Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2013 October 20

October 20
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on October 20, 2013.

Garfield and Odie



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 * The result of the discussion was keep. WJBscribe (talk) 23:58, 29 October 2013 (UTC)


 * → Garfield (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

There are two likely topics for this - Garfield (character) and Odie. Since this is ambiguous and there is no clear topic, it should be delete.  Taylor Trescott  - my talk + my edits 20:55, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep and Refine target to Garfield where the reader will find information on both characters and their inter-relationship. A former article, this title is over 8 years old and deleting is likely to break external links which we should avoid when there is a sensible alternative - WP:RFD point 4. The Whispering Wind (talk) 21:55, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep and refine per TWW. --BDD (talk) 23:32, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
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აშშ



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 * The result of the discussion was delete all except 6 in respect of which there was no consensus - the remainder can be relisted for further discussion if necessary. WJBscribe (talk) 23:10, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Delete all of these. The redirects are in Georgian but their targets are not about Georgia. Gorobay (talk) 13:34, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
 * → United States (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 *  → Apache (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 *  → Arabic language (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 *  → Arizona (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 *  → Adolf Hitler (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 *  → Gazprom (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 *  → Dmitry Medvedev (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 *  → Vladimir Putin (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 *  → NASA (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 *  → NASCAR (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 *  → Josip Broz Tito (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 *  → Roman Empire (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * <span id="ბედუინი"> → Bedouin (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * <span id="ბელარუსები"> → Belarusians (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * <span id="გლადიატორი (ფილმი)"> → Gladiator (2000 film) (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * <span id="ელისაბედ მეორე"> → Elizabeth II (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * <span id="გოლფი"> → Golf (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * <span id="ვესპასიანე"> → Vespasian (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * <span id="ინდაური"> → Turkey (bird) (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * <span id="ინგლისი"> → England (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * <span id="კანადა"> → Canada (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * <span id="ირლანდია"> → Ireland (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * <span id="კოლორადო"> → Colorado (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * <span id="კომოდუსი"> → Commodus (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * <span id="მექსიკა"> → Mexico (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * <span id="პეტრე პირველი"> → Peter the Great (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * <span id="ჟენევა"> → Geneva (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * <span id="რუსები"> → Russians (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * <span id="რუსული ენა"> → Russian language (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * <span id="ტიტუსი"> → Titus (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * <span id="უკრაინა"> → Ukraine (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * <span id="უკრაინელები"> → Ukrainians (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * <span id="შოტლანდია"> → Scotland (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * <span id="ცენტურიონი"> → Centurion (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * <span id="ჰავაი"> → Hawaii (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * Delete Not this again... see Redirects for discussion/Log/2012 August 25 and such. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 15:26, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete all - Insufficient linkage with the language. The Whispering Wind (talk) 16:48, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep the redirects directly pertaining to Russia: Putin, Medvedev, Russians, Russian language, Gazprom, and Peter the Great. (Someone tell me if I missed any, please.) Georgia was part of the Russian empire for 117 years, and then part of the USSR for another 70. In my opinion, this, in addition to the simple fact that the countries share a border, means there is enough of a tie between the Georgian language and Russian history for these redirects to be plausible. Delete the rest. — PinkAmpers  &#38;  <sup style="color:#000;">( Je vous invite à me parler )  02:26, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete most, but keep those identified by PinkAmpersand. Georgian was indeed one of the languages of the Soviet Union, and had strong ties to Russia in the pre-Soviet period anyway. --BDD (talk) 23:54, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Not to mention that the most famous/infamous Soviet ruler was Georgian. Ego White Tray (talk) 03:37, 24 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment - Georgia has been independent for around 22 years - we are dealing with the here and now. The Whispering Wind (talk) 01:56, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
 * WP:NOTTEMP doesn't apply precisely, but the spirit of it does. We try to edit independent of a topic's present importance. You wouldn't delete any R from historic name and its ilk simply because the terms are dated, would you? --BDD (talk) 03:18, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Very good point and I have struck my comment. However, I still think that the link is too tangenial. If one of the redirects was იოსებ სტალინის then that would be a keep, obviously. The Whispering Wind (talk) 13:50, 24 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete all, including the ones pertaining to Russia. This is an English Wikipedia, and such redirects are quite implausible target (really, which rational person would expect to find anything directly using a foreign-script search term? Even then, Special:Search would provide any hits within article bodies). We can't keep a redirect from every tangentially related language. No such user (talk) 07:28, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
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Geir Gundersen
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 * The result of the discussion was keep. <strong style="font-variant:small-caps">WJBscribe (talk) 00:01, 30 October 2013 (UTC)


 * → So You Think You Can Dance Scandinavia (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

Confusing redirect that seems unnecessary - better to leave red links. Avilena (talk) 07:04, 20 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Refine to So You Think You Can Dance Scandinavia. We routinely redirect to contestant lists for reality shows, and performance shows were the contestants do not have notability for an independent article. -- Whpq (talk) 21:24, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep and refine per Whpq. --BDD (talk) 19:22, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep and refine target. Previously deleted at AfD so unless since has been able to establish notability, this seems normal. On the Norwegian Wikipedia he doesn't have a page (only a theologian with the same name) so notability is not looking promising and I see no merit in a red link. The Whispering Wind (talk) 20:23, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
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Dancers from Let&#39;s Dance
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 * The result of the discussion was keep. <strong style="font-variant:small-caps">WJBscribe (talk) 00:01, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Dancers who should not only be associated with one season of a TV show. Better to leave red links. (Others that could have been nominated: Ludwig Jerkander, Anders Jacobson, Helena Fransson, Daniel da Silva (dancer), Björn Törnblom). Avilena (talk) 07:53, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
 * → Let& (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * → Let& (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * → Let's Dance 2012 (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * → Let's Dance 2011 (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * → Let's Dance 2012 (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * → Let's Dance 2011 (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * → Let's Dance 2011 (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * → Let's Dance 2010 (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * → Let's Dance 2011 (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * → Let's Dance 2011 (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * <span id="Jonathan Näslund"> → Let's Dance 2011 (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * → Let's Dance 2011 (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * → Let's Dance 2011 (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * Keep This is a pretty typical treatment for reality show contestants. They can still be overwritten with articles if necessary, but for many of them, WP:BLP1E will apply and their primary claim to notability will continue to be their participation in this show. --BDD (talk) 23:56, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep all. It would require extensive research to establish if any are separately notable. However, if any prove to be then a page can be written on top of the redirect. The Whispering Wind (talk) 20:44, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
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