Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 April 23

April 23
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on April 23, 2014.

Catacombs of New York City



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 * The result of the discussion was speedy delete per request of sole author. —  Scott  •  talk  14:30, 24 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Catacombs of New York City → New York City Subway (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

This is an implausible redirect, as no one ever refers to the subway as "catacombs". (I made the page myself accidentally, but I still wanted to take this here.) Epicgenius (talk) 23:54, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom; this is not about the sewers of NYC, nor the water tunnels where sandhogs work ; which in other locations might be called catacombs -- 65.94.43.240 (talk) 05:25, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
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Angela Trimbur



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 16:52, 30 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Angela Trimbur → Road Rules: X-Treme (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

Target only has trivial information about this actress: Age 22 (that was in 2004, she is currently 32), from Los Angeles. A search on shows mention in 13 articles, many of them for better known works. When she has no biography, readers are better served by search results. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:11, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Delete per nom. Let the search engine handle it. Si Trew (talk) 06:09, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, please delete it. Hopefully someone will find the time to create an article about one of the more notable Angela Trimburs! Plastikspork ―Œ (talk)  20:52, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
 * All mentions in Wikipedia are about her and she is probably the only notable or possibly notable person by that name. The problem is that the redirect target doesn't contain significant info, and the presense of a redirect makes it harder to find the search results. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:28, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
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Otaria (Pokemon)



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. Involved close given the backlog and unanimous consensus after a week and a half of listing. --BDD (talk) 18:00, 5 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Otaria (Pokemon) → List of Pokémon (52–101) (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

This is apparently the name of Seel, a Pokémon, in French. Since Pokémon has no particular connection with French, this should be an easy WP:FORRED deletion. Unless we systematically create redirects from foreign-language names of Pokémon for some reason... --BDD (talk) 22:38, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh dear. Looking over what links to the same place, it indeed seems that there are many redirects from foreign names of Pokémon. While the Japanese forms seem acceptable, the others are fancruft if I've ever seen it—and for what it's worth, I do consider myself a Pokémon fan. But we are not Bulbapedia (which, incidentally, is a good source for such information). So let's consider this a test case. If there's consensus to delete, I'll work on compiling a list of such redirects and bring them up as a batch. --BDD (talk) 22:55, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per BDD. The Japanese ones should stay as that is the original language, but other foreign-language ones should go per WP:FORRED. Si Trew (talk) 06:14, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
 * delete per nom. If there are a lot redirects like this one floating around the wiki then perhaps we should coordinate with WikiProject Pokémon to plan on how to get rid of them.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 07:24, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I've left a notification at the project talk page. My thought was to compile them all at a user subpage of mine, refer to them in a second RfD, and if it's successful, I'll just go through and take care of them. Other admins can help out—with their help, I'll catch delete 'em all. --BDD (talk) 16:12, 24 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom, and concur with SimonTrew. —  Scott  •  talk  14:13, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete this is not the French Wiki so I see no reason reason to keep it or any of the non-Japanese names.--67.70.140.89 (talk) 03:45, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
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Template:WPCL
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Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius



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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius, which I just created. I suspect this will please everyone, but please let me know if that's not the case. --BDD (talk) 19:06, 12 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Kill them all let God sort them out → Arnaud Amalric (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * Kill 'em all; let God sort 'em out → Massacre at Béziers (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

Two redirects that are virtually the same but are targeted to different places. Later chroniclers reported that something akin to this phrase was uttered by Arnaud Amalric before the Massacre at Béziers, and this is mentioned in both articles. With that in mind, both redirects are good, but they really ought to be targeted to the same place. Should both go to Amalric's article, or both to the massacre article, or both to somewhere else? I don't particularly care which choice we pick. Nyttend (talk) 12:20, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
 * It doesn't really matter which to me, but they should point to the same place. Good find. --BDD (talk) 16:29, 15 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete. For way of comparison I found Let's Bring Em Home which doesn't have the apos, and in Bruce Springsteen with The Seeger Sessions Band Tour and We Shall Overcome: The Seeger Sessions is "Bring 'Em Home now" with the apos, and I often abbreviate "them" to "'em" which in speech is quicker but in typing come to think of it doesn't actually even save me a keystrike so I don't know why I do it. A quick Wiikipedia search (not external search engine search) for me shows it is about half and half so they are better deleted to let the search engine deal with it. Si Trew (talk) 03:59, 16 April 2014 (UTC):: A quick Wiikipedia search (not external search engine search) for me shows it is about half and half so they are better deleted to let the search engine deal with it. I have no idea why this was listed under Kill them, the Lord God knows who are the faithful (or "his own") which for me brings up on My Favourite Search Engine Massacre at Béziers at the first, and Joshua verses 1–12 here in the New International Version. Declaration of non-interest: I am not a Christian. Si Trew (talk) 03:59, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Why would we delete them? They're different forms of a well-known phrase often (mistakenly) associated with the incident, and both of them are good redirects.  And what does the beginning of Joshua have to do with it?  The only reason I came here was to get input on where they should be redirected, since both targets are good and it's silly to have them go different places.  The Latin title is the original phrase, FYI.  Nyttend (talk) 22:41, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I realise what the Latin phrase is. The thing is I find it obscure to bring rtwo edirects and list them under a different title from either of the redirects themselves. Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius doesn't exist, neither does kill them all, let God sort it out or kill 'em all, let God sort it out. So either they should be added or these deleted. I agree with you, though, if they stay they should go to the same target. Si Trew (talk) 07:23, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
 * As for Joshua, look at verse 24. This is what comes up on My Favourite Search Engine, as I said. I never said it was "right", I said what I got on a search. Si Trew (talk) 07:27, 17 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment I think this phrase is notable enough for its own article, so create a stub at one location, and redirect all variants to it. -- 65.94.77.36 (talk) 05:23, 19 April 2014 (UTC)
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 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 16:54, 23 April 2014 (UTC)


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Template:Wpcw



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 17:52, 4 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Template:Wpcw → Template:WikiProject Country Music (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

And again. Apparently created to replace Template:C&W/Template:C&w, both of which were likewise deleted here two weeks ago. —  Scott  •  talk  00:51, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
 *  Strong Keep  - See my response at Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2014_April_14. --Jax 0677 (talk) 01:45, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep . The main difference between this and the now-deleted C&W templates is that the consensus in the prior RfD was more aimed at the lack of any signifier that it was a WikiProject banner versus an articlespace template. I see no chance of confusion here, and "CW" in this context fairly clearly refers to "country & western music", which is under the umbrella of the Country Music project. Interestingly, keeping this and retargeting (per my recommendation in its own RfD above) may serve to resolve the WP:CM/CM/WPCM shortcut conflict that has been identified. —/M endaliv /2¢/Δ's/ 03:43, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
 * While I still think my prior rationale is the correct one, I recognize that there is an emerging consensus (both in the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Shortcut and in the recent RfDs concerning these redirects) that case variants of WikiProject banner template redirects should not be kept. Thus, Weak delete. —/M endaliv /2¢/Δ's/ 13:27, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete WPCW exists and is allcaps, as SHORTCUTs should be, this being a shortcut to a template. -- 70.24.250.235 (talk) 09:10, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:CHEAP, but Jax 0677, please consider not creating so many redirects of this type. Sideways713 (talk) 10:13, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Contradiction, Sideways. -DePiep (talk) 18:33, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
 * That's just RfD zen: it shouldn't've been created, but neither should it be deleted. (This is not necessarily my position on this redirect.) --BDD (talk) 17:52, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, BDD is right. When it comes to articles, there's no such thing as something that probably should not have been created, but - having been created - should not be deleted. The same is not true for redirects, though; that's half the point behind WP:RFD and WP:CHEAP. (Mind you, as this is a recently created redirect WP:RFD doesn't apply in this case.) Sideways713 (talk) 09:45, 22 April 2014 (UTC)


 * delete per 70.24. Frietjes (talk) 17:55, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete, too many meanings for CW. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 00:12, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
 *  Comment  - If one does not use the redirect themselves, it will not take up mental bandwidth. If the redirect with all capital letters points to one location, why would we want the redirect with all small letters to potentially point to something else?  If we delete this, then will we need to delete songs and albums as well?  Also, as of late, I have refrained from creating WikiProject redirects, and I plan to comply with the decision to be made at Wikipedia_talk:Shortcut. --Jax 0677 (talk) 01:31, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
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 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 16:44, 23 April 2014 (UTC)


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Genua



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 * The result of the discussion was procedural close. Please comment at the RM. --BDD (talk) 16:51, 23 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Genua → Discworld geography (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

There is a Move Request discussion at Talk:Genua_(disambiguation) which is in effect a proposal to delete this redirect (and to have a dab page at the base name). I'm not sure where the discussion ought to be taking place. Pam D  16:20, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Cita web
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Brian Oliver Producer)
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy delete per WP:CSD. Thryduulf (talk) 10:23, 23 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Brian Oliver Producer) → Brian Oliver (producer) (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

This is a redirect created through a page move. I doubt that it's useful, and it will probably just be confusing. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 02:08, 23 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Speedy delete G6 clearly a recent mistaken creation, which has since been corrected. -- 70.24.250.192 (talk) 08:43, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
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