Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 June 27

June 27
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on June 27, 2014.

Template:Cleanup-lead



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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus. --BDD (talk) 18:37, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

All three of these redirects with a similar purpose have multiple different targets. This can be confusing to an editor trying to use cleanup tags for the lead section of a page, but does not know about which cleanup tag these redirects target. I recommend that each of these should target the same page, but possibly all target Template:Introduction cleanup maintenance templates to sort of act as a disambiguation page for these terms. Also, the redirect Template:LEAD exists, but Template:Lead is about the chemical element. Steel1943 (talk) 17:40, 9 June 2014 (UTC) 
 * Template:Cleanup-lead → Template:Lead too long (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * Template:Lede → Template:Lead rewrite (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Lede&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * Template:LEAD → Template:Lead too long (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:LEAD&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * Retarget "Cleanup lead" to template:lead-rewrite, as that would be cleanup, in all cases -- 65.94.171.126 (talk) 04:37, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Retarget "LEAD" to template:lead, much easier to keep track of this this way, and as it has no indication it is a cleanup template, it is better this way. -- 65.94.171.126 (talk) 04:39, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete "Lede"  no indication of what this is for from the name. Could easily be for intro missing -- 65.94.171.126 (talk) 04:40, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep: I see nothing wrong with inconsistence of these redirects. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 00:46, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
 * As this discussion got relisted, I might need to expand my rationale a bit: these redirects can be found in old revisions of multiple pages. When someone looks up such old revision, the transclusions are rendered as they stand now, so any change of template redirect target results in perverted display of historical revisions. At the same time, these templates are there mostly to request some action on the article; so changing redirects would break sequence of events and severely damage the ability to investigate history of particular pages, which is IMO much more important then local consistency between these three redirects. Furthermore, template redirects mostly serve as shortcuts, being memorised by editors and used to save typing; editors, who used them in the past, may continue doing so even not noticing the change of target. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 10:45, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep per Dmitri. Templates are hard: now that you can script em every little script kiddie writes them. but they used to be very hard even as a professional programmer to get the syntax right etc: anything that made it easier was worth it. It is not as if they are in mainspace. 85.238.64.128 (talk) 09:36, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


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Georiga State Route 213



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 * The result of the discussion was keep because no valid grounds for deletion have been presented. The default for redirects is to keep. This is not a recently created redirect. Such redirects are only deleted if they are in some way harmful. WP:RFD states "Therefore consider the deletion only of either really harmful redirects or of very recent ones.". In any case, the fact that the redirect was originally created with this title shows some plausibility for the misspelling. NAC. The Whispering Wind (talk) 20:48, 5 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Georiga State Route 213 → List of former state routes in Georgia (U.S. state) (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

This redirect is an implausible misspelling and should be deleted. Axl ¤  [Talk]  19:56, 8 June 2014 (UTC) 
 * Comment for what it's worth, I created this redirect because I made this typo while trying to create the correctly spelled version. Thryduulf (talk) 11:52, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
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Doggy woggy



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. Jenks24 (talk) 12:46, 20 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Doggy woggy → Dog (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

Internet slang again. TheChampionMan1234 09:39, 8 June 2014 (UTC) 
 * Keep, plausible search term. More childish language than internet slang, but harmless either way. Siuenti (talk) 10:05, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Redirect to doggy woggy: target page does not explain connection between search page and target. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 13:29, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The problem is that such a redirect would not work. See WP:REDIRECT TheChampionMan1234 05:24, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Such redirect would work as soft redirect, which is better then nothing. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 10:30, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Technicalities aside, it wouldn't work since the user wouldn't learn anything or otherwise get anything of value out of it. Ego White Tray (talk) 04:04, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I can't agree with you. While it is obvious slang, there's nothing suggesting that it means dog in general as opposed to puppies, oddly looking dogs, huge dogs, etc. While this term turns out to have no encyclopedic meaning to have article about, there's nothing particularly wrong with taking reader to the place where he can get the information he came here for. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 08:37, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I would prefer outright deletion given that anyone can pretty much figure out that this is baby-talk but I would accept the wiktionary redirection if it could be made to work. Mangoe (talk) 17:43, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete Implausible search term, and too obscure to be a good candidate for a soft redirect to Wiktionary. --BDD (talk) 16:22, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


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 * Soft redirect to Wiktionary, plausible search term as it has several thousands of Google entries as well as an entry in our dictionary. I do not oppose to keep the redirect to dog as a second choice against deletion. Cavarrone  08:19, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOTDICT. ï¿½ (talk) 15:14, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
 * in fact, this is a good argument for a soft redirect to the Wiktionary. Cavarrone 18:32, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
 * While I can't find documentation on this either way, practice has been to use soft redirects to Wiktionary sparingly, such as for highly likely search terms or to replace longstanding DICDEF articles. NOTDICT certainly does not mean we should always redirect there if a term can't be treated encyclopedically. --BDD (talk) 18:40, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
 * ... as well as NOTDICT certainly does not mean we should delete plausible search terms in the face of plausible targets. --Cavarrone 19:06, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
 * FWIW assessing plausibility is a difficult task, prone to heavy influence of subjective factors. The only objective factor we have – stats – show 6 hits per month, which is below normal noise volume. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 19:16, 7 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Bin it "Internet slang"? If anyone looks this up in the search bar, they'll see Dog after only three letters. Peridon (talk) 17:26, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete useless. Per Peridon and extremely low hits-per-month. Bellerophon talk to me  18:53, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
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Μάρτυς



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 18:34, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Delete. The targets are not more relevant to Greek than to any language. Gorobay (talk) 14:19, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Μάρτυς → Martyr (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * Μαιευτικός → Maieutics (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%B9%CE%B5%CF%85%CF%84%CE%B9%CE%BA%CF%8C%CF%82&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * Μυθογραφία → Mythology (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%CE%9C%CF%85%CE%B8%CE%BF%CE%B3%CF%81%CE%B1%CF%86%CE%AF%CE%B1&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * Μυθολογία → Mythology (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%CE%9C%CF%85%CE%B8%CE%BF%CE%BB%CE%BF%CE%B3%CE%AF%CE%B1&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * Delete per WP:FORRED. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 21:43, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete general topics with no particular affinity for Greek. -- 65.94.171.126 (talk) 05:04, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
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Power sharing in nigeria
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 * The result of the discussion was refine target to Nigeria that has relevant material. NAC. The Whispering Wind (talk) 21:02, 5 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Power sharing in nigeria → Nigeria (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

Not covered in target TheChampionMan1234 11:43, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Refine to Nigeria, which speaks of power-sharing, albeit not using the term. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 21:40, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Refine to Nigeria per above sound suggestion. --Cavarrone 08:21, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
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<span id="아르헨티나">아르헨티나
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 18:32, 7 July 2014 (UTC)


 * 아르헨티나 → Argentina (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * 阿根廷 → Argentina (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * 亜爾然丁 → Argentina (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

Not especially Korean. TheChampionMan1234 07:23, 27 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete per OP. TLA 3x &#x266d;  →  &#x266e;  07:28, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete all per WP:FORRED. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 21:21, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete not Amerind or Spanish, therefore has no particular affinity to Argentina. -- 65.94.171.126 (talk) 05:13, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete as stated above, no particular affinity to Argentina. Cavarrone  08:20, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
 * delete per above.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 03:21, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete: not relevant to context. Mariano (t/c) 10:36, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
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<span id="پرتغال">پرتغال
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 18:32, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Irrelevent language. TheChampionMan1234 07:15, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * پرتغال → Portugal (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * پورتۇگالىيە → Portugal (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * פורטוגל → Portugal (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * פארטוגאל → Portugal (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * Pōtītī → Portugal (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]


 * Delete per OP. TLA 3x &#x266d;  →  &#x266e;  07:16, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete all per WP:FORRED. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 21:17, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete with the possible exception of Yiddish פארטוגאל and Hebrew פורטוגל&lrm;—these are also the Yiddish and Hebrew spellings of the Jewish surname Portugal. הסרפד  (call me Hasirpad) 22:36, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
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<span id="大韓民國">大韓民國
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 July 7%23大韓民國

<span id="Mumbaī">Mumbaī
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 * The result of the discussion was keep as a plausible search term and no other grounds for deletion. NAC. The Whispering Wind (talk)


 * Mumbaī → Mumbai (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

Unlikely search term. TheChampionMan1234 06:28, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep, accurate transliteration of Hindi or Marathi, appears in many Google books hits. Siuenti (talk) 07:12, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep, plausible search term per Siuenti's analysis. --Cavarrone  05:54, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep per per Siuenti -- Lenticel  ( talk ) 03:21, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:FORRED: romanization of target's name in local language. Although I also see usage of this form (including Manual of Style/India-related articles and Naming conventions (Indic) guidelines, where it is used as example), I am unsure about the language and transliteration scheme. Does anyone know? This redirect should be correctly tagged after closure of this RfD. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 04:33, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
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Tenjikukoku
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to Tenjiku. As long as there's an article on a Japanese name for India, it's a logical target. --BDD (talk) 18:28, 7 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Tenjikukoku → India (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

Delete This is a transcription of a Japanese name, Japanese is not a language of India whatsoever. TheChampionMan1234 06:26, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:FORRED. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 20:43, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete Japan did not conquer India in WWII -- 65.94.171.126 (talk) 05:16, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Tenjiku per Hasirpad. Though the article "Tenjiku" seems worthy of deletion as a dicdef; I assume this is supposed to be 天竺国 (Tenjiku Country) -- 65.94.171.126 (talk) 05:55, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Retarget: to Names of India or Tenjiku, as the many names of India seem to have historical significance, which makes it a plausible search term. (I, for one, was curious why Tenjikukoku was the Japanese name of India upon seeing this RfD.) הסרפד  (call me Hasirpad) 22:39, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
 * This particular form is not mentioned there. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 04:19, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
 * But Tenjiku, of which Tenjikukoku seems to be an obvious compound, is. For that matter, Tenjiku is a better target, though perhaps the latter article should be merger to Names of India. — Preceding unsigned comment added by הסרפד  (talk • contribs) 04:37, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Google Translate says it is "India country". Unlike "天竺" DAB, page with title "天竺国" apparently does not exist on Japanese Wikipedia, so most likely it is not exactly the way India is called in Japanese. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 11:32, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The term is definitely used in English: searching the English spellings "Tenjikukoku" and "Tenjiku koku" does bring up some English-language results; but almost all results refer to the Japanese title/version of one book. I can also find some scattered references (at least one source in German and Italian each) that discuss the term "Tenjikukoku" itself. I do not know if that is worth a redirect. הסרפד  (call me Hasirpad) 22:01, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Most likely this way of calling India is correct. The problem here is that not all correct names are worth redirects – only well-established. I see no proof that this particular way is well-established. FWIW literal translation suggests that 天竺国 relates to 天竺 the same way Mumbai city relates to Mumbai. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 22:33, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
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Stalin's Russia
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to History of the Soviet Union (1927–53) as being the target most likely to provide the information being sought. NAC. The Whispering Wind (talk)


 * Stalin's Russia → Joseph Stalin (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

Misleading, perhaps retarget to Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic TheChampionMan1234 06:18, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Retarget to History of the Soviet Union (1927–53). Given the low stats I would not oppose deletion either. P.S.: the title of this redirect uses "Russia" as an alias for Soviet Union, which is popular misconception. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 20:42, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Russia is particularly senseless in this case since Stalin was Georgian. Ego White Tray (talk) 04:16, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I am not sure I understand you. What connection do you see between his Georgian ancesty and his rule of USSR? — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 06:24, 28 June 2014 (UTC)


 *  oppose keep I doubt that anyone following such a link/search is looking for the name of one administrative unit of the USSR. Mangoe (talk) 20:33, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Wait - does "oppose" mean delete, retarget or keep? Ego White Tray (talk) 04:16, 28 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Retarget per DDC. "Russia" is frequently used as a synonym for the Soviet Union, and contemporaneously with Stalin as well. Stalin, after the dark days of the Great Patriotic War used much Russian iconography to shore up support, so his being Georgian was being buried under his promotion of Russianness. -- 65.94.171.126 (talk) 05:18, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Retarget to History of the Soviet Union (1927–53) per WP:LEAST. ï¿½ (talk) 21:06, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
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Hasakesitan
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 18:26, 7 July 2014 (UTC)


 * Hasakesitan → Kazakhstan (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

I know that this is a transcription from the Chinese name 哈薩克斯坦 using Pinyin, thus this is pretty much unrelated to the target. TheChampionMan1234 06:14, 27 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete per OP. TLA 3x &#x266d;  →  &#x266e;  06:59, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:FORRED. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 20:16, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 03:22, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
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List of Jazz Bass players
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 * The result of the discussion was  G8'd. No prejudice against creating a new redirect to somewhere else. Wily D  15:56, 27 June 2014 (UTC)


 * List of Jazz Bass players → List of Fender Jazz Bass players (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

Redirect to deleted page should be deleted also. Mikeblas (talk) 13:28, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Retarget to list of jazz bassists. Siuenti (talk) 13:30, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
 * "Jazz" in the context of this redirect refers to the model name of an instrument, not a type of music. Your suggested redirect refers to a type of music, so I don't think the re-targeting you describe is appropriate. -- Mikeblas (talk) 14:48, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
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