Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2013 May 21

May 21
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on May 21, 2013

Redirects of Harry Potter characters from post-wedding names



 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was Keep.  Fleur Weasley lacks a certain je ne sais quoi, though. ~  Amory ( u  •  t  •  c ) 06:17, 5 June 2013 (UTC)


 * → Hermione Granger (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * → Dumbledore's Army (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * → Dumbledore's Army (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * → Order of the Phoenix (fiction) (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * → Order of the Phoenix (fiction) (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

The characters are never reffered to by these last names in the Harry Potter books; in fact, the last one is reffered to by her old last name after she got married. Even in the real world, some women don't change their last name when they get married; there is no reason to think it's any different in the world of Harry Potter; and with the exception of Ginny, there is no hint in the books that any one of these women did, in fact, change their last names. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 13:07, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep all. Redirects are cheap, these are all used, point to the correct targets and aren't in the way of anything else. No reason to delete them. Thryduulf (talk) 15:02, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep all p  b  p  20:44, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep Essentially harmless, and no real potential for ambiguity. --BDD (talk) 17:52, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
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Southern nationalism



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 * The result of the discussion was delete, without prejudice toward dabifying. Be bold. --BDD (talk) 17:51, 3 June 2013 (UTC)


 * → Confederate States of America (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

Southern nationalism is not the same thing as the Confederacy, or as supporting the Confederacy. In America today, the primary use of the term would probably be to refer to modern-day Southern nationalism, rather then nationalistic support of the Confederacy during the Civil War.

That's just in America, other countries may well have "southern nationalism" of their own. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 13:01, 21 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete or disambiguate this is clear US-history bias, not considering more modern US south nationalism, or Bolivarism, etc. -- 65.94.76.126 (talk) 08:05, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete/recreate as disambig per 65.94.76.126.-- Brainy J  (previously Atlantima) ~ ✿ ~ ( talk ) 18:37, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Create an article This is definitely a topic with a lot of information on it, both antebellum and postbellum, from the Dukes of Hazzard to the writings of John C. Calhoun  p  b  p  20:45, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
 * But the article created should be called Southern nationalism in the United States Ego White Tray (talk) 16:02, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
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Harry's Wife



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 17:49, 3 June 2013 (UTC)


 * → Dumbledore's Army (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

There are so many "Harry"'s this title could be referring to - there is no reason one would expect this title to be used for Harry Potter (character), not the many real and fictional people by this name. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 12:51, 21 May 2013 (UTC)
 * "Harry's Wife" is a song by Eric Bogle, but there seems to be no article that mentions this, so delete. TimBentley (talk) 00:16, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete per above -- 65.94.76.126 (talk) 08:04, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete this redirect is vague since there are lots of notable Harry's aside from HP that has a wife. A dab would be too unwieldy.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 02:22, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
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Revolutionary War



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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus to delete.  There were several strong arguments to retarget but no clear consensus on the best target.  I note that the current target already includes several hatnotes to two of the proposed alternatives listed below so readers will fairly quickly find what they're looking for either way.  In the meantime, the retargetting debate can continue on the redirect's Talk page.  Or be bold and change it as long as the new target is also appropriately hatnoted.  Rossami (talk) 21:01, 11 July 2013 (UTC)


 * → American Revolutionary War (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

Would "American Revolutionary War" really be the primary topic? Wouldn't this be better as a disambig or a redirect to Revolution? Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 12:33, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps ARW is not the proper redir, but revolution certainly isn't. People looking for information on revolutionary wars will not be looking for information about the industrial revolution. Maury Markowitz (talk) 12:53, 21 May 2013 (UTC) (ps. thanks for the note on my talk page, I never would have seen this otherwise!)


 * This should be a disambiguation page, there are plenty of examples that fit the description. Reiftyr (talk) 17:42, 21 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete or disambiguate this is clear US bias -- 65.94.76.126 (talk) 08:04, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Note Revolutionary war also redirects to American Revolutionary War. Revolutionary wars redirects to Revolution. Revolutionary Wars is an existing dab page (with only two entries, one of them ARW). It seems likely all four should go to the same place... Sideways713 (talk) 13:23, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Revolution.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 02:21, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep. Google books and scholar results show that the clear primary topic for "Revolutionary War" (singular) is the American war, and that the clear primary topic for "Revolutionary Wars" (plural) are the French wars. The two articles should link to each other with hatnotes and, in the absence of a separate article about the general concept, Revolution and/or List of revolutions and rebellions. Almost every armed revolution is sometimes known as a revolutionary war so a separate dab page would substantially duplicate the list article. Thryduulf (talk) 13:06, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Retarget to List of revolutions and rebellions, since any revolution can be called a revolutionary war. Ego White Tray (talk) 16:04, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep per Thryduulf, but retarget Revolutionary war to List of revolutions and rebellions per Ego White Tray. Whether this is given as a proper noun or not matters. --BDD (talk) 17:48, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
 * The google searches are case insensitive, so the primary topic for "revolutionary war" (singular) in any capitalisation is clearly the American war. I do agree that both War and war forms should point to the same place, but this should be the American war that most people will be looking for - those wanting other wars an use the hatnote to the list.Thryduulf (talk) 22:48, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Retarget to List of revolutions and rebellions. Hawkeye7 (talk) 23:02, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep, possibly without retargeting. Its a bit like War of independence, but retargeting may also cause confusion. We are talking about [The] Revolutionary War, and it is certainly often used as such for the American Revolutionary War. And less so for other Revolutionary Wars. If I enter Wagner, I get Richard Wagner, and not a list of Wagners. Each solution has its merit. JMK (talk) 16:12, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
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