Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 August 8

August 8
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on August 8, 2014.

North Carolina State



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 * The result of the discussion was keep and add hatnote. JohnCD (talk) 13:26, 16 August 2014 (UTC)


 * North Carolina State → North Carolina State University (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

I recommend this be turned into a disambiguation page that suggests either North Carolina or North Carolina State University. As it is currently, this redirect might be confusing, especially for people unfamiliar with United States universities. (I listed it here because I want to know what other editors think.) --gdfusion (talk&#124;contrib) 20:43, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

My new opinion, per the discussion, is Keep, adding hatnote. --gdfusion (talk&#124;contrib) 12:26, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep: as I gather, this wording is frequently used in reference to target and follows the common pattern. A hatnote may be used on target article, although I think that wikilink to the article about the state in the very first sentense of the article already does the job. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 23:30, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate per nom. The State of North Carolina, North Carolina State University; doesn't seem to be an article on the prosecutor's office/state district attorney/state attorney - 65.94.169.222 (talk) 05:43, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
 * DABs are not normally created for disambiguating between two articles. Please see WP:TWODAB for details. Also note, an article on the prosecutor's office/state district attorney/state attorney is ruled out of this hypothetic DAB by WP:PTM. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 07:53, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, they're not normal, but this might be a special case. From the page, "If neither of the two meanings is primary, then a normal disambiguation page is used at the base name." --gdfusion (talk&#124;contrib) 12:00, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Primary topic is pretty obvious here: the university is routinely called by this name, while this wording, particularily with capitalized "State" is not a typical reference to the state. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 12:52, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep per czarkoff, since this in reference to the state would be a typo —PC-XT+ 18:13, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep and add hatnote.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:33, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
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Portal:South Korea



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 * The result of the discussion was keep. A South Korea portal can be created without deleting this redirect. —Kusma (t·c) 15:05, 17 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Portal:South Korea → Portal:Korea (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

Misleading target, there is no SK portal, even though there is an portal for North Korea, so its best to delete it until someone can make a portal specifically dedicated to South Korea TheChampionMan1234 00:10, 22 July 2014 (UTC) 
 * Keep portals are not WP:REDLINK applicable. The Korean portal deals with both North and South, so is a useful navigation point. Writers of portals are supposedly experienced Wikipedians, so should be able to bypass the redirect and rewrite it into a portal if they feel they want to do so. -- 65.94.171.126 (talk) 05:25, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete as misleading, since it indicates that there is a portal specific to South Korea, when there is not. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 00:33, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep: this redirect adheres to naming scheme of portals and takes readers to the most relevant portal. I strongly disagree with idea that redirects from related topics and subtopics imply logical equity. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 16:02, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 20:28, 8 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep for now as a redirect to the most appropriate portal Wikipedia has, until something better comes along —PC-XT+ 02:36, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Red link to encourage portal creation, just like we would do with an article. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 02:25, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment you've already lodged an opinion on 23 July -- 65.94.169.222 (talk) 02:41, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep and comment I share the same reason as others who voted keep. Is somebody willing to create a portal for South Korea? &#9780; Jaewon &#91;Talk&#93; 15:10, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment I have notified WikiProject Korea about the discussion (Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Korea) - TheChampionMan1234 03:58, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
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WP:PAGENAME



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 * The result of the discussion was Withdrawn by nominator, judging by and . -- Red rose64 (talk) 22:30, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Re-target WP:PAGENAME to WP:Page name, considering the following:
 * WP:PAGENAME → Help:Magic words (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * WP:Page name has no redirect to its title, and I see very little choice other than wp:pagename.
 * While WP:PAGENAME goes to Magic words#variables, the shortcut WP:VAR is published, which is great. Magic words also provisions fifty-five other redirects for itself, which is great.
 * Page name is an important project page that needs that particular redirect to ease its use and encourage its use. It champions a consistent, concise, standard terminology featuring "pagename" (and "fullpagename" and "namespace") for future-wiki instructing and explaining day to day operations on template and admin page instruction. It is mature and stable, now for almost two years. OTOH, , (and many other variables) are important for specialists, but it seems to me that the average user experience is more with Wikipedia terminology on the many rendered pages than the few hidden MediaWiki variables, because there are probably tens of thousands of times more project readers than coders. For related rationales that supports lost "new admins" against "established" habits see
 * "anyone new"
 * "Help V. Project"
 * Searching just Project and Template namespaces for pagename shows that "magic" accounts for about 20% of the hits. So it would seem there's probably more usage of "page name" than "magic words" in the template and admin documentation.
 * Help:PAGENAME exists, but not balanced with WP:PAGENAME. &mdash; Cp i r al  Cpiral  04:38, 8 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Retarget per nom and place a hatnote (this redirect is here since 2007, and it may be burried down the edit histories of several talk pages). — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 23:26, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
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Ffox



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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to OMX Helsinki 25. —Kusma (t·c) 14:59, 17 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Ffox → Firefox (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

It is also an abbreviation for OMX Helsinki 25. Its not common as an abbreviation for Firefox. —— TheChampionMan1234 03:53, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep you can add a hatnote. -- 65.94.169.222 (talk) 08:03, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Retarget to OMX Helsinki 25: as abbreviation for Firefox this is so obscure that I doubt it requires any sort of hatnote. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 23:15, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Retarget to OMX Helsinki 25 per nom.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 03:31, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:MAKINGSHITUP



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. JohnCD (talk) 09:45, 15 August 2014 (UTC)


 * MAKINGSHITUP → No original research (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

Clearly a case of biting the newcomers. It was deleted at a previous RfD but subsequently got recreated. —— TheChampionMan1234 03:49, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * It actually was not recreate and is a separate redirect that existed before the other deletion and was simply overlooked. I don't think it is necessary and even if it was kept I think Criteria for speedy deletion would be a better choice though I still don't think it's needed.--67.68.22.129 (talk) 04:34, 8 August 2014 (UTC)


 * delete per WP:SHIT. Considering one of the meanings of shit, it officially conflates imagination and waste, as if to say "don't even think", like the unencyclopedia web site would. Delete unless our administration is faddish. &mdash;  Cp i r al  Cpiral  21:30, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:GRATUITOUS. Profanity should not be included for its own sake. --gdfusion (talk&#124;contrib) 22:20, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Weak delete: strictly speaking, I see no valid deletion rationale for this redirect, but nevertheless usage of such shortcuts never helps making discussion productive, particularily in discussions about including some content hanging on WP:OR border. FWIW Offensive material (which Cpiral and Gdfusion refer to under respective shortcuts) is content guideline, and does not apply to redirects in "Wikipedia" namespace. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 23:11, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
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Kobiecie



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 * The result of the discussion was delete all. JohnCD (talk) 13:21, 15 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Kobiecie → Woman (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * Kobiet → Woman (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * Kobieta → Woman (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * Kobietach → Woman (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * Kobietami → Woman (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * Kobiete → Woman (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * Kobieto → Woman (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * Kobietom → Woman (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * Kobiety → Woman (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * Kobietę → Woman (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

Not especially Polish. —— TheChampionMan1234 03:15, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete WP:NOT a translation dictionary. Women exist outside of Poland. -- 65.94.169.222 (talk) 08:04, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:FORRED. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 22:59, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
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Yhdistyneet Kansakunnat



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. JohnCD (talk) 09:46, 15 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Yhdistyneet Kansakunnat → United Nations (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

This is not an official language of the UN. —— TheChampionMan1234 00:17, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom -- 65.94.169.222 (talk) 08:05, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:FORRED. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 22:59, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete as vague synonym.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:50, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
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