Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 February 17

February 17
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on February 17, 2014.

List of active Turkish Navy ships



 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was wrong forum, Requested moves handles moves that cannot be made because of redirects. Thryduulf (talk) 10:54, 18 February 2014 (UTC)


 * List of active Turkish Navy ships → List of ships of the Turkish Navy (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

Need this redirect deleted so I can move List of ships of the Turkish Navy to the title currently held by this redirect. Thank you very much. Antiochus the Great (talk) 16:41, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
 * To clarify, do you mean that you want to move List of ships of the Turkish Naval Forces to List of active Turkish Navy ships? Because it's a double redirect to the former at present. —  Scott  •  talk  19:31, 17 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Yes that's what I am trying to do. Antiochus the Great (talk) 19:46, 17 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Procedural close this is an issue for WP:RM to decide whether "active" should be in the title or not. -- 70.50.151.11 (talk) 06:17, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
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Sunapee trout



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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to Sunapee golden trout, as already implemented. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 09:59, 4 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Sunapee trout → Silver trout (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

Somethin' ain't right here. The only incoming link to this term is from Arctic char. In that article, it is claimed that this is another name for that fish. However, this redirects to Silver trout, which is an extinct relative of the Arctic char. That article mentions the "golden" Sunapee trout in passing but does not claim that Sunapee trout is another name for the Silver trout.

So which is it? Is it another name for the char or is it another name for an extinct relative of the char? The situation as it stands now is just confusing. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:01, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I was simply responding to this edit, which claimed that Sunapee golden trout and Sunapee trout redirected to Silver trout. As this was flagged by Category:Missing redirects, which I patrol, I created the redirects and removed the hatnotes, as it didn't seem that disambiguation was necessary. I did not know that on the very next edit, User:Purefury182 (contribs), the same editor who had added the hatnotes, would reverse their edit because "Restored 16 July 2013 version due to taxonomic confusion with the Sunapee golden trout" and replace my redirect with a new Sunapee golden trout article. As I'm no expert on this you will need to sort this out with Purefury182. Best regards, Wbm1058 (talk) 21:37, 1 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Sunapee golden trout. ☺ ·  Salvidrim!   ·  &#9993;  21:52, 1 February 2014 (UTC)


 * This was my fault. The silver trout article listed Lake Sunapee as one of its resident lakes, which was not true and led to my thinking it was just another name for the Sunapee golden trout, which did inhabit that lake. After further reading I found that the silver trout was indeed another species. I updated the silver trout page and created the aforementioned Sunapee golden trout page, and updated the Sunapee trout page to redirect to the Sunapee golden trout page. Best, Purefury182, 1658 (ET), 1 February 2014 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Purefury182 (talk • contribs) 22:03, 1 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Retarget per Salvidirim. Si Trew (talk) 17:18, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm concerned about that proposed target page as well. As I commented on it's talk page, none of the references or external links appear to actually contain the words "Sunapee golden trout" but I suppose that is a separate issue. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:31, 5 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Would it make sense to dabify, with a list of the various species that have been referred to by this name? --BDD (talk) 17:17, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, WJBscribe (talk) 13:18, 17 February 2014 (UTC)




 * Retarget to Sunapee golden trout.
 * here at the USGS it describes the Sunappe trout as Salvelinus alpinus oquassa (Bean, 1887) and calls it also the blueback trout,  blueback char, golden trout.
 * The taxonomy is available here. This appears to be a different subspecies from the silver trout, Salvelinus agassizi.
 * So it really should be redirected to Sunapee golden trout which describes the correct species properly. I'm sorry, I should have done my homework before, but that seems to me now to be the obvious redirect target, I would change it myself right now but don't like to change things when they are under discussion. Si Trew (talk) 08:38, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
 * With this edit on 1 February it was changed to the proposed target by Purefury182, who said "that was my fault" up above. Since it now seems to direct to the correct target and I think there is no doubt about it, I think this can go as a procedural close or fait accompli now. Si Trew (talk) 08:44, 3 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Hmm, I seee BDD's and Beebebrox's point (I think), that these things go under lots of common names. But assuming that this redirect is not deleted and has to point somewhere, that seems to me its obvious target; I can't see a DAB is worth doing. A quick Google search just now with the term "Sunapee silver trout" brought up the Wikipedia article for "Sunapee golden trout" as the first hit, so I think there is no problem there; there is not a species called the Sunapee silver trout and that is obviously the wrong target, this simply needs to be retargeted. Si Trew (talk) 08:51, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Newcastle Zone Premier League



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 * The result of the discussion was speedy delete. This is clearly another case of someone moving a page to the Wikipedia space when they meant to move it to the article namespace and then correcting their error. Such resulting redirects come under WP:CSD (specifically the 'pages created in the wrong namespace' portion). Thryduulf (talk) 18:02, 17 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Newcastle Zone Premier League → Newcastle Zone Premier League (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

Orphaned cross-namespace redirect Acather96 (click here to contact me) 12:54, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
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Brat Pack (hardcorepunk band)



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 * The result of the discussion was keep. (NAC) Armbrust The Homunculus 22:17, 23 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Brat Pack (hardcorepunk band) → Brat Pack (punk band) (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

Delete. Misspelling, unlikely search term, no substantial history. Florian Blaschke (talk) 01:14, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep not only is this harmless, but the content was at this title from creation in December 2010 until it was moved in October 2011 meaning that we should keep it to maintain the edit history and avoid breaking links from external websites, bookmarks, etc. There is a very high likelihood of these existing as the redirect has been used between 25 and 55 times every month since at least May 2013 (I didn't look further back than that), so deletion would be actively harmful. Thryduulf (talk) 02:58, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep - plausible search term, clearly sends readers to what they're looking for. No argument has been advanced to support deletion. Wily D  09:54, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep - per WilyD. Acather96 (click here to contact me) 12:55, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep for the nice reasoning by Thryduulf. The Whispering Wind (talk) 00:51, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
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