Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 February 20

February 20
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on February 20, 2014.

Galant music



 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was wrong forum. Please see Requested moves if you wish to move a page. Thryduulf (talk) 09:51, 20 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Galant music → Galante music (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

Deletion in order to have Galante music redirected to here. The correct spelling of the word (to my knowledge) is galant without an "e". Chris Troutman ( talk ) 06:43, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

Behemoth (Dungeons & Dragons)



 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was retarget to Index of Advanced Dungeons & Dragons 1st edition monsters, because something has to be done here. The others will just have to be treated later. --BDD (talk) 19:18, 3 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Behemoth (Dungeons & Dragons) → Monster Manual (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

Not discussed on the target page. Index of Advanced Dungeons & Dragons 1st edition monsters and Dinosaur (Dungeons & Dragons) are possible pages to retarget to, but it might be better to leave this red to encourage article creation. There are many similar redirects that I'll likely nominate in the future, so stay tuned. --BDD (talk) 06:32, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Not sure why this or any other monster name should redirect to Monster Manual, so I think it should be retargeted to the Index page. BOZ (talk) 13:06, 20 February 2014 (UTC)


 * comment BDD: it will probably be best if you nominate those other redirects in small batches grouped by proposed target spread over several days. In my experience that is the most likely way to avoid no consensus and/or overwhelming people. Awkward42 (talk) [the alternate account of Thryduulf (talk)] 13:57, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I'll likely do that, but I wanted to see how this one went. If for some reason there was a strong consensus to keep as is, I wouldn't bother. --BDD (talk) 17:08, 20 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete this redirect, as well as the following list of redirects towards Monster Manual:


 * Abishi
 * Barkburr
 * Bat (Dungeons & Dragons)
 * Bookworm (Dungeons & Dragons)
 * Bowler (Dungeons & Dragons)
 * Camel spider (Dungeons & Dragons)
 * Carnivorous Ape
 * Carnivorous ape
 * Carnivorous flying squirrel
 * Cat (Dungeons & Dragons)
 * Cave cricket (Dungeons & Dragons)
 * Cave moray
 * Centipede (Dungeons & Dragons)
 * Cheetah (Dungeons & Dragons)
 * Common time elemental
 * Crow (Dungeons & Dragons)
 * Death Watch Beetle (Dungeons & Dragons)
 * Death watch beetle (Dungeons & Dragons)
 * Direburr
 * Electric eel (Dungeons & Dragons)
 * Elfin cat
 * Falcon (Dungeons & Dragons)
 * Foo dog (Dungeons & Dragons)
 * Foo lion (Dungeons & Dragons)
 * Giant bee (Dungeons & Dragons)
 * Giant black squirrel
 * Giant catfish (Dungeons & Dragons)
 * Giant crane (Dungeons & Dragons)
 * Giant dragonfly (Dungeons & Dragons)
 * Giant firefly (Dungeons & Dragons)
 * Giant fly (Dungeons & Dragons)
 * Giant harvester termite
 * Giant mantis
 * Giant marine spider
 * Giant termite (Dungeons & Dragons)
 * Goat (Dungeons & Dragons)
 * Grim (Dungeons & Dragons)
 * Haunting custodian
 * Hawk (Dungeons & Dragons)
 * Land urchin
 * Luck eater
 * Mobat (Dungeons & Dragons)
 * Narwhale (Dungeons & Dragons)
 * Noble time elemental
 * Northern bear (Dungeons & Dragons)
 * Otter (Dungeons & Dragons)
 * Owl (Dungeons & Dragons)
 * Phantom (Dungeons & Dragons)
 * Polar bear (Dungeons & Dragons)
 * Pseudo-undead
 * Pseudoghast
 * Pseudospectre
 * Pseudovampire
 * Pseudowraith
 * Ram (Dungeons & Dragons)
 * Rat (Dungeons & Dragons)
 * Raven (Dungeons & Dragons)
 * Russet mold
 * Sandling (Dungeons & Dragons)
 * Scum creeper
 * Skunk (Dungeons & Dragons)
 * Snake (Dungeons & Dragons)
 * Squirrel (Dungeons & Dragons)
 * Sun spider (Dungeons & Dragons)
 * Swan (Dungeons & Dragons)
 * Swordfish (Dungeons & Dragons)
 * Time elemental
 * Transposer (Dungeons & Dragons)
 * Vagabond (Dungeons & Dragons)
 * Vapor rat
 * Vulture (Dungeons & Dragons)
 * Weasel (Dungeons & Dragons)
 * Whip scorpion (Dungeons & Dragons)
 * Worm (Dungeons & Dragons)


 * ...As none of these redirects are neither mentioned by subject in Monster Manual, nor are they mentioned in enough detail in any other article (or even in the index articles' tables where the redirects' topics are/may be listed) to warrant the existence of a redirect. Per one of possible routes mentioned by BDD, all of these redirects should be be deleted to promote article creation. Steel1943  (talk) 06:14, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Some (most? all?) of those should be retargeted to the Index page, as they actually are mentioned there. BOZ (talk) 06:23, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
 * BOZ, would you be able to direct me towards the index page that has all of these listed? The reason I am asking this is that ... until now, I did not realize that the Dungeons & Dragons index seems to be broken into several different list articles, based on timeline of when the monster was added to Dungeons & Dragons. I mean, I'm looking at one of the indexes now, and I'm still in belief that the better option is to delete these redirects, then recreate them one-by-one when their proper index article and target is found by placing anchors in the appropriate articles. I would have no idea where to start to find out neither when each of these monsters were first mentioned, nor which index or list article they could be placed. Steel1943  (talk) 06:35, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I was referring to Index of Advanced Dungeons & Dragons 1st edition monsters as previously linked to above. BOZ (talk) 16:11, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
 * that was the page I initially viewed prior to my previous comment to you. I could not find either any or all examples of the redirects' titles I listed on that article. (I looked up only a few of them, and each of the ones that I looked up at the time were not on that page.) Afterwards, I started skimming through some of the other related pages on the article List of Dungeons & Dragons monsters, and had a difficult time finding the subjects for the redirects in those pages as well. Due to the way the D&D monster lists are organized at this time, unless all of these separate list/index articles can be somehow merged together and become one easy-to-navigate list/index article, I still believe the redirects should be deleted, at least for the time being. Steel1943  (talk) 18:13, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm not following your logic regarding redirection vs. deletion and re-creation. What is it about the current redirects that cannot be modified to achieve the desired results? BOZ (talk) 18:56, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
 * the results would be the same, ultimately. However, the end result of these redirects seem to have already been boldly determined by IP editor 2601:D:9400:3CD:C478:3823:8325:BCC2; it seems that all of the redirects I listed are now in that IP's edit history. Also, due to these edits, and reviewing the above-mentioned index article, I now agree that Behemoth (Dungeons & Dragons) should Redirect towards Index of Advanced Dungeons & Dragons 1st edition monsters. Steel1943  (talk) 21:23, 25 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Commment None of the additional redirects listed by Steel1943 appear to have been tagged for RfD. 149.241.77.1 (talk) 08:47, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Correct, as I am not nominating them, but rather stating the amount of redirects that, in my opinion, would/should be affected by the outcome of this RfD (which coincides with my vote.) If anyone feels that they should be included in this RfD listing, feel free to tag the redirects listed in my comment above. Steel1943  (talk) 18:02, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, I don't really think tagging them all is necessary. I've notified the D&D WikiProject about this discussion. Theoretically, the creator of one of these could be dead-set on redirecting to Monster Manual, but we can cross that bridge in the unlikely event that we come to it. --BDD (talk) 18:10, 21 February 2014 (UTC)


 * To all involved in this discussion (BDD, BOZ, etc.), you may be interested in an RfD I started for Abishi. Turns out that redirect may not have a specific target on any article due to being a misspelling. Steel1943  (talk) 17:52, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Retarget Giant black squirrel to Black giant squirrel as a plausible synonym/mispelling.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 06:02, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.