Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 January 2

January 2
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on January 2, 2014.

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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 17:36, 9 January 2014 (UTC)


 * 250px → Pixel (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

Useless redirect, used only in errors. Dicklyon (talk) 19:53, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
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List of low-radiation smartphones



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. WJBscribe (talk) 22:08, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Delete. Per the discussion at Articles for deletion/List of low-radiation smartphones, the "low-radiation" criteria is not defined by a reliable source. Including it in the name of a redirect to a list of a few (or some, or all) mobile phones with a SAR rating implies that the phones listed at the target have qualified in some way for a "low-radiation" rating, when such a rating does not exist. The stand-alone list was deleted per AfD, then was recreated within Specific absorption rate and these redirect were created, quite possibly in error. Speedy WP:G4 was declined because the AfD did not concern a redirect (which is true), so here we are. Ivanvector (talk) 04:55, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
 * List of low-radiation smartphones → Specific absorption rate (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * List of smartphones with low radiation → Specific absorption rate (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]


 * I think the record shows that Specific absorption rate is where the list started, a long time ago. --Elvey (talk) 20:39, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Delete. I agree with the rationale proposed by User Ivanvector. --papageno (talk) 15:25, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Keep while the discussion of the list(s) continues to simmer. No need to use a memory hole to hide the history during that time. Delete when Comparison_of_specific_absorption_rate_for_devices, etc are all gone.

Ivan, I'm disappointed that you re-raise the idea that we don't have a RS, as the FCC was provided as an RS for the SAR values, and updated list of 20 lowest radiation cellphones was provided by Enric Naval as a list of the 20 lowest radiation cellphones. The idea seems discredited to me. No?--Elvey (talk) 21:17, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
 *  Support . Sorry (again) for splitting your comment. I think this is a reasonable proposal. There is discussion going on at (sadly, several places, here or here) on what the redirect target should look like and where it should live permanently, and it makes sense to me to resolve that discussion before determining the fate of the redirects. If no editors are opposed to this, then this discussion can be closed. Ivanvector (talk) 22:54, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I do not believe the discussions about the shape of a SAR list and its location have any bearing on the validity of the redirects being adressed here. These redirects perpetuate illogic, as initially put forth by User Ivanvector. However, I do not object to a temporary delay here if that will assist in finding an amicable, consensus outcome to those other discussions. --papageno (talk) 03:12, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I've replied to this at Categories for discussion/Log/2013 December 31. Ivanvector (talk) 22:55, 2 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete This seems like an AfD runaround. The linked talk page discussions seem to have petered out, and the matching category has been deleted. --BDD (talk) 17:54, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Going back to delete: The user who opposed this,, is currently blocked until the first week of February, which I bring up in good faith only because it means he or she cannot respond here, and I don't want anyone to think I'm trying to do something sneaky here. However, I think this has been open long enough. We have thoroughly established consensus through AfD, CfD, and various other discussions that "low-radiation" is not a term defined by reliable sources when referring to mobile phones. There is still some discussion ongoing regarding whether the list (Comparison of specific absorption rate for devices) should be moved or kept at all, but since the phones now listed are not qualified by "low radiation", these redirects serve no purpose regardless of the outcome of those discussions. Ivanvector (talk) 23:23, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per Ivanvector's reasoning. —  Scott  •  talk  20:28, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. Agree that this seems to be an AfD runaround. Thargor Orlando (talk) 16:20, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
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North Cock-It-Back



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 17:36, 9 January 2014 (UTC)


 * North Cock-It-Back → North Carolina (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

Unlikely need for this redirect. I cannot find any sources save for Urban Dictionary, and certainly no WP:RS that indicate that there would be any readers searching for North Cock-It-Back intending to find North Carolina. -- Тимофей ЛееСуда . 04:41, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Delete. Seems spammy. --Elvey (talk) 21:24, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Delete. "Cock it Back" is the name of a song by Sadat X. I also failed to find the term "North Cock-It-Back" in sources independent of Wikipedia. &mdash; rybec   04:35, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
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Terbinium



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 * The result of the discussion was keep and retarget, respectively. Both will link to Total Recall (1990 film), and not to a section. --BDD (talk) 17:46, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Deletion. Obscure, in-universe term that seems unlikely to be searched for. No notability outside the film and consequently unlikely to be expanded to its own article. DonIago (talk) 20:17, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Terbinium → Total Recall (1990 film) (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * Turbinium → Total Recall (links to redirect • [ history] • )    [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ] Added 15:26, 3 January 2014 (UTC) after I became aware of it. DonIago (talk) 15:26, 3 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete I wouldn't have known about it at all, if I hadn't by chance found the redirect at the category its in. I looked for some other sources around the Internet, but it doesn't seem this fictional element has reached popcultural status of any kind. Arms Jones (talk) 20:32, 2 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep because as the saying goes, redirects are cheap. The notability guidelines do not apply here. I am not seeing any reasons at WP:R to delete this specific term. Its categorization at Category:Fictional materials seems appropriate, though I would probably not link the redirect to the "Plot" section of the film article. Erik (talk &#124; contribs) 21:15, 2 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep because redirects are cheap, etc, per Erik.  (Hmm… Obtanium  Turbonium  Unobtanium?) --Elvey (talk) 21:24, 2 January 2014 (UTC)


 * The film article doesn't invoke the term anywhere other than the plot summary, which is part of why I believe a delete may be called for. If we're going to keep the redirect then I believe we should find a way to make the term more pertinent within the film article. Conversely, right now it seems inappropriate to remove the term from the Plot summary (even though it's not an essential element of the plot), because if it's not mentioned there, it's not mentioned anywhere. DonIago (talk) 21:23, 2 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I meant that terbinium should redirect to Total Recall (1990 film), not Total Recall (1990 film). The anchor link would force the reader past the lead section, and I think the reader should be able to see the real-world context in which terbinium appears. Erik (talk &#124; contribs) 22:00, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I guess that's kind of my point...if we take terbinium out of the plot summary then right now it's not mentioned anywhere in the article, so there is effectively no real-world context for it (i.e. a reader could wonder why they were directed to the film at all). I guess we could add something clarifying what the reactor is/does outside the plot summary, but I feel like we'd be doing that just to satisfy the redirect, instead of having the redirect serve the article. I don't have -strong- feelings about this to be clear, but it seemed worthy of discussion, so here we are. DonIago (talk) 23:16, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
 * It's mentioned in the target article and that's enough to justify it. There's a little bit more about it at wikiquote:Total_Recall--in my opinion, that's a better target. If someone wanted to write about it at still greater length, List of fictional elements, materials, isotopes and atomic particles would be a good place. &mdash; rybec   04:52, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * It's only mentioned in the plot summary of the target article because of the redirect, though, and I think it's evident that the mention there is shoehorned in. Regarding pointing to List of fictional etc...it seems doubtful to me that third-party sources have made note of it, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong. I'd be okay with wikiquote as a target though. DonIago (talk) 05:43, 3 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep per the fun sort of musical clicky noise the servers make when you click on a redirect. Since the term apparently pertains to the movie and nothing else, someone typing it into the search box could reasonably expect to see information about the movie. Redirect should be pointed to the top of the article rather than a subsection, as other eds have noted. Ivanvector (talk) 04:56, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep - discussed at the target, someone searching for the term is exceedingly likely to want to be sent there. Unlikely to be sufficiently notable to merit it's own article is a reason to create a redirect, not a reason to delete one. Wily D  10:01, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep Terbinium, Retarget Turbinium to the film article instead of the disambiguation page. -- JHunterJ (talk) 16:02, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Related redirect
We've also got Turbinium which goes to Total Recall. Apologies for not including this in my original filing, I just became aware of it when I noticed this edit. I've added it to the list at the top. DonIago (talk) 15:23, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment: Turbinium should point to the film page, not the dab page. Keep, as above. Ivanvector (talk) 15:51, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm a little confused. Is turbinium the correct spelling of the fictional material? It seems to get more search results than terbinium. Or are these different spellings based on the media? Erik (talk &#124; contribs) 16:26, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm unfortunately unaware which spelling is the correct one, though the editor responsible for the linked edit appears to believe that Turbinium is the correct spellling, at least according to the novel (which I haven't read). DonIago (talk) 16:39, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, the Piers Anthony movie tie-in novel uses "turbinium" -- JHunterJ (talk) 18:47, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Possibly immaterial, but is it brought up at all in the book that inspired the film? Based on We Can Remember It for You Wholesale, I'm going to go out on a limb and say no. DonIago (talk) 19:46, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
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