Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2013 September 21

September 21
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on September 21, 2013.

Owl city wish you were here



 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was  no consensus. WJBscribe (talk) 23:00, 26 October 2013 (UTC)


 * → Vanilla Twilight (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

I believe this redirect should be deleted. I believe this violates WP:PROMOTION as the only purpose I see for this redirect is for those who know the lyrics to the song, know it's by Owl City, but don't know the name of the song. Anyone coming to Wikipedia for an article on the song should already be aware of its name, and anyone who wants to find out the name of the song can perform an internet search. Also, there has never been any significant mention of the song by this name by the artist in question, so it's only serving to promote the song. Wizoomer95 (talk) 20:13, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep - nominator says "the only purpose I see for this redirect is for those who know the lyrics to the song, know it's by Owl City, but don't know the name of the song.". Quite! This is exactly one of the reasons for having a redirect. Someone has heard a snatch of a song and wants to find out more about it. Being not technically accurate is not a factor nor is there any reason why we should expect a reader to search the Internet when we can readilly provide the answer. The Whispering Wind (talk) 21:26, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. It's not our job to play Google. And what an atrocious precedent this would set. --BDD (talk) 16:34, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep. Sorry, BDD, but this atrocious precedent has already been set and used thousands of times. This is, as "Double Shot" explained, a good search term and should be kept per WP:RFD#KEEP K3. ("WW" call sign is "Whiskey-Whiskey", hence "Double Shot") –   Paine Ellsworth   C LIMAX ! 17:02, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah? What other redirects do we have consisting of a singer/band name and some random lyrics from the song? --BDD (talk) 22:53, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Trick question?  I don't think anybody could answer that question.  Could be a few hundred or could be just a few, period.  Not for anyting, but how is that relevant?  It's still a good K3 search term. –   Paine Ellsworth   C LIMAX ! 02:54, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
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Imber Massacre



 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was Keep. Ruslik_ Zero 19:25, 8 October 2013 (UTC)


 * → Imber friendly fire incident (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

Delete - no evidence of this name. Peter&#160;James (talk) 11:39, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep. Not hurting anything: it's not going to produce confusion with anything else, it's not impairing searches for anything else, it's not offensive, it's not senseless (e.g. redirecting apple to orange), it's not spammy, it's not a cross-namespace redirect, it's a working redirect, it's not impeding a pagemove, and it's plainly on the same topic, so we wouldn't want to make it a redlink in order to encourage creation of a separate article.  On top of all of those reasons not to delete, we have the simple fact that the page was created a few days ago under this title.  Someone obviously believes that this is a reasonable search term for the incident (why would you create it at this title if you don't think people will look for it here?), and the presence of the redirect indeed will aid searchers who have heard somewhat about the incident but don't know where our article is located.  Nyttend (talk) 14:16, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment This redirect (and the article it links to) were created by a sockpuppet of a community banned user. - The Bushranger One ping only 18:01, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Weak keep and tag with R from move and R from incorrect name. This was certainly not a massacre, and I'm half inclined to just call this a G5. But previous titles should be kept except in extraordinary circumstances. If this were a BLP, I might say delete, but as is, I'm gritting my teeth and saying keep. --BDD (talk) 16:33, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
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Frank H. Mason House



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 * The result of the discussion was Delete. Per WP:REDLINK. Ruslik_ Zero 10:32, 8 October 2013 (UTC)


 * → Frank Mason Raymond House (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * → Talk:Frank Mason Raymond House (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

Delete. In the suburbs of Akron, Ohio are two grand houses named for their original inhabitants, one of whom was a namesake and ancestor of the other. Both of them are listed on the National Register of Historic Places, both were apparently part of the same estate, and both even feature somewhat-similar architectural styles. Someone created an article about the Raymond House, but got confused and gave the article the name of the Mason House; eventually this got discovered, and the article was moved, but we still have a confusing situation. As the 2010 comment at Talk:Frank Mason Raymond House notes, the current situation makes it seem as if there are two separate names for the same place, when really they're two separate names for two separate but related places. This is an excellent parallel to the situation described at WP:RFD #2, which says that a redirect from Adam B. Smith to Andrew B. Smith (based on a mistake) should be deleted because it would cause confusion. Here, too, we have confusion caused by similar names, and just as nobody will intentionally call Andrew Smith "Adam", nobody will intentionally call the Mason House the "Raymond House". On top of all that, the final point of WP:RFD#DELETE is also relevant: we can have separate articles on the two houses, and the Raymond House article quite properly doesn't have much substantive information on the Mason House, so it is better that the Mason House name be a redlink. I would be willing to write the Mason House article myself, but I don't have the necessary sources. Nyttend (talk) 02:43, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Delete. Totally confounding redirects – as per Nyttend, plonk 'em! –   Paine Ellsworth   C LIMAX ! 17:25, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Weak keep and tag with R from move, R from incorrect name, and R with possibilities. The nominator makes good points, but this is a previous name of the page. Inform WikiProjects Ohio and NRHP of the situation. The best outcome is that this is overwritten with an article on the actual Frank H. Mason House, but until then, I'd rather err on the side of caution with a previous page name, incorrect though it was. --BDD (talk) 16:41, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 * BDD — those tags aren't for this kind of situation. R from move is for things such as Imber Massacre (assuming it gets kept above), when we simply choose a different title.  R from incorrect name is for things such as Brian Mulrooney instead of Brian Mulroney.  R with possibilities is something such as a neighborhood that's redirected to its city, since we could expand it later.  This is a completely different topic, and the page never should have had this name in the first place.  Nyttend (talk) 04:42, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Argh. Browser ate my more eloquent response, so I'll just give a quick rundown of why each of those tags would be appropriate here:
 * R from move: This is for any redirect "that results when a page is moved/renamed." It doesn't matter why the page was moved.
 * R from incorrect name: "Frank H. Mason House" is not the name of the Frank Mason Raymond House. This is pretty self-evident.
 * R with possibilities: This isn't like Obama, Barack, a cross-reference that should remain as is. Ideally this should be overwritten with an article, specifically on the actual Frank H. Mason House. --BDD (talk) 21:42, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
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