Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2013 October 9

October 9
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on October 9, 2013.

Сер Алекс Фергусон



 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was Delete. Ruslik_ Zero 19:11, 21 October 2013 (UTC)


 * → Alex Ferguson (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

There's no connection between Sir Alex Ferguson and the Russian language to merit this redirect. BDD (talk) 23:19, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete - unless Sir Alex has some hitherto unknown Russian ancestry(!) this term lacks the necessary linkage with Russia to justify being kept. The Whispering Wind (talk) 23:48, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
 * удалять (delete). --B2C 01:07, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom-- Lenticel ( talk ) 03:59, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete no ties between Fergie and Russian, and WP:NOTDIC Wikipedia is not a transcription dictionary -- 76.65.131.217 (talk) 04:38, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete. Besides what's said above, this is a typo: Russian spells his last name Фергюсон (with a ю, not with a у), and the same is true of all other Cyrillic-written languages that appear in the "other languages" section of his article.  Nyttend (talk) 18:42, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
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Barrycade



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 * The result of the discussion was Retarget both to Barricade. Ruslik_ Zero 19:40, 26 October 2013 (UTC)


 * → United States federal government shutdown of 2013 (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * → United States federal government shutdown of 2013 (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

Unnecessary, derogatory neologism with no evidence of significant usage outside small subset of conservative media. Tantamount to having an "Obummer" or "Obamaphone" redirect - nobody uses those terms outside a small partisan bubble. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 22:00, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep - actually the use of this term is spreading, see here (albeit hyphenated) and The Guardian is a highly reliable, left of centre newspaper. Redirects are purely search aids so though the term may be derogatory that is not a reason for deletion - see WP:RNEUTRAL. It could be argued that this term doesn't appear in the article but a search for the word brings up a reference that explains its usage. The Whispering Wind (talk) 22:47, 9 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Weak keep. I created this because the plural Barrycades already existed and a plural redirect without a singular one is not very useful. I think both redirects are useful, because this is the current meme for various political opponents of the current government shutdown and that makes it a likely search term. (I would be fine with an "Obamaphone" redirect, too for the same reason. Likewise similar redirects from anti-Republican memes, if they point to neutral articles.) On the other hand, I do acknowledge that such redirects do have downsides; if consensus here is to delete, I won't lose any sleep. Either way, the decision should extend to the plural Barrycades as well. Miscellaneous user (talk) 13:31, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I've added Barrycades to this nomination. --BDD (talk) 16:21, 10 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Barricade as an R from typo and add an entry for the 2013 shutdown thing at Barricade (disambiguation) -- 76.65.131.217 (talk) 04:39, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Retarget per IP. Y and I are only two apart on a standard keyboard, and an English-language learner might make such a mistake too. Putting the political use on a dab allows us some space to clearly acknowledge that the term is a pejorative. --BDD (talk) 05:25, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Retarget per IP and BDD. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 22:08, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment - sorry but I don't see a policy basis for the retarget. In particular, the fact that this word is pejorative is not relevant - WP:RNEUTRAL. Someone looking for the political meaning would be baffled why they were taken to 'Barricade' and there has been no prior use of this redirect which shows it is not a plausible typo. However, as a compromise I wouldn't object to it being added to Barricade (disambiguation) and a retarget straight to Barricade (disambiguation) where the reader would see the word immediately. The Whispering Wind (talk) 23:37, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
 * It's true, this could be kept due to RNEUTRAL, but that doesn't necessarily mean that that's the best course of action. And there are plenty of plausible typos that don't exist as redirects—I don't think it's accurate to say such and such is or is not plausible simply based on the existence (or not) of a redirect. --BDD (talk) 23:43, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah, I should have explained better. The evidence for lack of plausibility is that the stats for the months before October show zero hits (I could very well be wrong but my understanding is that these stats show attempts to use a search term even if it wasn't in existence at the time). In any case, if we are to retarget, to assist readers we should aim at taking them as quickly as possible to their likely destination. The Whispering Wind (talk) 00:06, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I think I'm mostly just skeptical that this term will have any legs once the government shutdown ends. That's not a very good reason to delete, but it might be reason enough to treat it with a grain of salt. --BDD (talk) 08:47, 12 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Retarget, largely because of BDD's comment right above mine. Perhaps it right now is most commonly used in reference to the current shutdown, but I strongly doubt that it will retain this meaning, and before long it will largely be used by typo-committers and people who misremember the spelling of "barricade".  We can always retarget it if future years retain "Barrycade" for the current shutdown.  Nyttend (talk) 18:38, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Retarget – Per BDD and Nyttend. Egsan Bacon (talk) 22:58, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete. The term is not mentioned in the target article, apart from in references, so it shouldn't be on a disambiguation page. Otherwise, not a likely typo. Peter&#160;James (talk) 20:52, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
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Leroy Barnes/Archive1



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 * The result of the discussion was Delete. Ruslik_ Zero 19:37, 26 October 2013 (UTC)


 * → Nicky Barnes (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

I would've thought this would be uncontroversial, but it's had a speedy declined before. This is the first time I've ever seen an archive page with a corresponding "article," and I'm at a loss trying to think of any value to it. It's certainly not a likely search term. (Please note that Leroy Barnes was recently moved to Nicky Barnes, hence the titling discrepancy.) BDD (talk) 18:47, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment - certainly a curiosity. Originally this was a redirect to Leroy Barnes. The creator hasn't been on for a week or two but if they return in time it will be interesting to hear from them why it was created. On the one hand it is harmless, on the other apparently pointless. Either way, I am actually seeing no policy grounds on which we can delete it here, certainly not WP:RFD. The Whispering Wind (talk) 20:20, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I think it meets several of those criteria. #2: The redirect appears to go to an archival subpage, but it doesn't. #8: No one is going to search for the subject under "Leroy Barnes/Archive," so "novel or obscure synonym" is giving this redirect too much credit if anything. I would also say #5, but that's more subjective. --BDD (talk) 23:22, 9 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete, completely pointless. I declined it in 2012 because it's not the situation for which G6 is intended.  Nyttend (talk) 01:08, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete, pointless and I am persuaded it meets WP:RFD. The Whispering Wind (talk) 01:36, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
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The Terrible Towel



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 * The result of the discussion was speedy closed as wrong forum. Since db-move has been declined this should now go to WP:RM/CM where it can get a full discussion. I have alerted the nominator. NAC. The Whispering Wind (talk) 13:35, 9 October 2013 (UTC)


 * → Terrible Towel (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

Delete The Terrible Towel to make room for Terrible Towel. I tried to do this under db-move but was denied because typical practice is to avoid using an Article (grammar) for the title of articles (WP:NOUN).

However, WP:NOUN allows for "The" when it's "part of a proper name" and that's clearly the case. First, see all of the pictures of the towels at Commons:Category:Terrible Towel. Second, see the official trademark filing:. GrapedApe (talk) 04:02, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep the article at Terrible Towel. Reading the article text and referring to WP:THE seems to me to indicate "The" is best not in the title. The running text frequently and appropriately uses "the" in lower case or omits the word completely. Thincat (talk) 09:34, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
 * The use in the article is also incorrect, and I would fix it once the article is moved.--GrapedApe (talk) 11:28, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
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