Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 June 25

June 25
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on June 25, 2014.

Δίκαιο



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 18:11, 7 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Δίκαιο → Dikaios, Kos (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

Delete. “Δίκαιο” means ‘law’. The municipality is named “Δίκαιος”. Gorobay (talk) 16:39, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete since I'm not sure if this is a plausible typo in Greek.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:14, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Is that even relevant? Should we have misspelled foreign language redirects? I'd say no, only correct versions. Ego White Tray (talk) 14:36, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

@ Siuenti: it is rather unlikely that anyone will search for it as Δίκαιο or Δίκαιος, because these are common Greek words meaning entirely different things ("Law" and "just" respectively). You can imagine that, the permutations of their use being endless, no-one will attempt to search for the municipality like that. Besides, it is common practice in Greek to refer to, and hence search for, the full form (e.g. "Municiplity of X") for administrative entities. Constantine  ✍  11:03, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Strong delete per Gorobay and Ego White Tray. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 18:39, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep, this is the accusative case of Δίκαιος. See Modern_greek_grammar Siuenti (talk) 19:03, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete. Anyone who would look for the municipality in Greek would search for Δήμος Δικαίου. Anything else is rather superfluous. Constantine  ✍  21:13, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Do you mean that it's never going to be referred to as Δίκαιο or even Δίκαιος in Greek text? Siuenti (talk) 17:24, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The way it's going to be referred to in Greek text is irrelevant, because reading such text would require enough skill to use proper form. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 21:03, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Or possibly a dictionary or something similar. Siuenti (talk) 22:18, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Dictionaries or something similar don't use accusative case, or at least not without infinitive form. Even if they did, Wikipedia is not disctionary and does not have to redirect every form of word, particularily in foreign languages. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 22:51, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Texts which people are trying to read, using a dictionary, may use the accusative case. They are therefore likely to encounter them and try to look them up in Wikipedia, possibly without realizing what the "proper" form is, or not having the ability to type that form. Siuenti (talk) 08:15, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
 * That is exactly what WP:NOTDICT warns against. People may as well read Turkish, Chinese, Russian or whatever other texts and use a pocket dictionary containing only a handful of words, so per your rationale we should have all possible forms of all words in every language except for very few most common infinitive forms. This flies in face of WP:NOT and is contrary to Wikipedia purpose. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 08:27, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
 * No, Wiktionary is there to provide all words in all languages. Wikipedia is just supposed to help people look up topics it covers, in English or in languages related to the target. Siuenti (talk) 08:39, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Exactly. The need to help people find topic by its native title is completely covered with:
 * correct infinitive forms of the names of this topic in native languages' scripts;
 * correct infinitive forms of the transliterated names of this topic in native languages' scripts;
 * Grammatical forms of words in foreign languages, related to the subject or not, are the job of dictionaries and/or grammar references, not encyclopedias. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 10:49, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Assuming they are likely search terms related to the subject they are beneficial to encylopedias too, helping people get to what they are searching for without adding unnecessary barriers like finding a Greek keyboard. Siuenti (talk) 15:21, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Alright, if no-one is going to see this form it's not necessary to keep it. I guess no-one would write "I went to Δίκαιο" or something like that. Siuenti (talk) 15:21, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
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Σεβεοι



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 18:09, 7 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Σεβεοι → Sabians (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

Delete. This term does not seem to refer to the Sabians. Gorobay (talk) 16:31, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment: Searching, one finds several instances of "Sebeoi" as a synonym for "Sabians", though this is not explained in the article and the sources do not seem reliable. הסרפד  (call me Hasirpad) 03:41, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:FORRED. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 18:37, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
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Ρίζα



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 18:09, 7 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Ρίζα → Rize (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

Delete. This is a city in Turkey. It might have historical connections to Greece, but the name “Ρίζα” does not seem to be the city’s Greek name anyway. Gorobay (talk) 15:24, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 18:37, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
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French submarine Delfin



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 * The result of the discussion was keep. The submarine was French at some point, and it appears to have had the same name at the time. --BDD (talk) 18:07, 7 July 2014 (UTC)


 * French submarine Delfin → Greek submarine Delfin (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

Delete: the submarine was hardly active in French service, and mixing its Greek name with "French submarine" or pointless Constantine  ✍  12:49, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep - the sub was in the possession of France 1916-19 so this is an accurate term. Whilst I am doubtful about the benefit of creating this redirect, we are where we are and there is no policy-compliant reason to delete and the default for redirects is to keep. The Whispering Wind (talk) 20:50, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
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French submarine Xifias



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 * The result of the discussion was keep. The submarine was French at some point, and it appears to have had the same name at the time. --BDD (talk) 18:06, 7 July 2014 (UTC)


 * French submarine Xifias → Greek submarine Xifias (1911) (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

Delete: the submarine was never in French service, and mixing its Greek name with "French submarine" or pointless Constantine  ✍  12:49, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep - the sub was in the possession of France 1916-19 so this is an accurate term. Whilst I am doubtful about the benefit of creating this redirect, we are where we are and there is no policy-compliant reason to delete and the default for redirects is to keep. The Whispering Wind (talk) 20:50, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
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Linkin Park's fifth studio album



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 * The result of the discussion was keep. This was the original title of the page and no policy compliant reason for deletion has been adduced. NAC. The Whispering Wind (talk) 22:11, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

(links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * Linkin Park's fifth studio album → Living Things (Linkin Park album)

Unlikely search since the page was moved to Living Things (Linkin Park album). I recommend delete. MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 03:35, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete- Merely left over from before the album had an official title. (It really shouldn't have had an article before then, but that's another issue.) Sergecross73   msg me  03:53, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep An accurate description of the album, nothing deceptive or confusing, so no reason to delete. Ego White Tray (talk) 05:25, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep per Ego White Tray. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 06:20, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep - It is an unlikely search term, and has no incoming mainspace links, which would justify deletion, but normally former titles of moved pages are kept unless harmful, and I don't see this one causing trouble. With no strong reason for deletion nor keeping, I'm defaulting to the current status quo; not really "keep" but more like "leave it be". ☺ ·  Salvidrim!   ·  &#9993;  15:03, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep I think you must think twice every time you put something on WP:RfD rather than just go with it. }I Mr* &#124; (60nna) I{ 04:53, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
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Linkin park's third studio album



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 * The result of the discussion was keep. Accurate description and no policy compliant reason for deletion has been adduced. NAC. The Whispering Wind (talk) 22:22, 2 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Linkin park's third studio album → Minutes to Midnight (album) (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

Unlikely search with no page links. I recommend delete. MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 03:31, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep: I see no valid deletion rationale and no better target. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 06:31, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep: Next time, when you put something on WP:RfD, always doublecheck. }I Mr* &#124; (60nna) I{ 04:54, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
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Siberian Russian language
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 July 7%23Siberian Russian language

American Eagle Airlines



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 * The result of the discussion was keep. I personally agree with Czarkoff that the target article's lede explains the situation adequately, though anyone is free to add a hatnote. --BDD (talk) 18:01, 7 July 2014 (UTC)


 * American Eagle Airlines → Envoy Air (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

I'm not sure about what to do with this. American Eagle was renamed Envoy, but the American Eagle name moved to American Eagle (airline brand), and American Eagle Airlines seems like a plausible search/link term for that. There is also American Eagle (disambiguation) which lists both of those, so that could be a workable target if neither seems like the primary topic:Jay8g [ V•T•E ] 01:22, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * keep & revise &mdash; I think that this should be retained, but include on the Envoy Air page a Redirect-distinguish which points to American Eagle (airline brand). --User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 01:30, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * REtarget to American Eagle (disambiguation) -- 65.94.171.126 (talk) 01:39, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep: most likely Envoy Air already contains information readers search for; it also links to American Eagle (airline brand) in the first paragraph of lead section. I don't see any need in disambiguation. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 06:40, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
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