Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2013 July 31

July 31
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on July 31, 2013.

Org



 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was dabify (ORG (disambiguation) moved to Org). --BDD (talk) 16:04, 26 August 2013 (UTC)


 * → Organization (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

I re-targeted from Open Rights Group to Organization (and redirect hatnote pointing to DAB org (disambiguation) -> ORG (disambiguation)). It has had several targets, and there's no obvious target, so discussion required for retarget possibly to the DAB. Widefox ; talk 13:10, 31 July 2013 (UTC)


 * 0_o Just do the obvious and make it a dab, surely – you don't need an RFD for that. – David Gerard (talk) 13:18, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅ (rationale was to settle for now and future debate) Widefox ; talk 14:00, 31 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Disambiguate (or "dabify", as some would say). There is no need for such a blunt redirection.&emsp;&mdash;  | J  ~  Pæst  | &#8202; 01:14, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
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Diego the Dreadful



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 * The result of the discussion was delete all that are not mentioned in the target article. JohnCD (talk) 16:45, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Character does not exist in the list of characters in the destination article and should never have been created. —Prhartcom  (talk)  11:20, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
 * → List of The Adventures of Tintin characters (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 *  → List of The Adventures of Tintin characters (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * → List of The Adventures of Tintin characters (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * → List of The Adventures of Tintin characters (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 *  → List of The Adventures of Tintin characters (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * → List of The Adventures of Tintin characters (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * → List of The Adventures of Tintin characters (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * → List of The Adventures of Tintin characters (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * → List of The Adventures of Tintin characters (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 *  → List of The Adventures of Tintin characters (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * → List of The Adventures of Tintin characters (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * → List of The Adventures of Tintin characters (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * Delete. Per nom. All minor characters at best. –  Paine Ellsworth   C LIMAX ! 15:10, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete all as not mentioned in the target, except for Sani-Cola and Ranko the Ape which are, albeit briefly (sorry). Siuenti (talk) 19:30, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
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Template:Signature



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 * The result of the discussion was Keep. Ruslik_ Zero 08:54, 1 September 2013 (UTC)


 * → Template:4~ (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

Not needed, only 14 transluctions, suppressed by a new template, can be safely delinked and deleted. Rezonansowy (talk &bull;&#32; contribs) 04:17, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep. Delete. I'm even hard pressed to understand the usefulness of the main template, 4~. It must be substituted, so one must type {{subst:4~}} rather than just  .  The /doc page sez that usage of this template "can lead to clearer template code", but does not explain further why the main template is better than it would be to type four tildes or to click on them under the edit screen.  Any enlightenment? –   Paine Ellsworth   C LIMAX ! 15:35, 31 July 2013 (UTC) These should be kept as usable and harmless alternatives to 4~...
 * I just checked for similar redirects to 4~ and found:
 * Are we prepared to delete these, too? (Please keep in mind that these all are supposed to be substituted, therefore they cannot be judged by the number of transclusions.  The fewer of those the better.) –   Paine Ellsworth   C LIMAX ! 11:39, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Are we prepared to delete these, too? (Please keep in mind that these all are supposed to be substituted, therefore they cannot be judged by the number of transclusions.  The fewer of those the better.) –   Paine Ellsworth   C LIMAX ! 11:39, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Are we prepared to delete these, too? (Please keep in mind that these all are supposed to be substituted, therefore they cannot be judged by the number of transclusions.  The fewer of those the better.) –   Paine Ellsworth   C LIMAX ! 11:39, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Are we prepared to delete these, too? (Please keep in mind that these all are supposed to be substituted, therefore they cannot be judged by the number of transclusions.  The fewer of those the better.) –   Paine Ellsworth   <b style="font-size:x-small; color:blue;">C LIMAX !</b> 11:39, 3 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment. Some or all of those 14 transclusions may have been incorrectly typed in, as even the redirect must be substituted. –  Paine Ellsworth   <b style="font-size:x-small; color:blue;">C LIMAX !</b> 16:58, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
 * A cursory check of those 14 transclusions shows that some have used it in templates, for example, Amherst edit-a-thon, and some just use it to help others on their talk pages, for example, on this talk page. The talk page helpers appear to know that transcluding this template produces only the four tildes and no signature.  The UMass Amhurst people may not realize that their template, when placed on a talk page, will not produce the placers's signature, but only the four tildes as on this talk page.  Small mess, I'd say. –   Paine Ellsworth   <b style="font-size:x-small; color:blue;">C LIMAX !</b> 17:59, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
 * All 14 transclusions have been removed and replaced with appropriate code. –  Paine Ellsworth   <b style="font-size:x-small; color:blue;">C LIMAX !</b> 10:00, 3 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment I've fixed the problem, and it now works fine: -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 04:34, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
 * So sorry – that didn't fix anything. None of my examples above were changed.  Also, I had to restore the Rfd tag above the Redirect code so those who use the redirect will have a better chance to know about this discussion and maybe participate. –   Paine Ellsworth   <b style="font-size:x-small; color:blue;">C LIMAX !</b> 21:41, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
 * My change did not touch the RFD template, it was where it was, and it did fix the substitution problem, since this template is supposed to be substituted to work properly, and it would not, without the fix I put in it. As a subst only template, this should work being substed, so the ONLYINCLUDE section handled that problem. The incorrect transclusions are a just tranclusions of a template that should be substituted, the same as any other. -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 04:53, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The person who moved the RFD tag was not myself -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 04:58, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but it still isn't fixed. #1 - the documentation you added will not show up on a "live" redirect.  Proof is seen at this test redirect where I've added the doc text you put on this redirect, copied and pasted.  No text is allowed yet on redirects.  If you'd like to see text on redirects, then add your 2 cents at .  That's a controversy that's been ongoing for a long time.  #2 - the problem is not that this redirect works incorrectly, so the redirect itself does not have to be fixed.  It works just fine when it's substituted without your safesub code.  No, the problem is with how it is used.  So I'm afraid your added code does nothing to fix the mess I described.  If this template is kept, then the incorrect transcluded usage on talk pages will return to what it was, and its incorrect transclusions in templates will also return to what they were.  I'm afraid your added code to this redirect changes nothing.  This redirect works just fine and installs a signature when substituted like it's supposed to, and will yield only four tildes, , when transcluded.  And I certainly didn't mean to sound as if I thought you had moved the Rfd template.  Very sorry if that's how it came across, because I saw in the history "whodunnit".  Joys! –   Paine Ellsworth   <b style="font-size:x-small; color:blue;">C LIMAX !</b> 05:33, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
 * It seemed to be working when I tested it when I implemented it, and on a different wiki running MediaWiki as well. The ONLYINCLUDE should make it work. Argh. (I first did this a few MediaWiki versions ago, when at that time, it worked perfectly well) I suppose the change needs to be implemented at the 4~ template now, as the redirect coding for templates is now bypassing the ONLYINCLUDE coding, where a few versions ago it did not. -- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 06:48, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Here is another test for you: I've copied your subcode to another of my subpages, User:Paine Ellsworth/Unprintworthy-sandbox, along with the 4~ target.  After the first bullet below, I have transcluded that page, and after the second bullet I have substituted that page...
 * –  Paine Ellsworth   <b style="font-size:x-small; color:blue;">C LIMAX !</b> 07:57, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Now, I'm going to do the same thing with yet another of my subpages, User:Paine Ellsworth/Unprintworthy, only this time there is no "safe" code. The next bullet is that page transcluded, the bullet after that is that page substituted...
 * –  Paine Ellsworth   <b style="font-size:x-small; color:blue;">C LIMAX !</b> 07:57, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I really don't see that your code makes any difference on a "live" redirect. Hopefully, this proves it to you. –   Paine Ellsworth   <b style="font-size:x-small; color:blue;">C LIMAX !</b> 07:57, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
 * –  Paine Ellsworth   <b style="font-size:x-small; color:blue;">C LIMAX !</b> 07:57, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I really don't see that your code makes any difference on a "live" redirect. Hopefully, this proves it to you. –   Paine Ellsworth   <b style="font-size:x-small; color:blue;">C LIMAX !</b> 07:57, 3 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Good job, though, on the Amherst template! It will work with or without the subst. code on the redirect. –   Paine Ellsworth   <b style="font-size:x-small; color:blue;">C LIMAX !</b> 08:33, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
 * (I have updated the /doc page with your fix.) –  Paine Ellsworth   <b style="font-size:x-small; color:blue;">C LIMAX !</b> 20:28, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
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List of songs recorde by Fuck the Facts
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. JohnCD (talk) 16:50, 10 August 2013 (UTC)


 * → List of songs recorded by Fuck the Facts (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

Accident left from when page was moved. <span style="font-family: Verdana, monospace;letter-spacing:1px;color:#ECCA61;padding-left:5px;">Beerest355 Talk 01:55, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete. Implausible typo. –  Paine Ellsworth   <b style="font-size:x-small; color:blue;">C LIMAX !</b> 15:22, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep - has occasional hits, so is more useful than useless - David Gerard (talk) 22:07, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment: This is not a valid reason to keep a redirect. The only reason it has had a handful of searches is because of search autofill. Keeping such mistakes is pointless.&emsp;&mdash;  | J  ~  Pæst  | &#8202; 01:11, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete – Implausible typo.-- Laun  chba  ller  20:24, 1 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete immediately; keeping such an obvious typo (and completely unlikely, irrelevant search term) as a redirect is downright nonsensical. Wikipedia is consistent.&emsp;&mdash;  | J  ~  Pæst  | &#8202; 00:27, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
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