Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 June 3

June 3
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on June 3, 2014.

September 11, 2011 attacks



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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to September 11 attacks (disambiguation). This disamb page was not available when the previous RFD was closed. As the nominator implies it is always best to redirect to a broader target rather than one which is dependent on guessing which typo was intended. NAC. The Whispering Wind (talk) 01:43, 13 June 2014 (UTC)


 * September 11, 2011 attacks → September 11 attacks (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

This was previously kept at RfD under the presumption that "2011" was a typo for "2001." I submit that it could just as easily be a typo for "2012" (i.e., September 11, 2012 attacks). In fact, it's very easy to image someone in the future trying to remember when the Benghazi attack occurred and being off by a year. Thus. I think it would be best to retarget to September 11 attacks (disambiguation). BDD (talk) 23:50, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Did you mean to say 2012 Benghazi attack because you just suggested retargeting to to the existing target article.--70.49.80.26 (talk) 01:40, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
 * D'oh! I meant September 11 attacks (disambiguation). Fixed. --BDD (talk) 16:52, 4 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Retarget to September 11 attacks (disambiguation) per BDD. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 18:09, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
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Purple-headed



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 * The result of the discussion was delete both. JohnCD (talk) 13:24, 11 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Purple-headed → Purple-headed starling (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * Reddish-winged → Reddish-winged bare-eye (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

This is a slightly different case from the one below. Here, the starling is the only thing "purple-headed" could reasonably refer to, but there's no evidence the species would be referred to as "purple-headed" alone. It definitely shouldn't've been created, but if others thing we should apply RfD zen and keep it, I can deal with that. --BDD (talk) 21:25, 3 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete. I do not see the value in these. It would be nice if Reddish-winged could be deleted at the same time because I can't be bothered listing it separately. &mdash;Xezbeth (talk) 13:41, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Also White-masked. I suspect there are many of these still floating around. &mdash;Xezbeth (talk) 15:10, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Xezbeth. I'll list these. Neelix seems to be the creator of all of these, and I've been in touch with him about the issue, so he knows they're under discussion. I'll put White-masked in the section below because of the White-masked whisp, Agriocnemis falcifera. I still think they should all go, but the ones that are only in the names of one species might be a slightly different issue. --BDD (talk) 16:45, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry, everyone; I created these about six years ago, back before I had heard of partial title matches. I hope they aren't causing you too many troubles. Neelix (talk) 01:29, 5 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete per BDD. I take the stats for proof. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 18:13, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
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Dark-throated



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 * The result of the discussion was Delete. Lord Roem ~ (talk) 22:51, 27 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Dark-throated → Dark-throated thrush (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * Black-ringed → Black-ringed white-eye (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * White-masked → White-masked antbird (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

Like Red-knobbed et al., Pale-breasted, and Spot-winged, these parts of bird names don't lend themselves to dabs, due to WP:PTM, nor is there evidence of primacy of the species these point to versus other "Dark-throated" and "Black-ringed" topics. --BDD (talk) 21:21, 3 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Black-ringed should be retargeted to Black ring. It makes sense to delete Dark-throated and White-masked. Neelix (talk) 01:35, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete all, including Black-ringed, which does not match entries from Black ring. Stats show that nobody will miss these deletions. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 18:16, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Black-ringed does match entries from Black ring. A character wearing the DC Comics black ring is black-ringed, and a plant infected with Tomato black ring virus is black-ringed. Neelix (talk) 15:41, 6 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Pink-legged, Three-wattled, Ochraceous-breasted, Creamy-breasted, Yellow-chinned could also all be deleted at the same time. Redirecting Black-ringed to Black ring seems harmless. &mdash;Xezbeth (talk) 20:30, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 02:03, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
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The price is wrong, bitch
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 July 25%23The price is wrong, bitch

Лазурный поползень
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 July 25%23Лазурный поползень

Bird law



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 * The result of the discussion was convert Bird law to a DAB page. EdJohnston (talk) 14:36, 7 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Bird law → Migratory Bird Treaty Act of 1918 (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

I strongly suspect this was created in reference to a joke from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia. While the target is a law dealing with birds, it's hardly a comprehensive treatment of laws dealing with birds, not that I'm sure that we could really have such an article. The hatnote refers to Audubon (magazine), which was formerly known as Bird Lore, but not, as far as I can tell, Bird Law. The joke is mentioned at Charlie Kelly (It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia), but retargeting there doesn't seem to make sense either. BDD (talk) 18:03, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. The closest related article that I can find is Animal law.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:57, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
 * If Bird's law exists, it should retarget there. Unfortunately it doesn't. J. Alfred Bird made the recipe for Bird's Custard which doesn't have any egg in it cos his wife was allergic to eggs, if I remember correcty: so Bird's Law could equally go to him (and sometimes I do this on purpose to provoke discussion). But otherwise it should go to ornithology or some such. In what sense is bird law? Robins fight for their territory, pigeons like to cohabit. Si Trew (talk) 10:33, 21 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Refactor as a disambiguation page for all articles on legislation about birds, with Animal law as a "see also". Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:13, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Relisting comment: I'm not sure about a dab, but I'd love to write an actual article here. Any suggestions on sources? I've left a call at WT:BIRDS.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 16:37, 3 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete. Ordinarily, I'd want to retarget to animal law because bird law is just a special case of that, but birds aren't specifically discussed there.  So the reader would be better served by search results.  -- N  Y  Kevin   19:09, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete Users who go to bird law expect to see something in the user's home country, but the target is only about the law in one country. It would be fine to create a disambiguation page with links to various laws or an article about laws in different countries under this title, but until such a page has been created, we should not keep this confusing redirect. --Stefan2 (talk) 21:38, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate, page drafted on the redirect page. Ego White Tray (talk) 04:27, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Good enough for me. Hopefully we can still get an article up there at some point, but this is an improvement. --BDD (talk) 16:48, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with the new dab page.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:23, 5 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Disambiguate: surprisingly high amount of views lands on this page, and there seems to be no solid primary target, so disambiguation seems to be the right choice. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 18:45, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Wpem



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 * The result of the discussion was keep. The default for redirects is to be kept except where they are harmful or for recently created misnomers (WP:RFD). In this case there is no suggestion of harm. The deletion argument is that this shortcut is redundant to Template:WPEM. This is not a valid reason for deletion. Consequently the keeping argument that this is both harmless and a valid lower case version of an existing shortcut carries the day. NAC. The Whispering Wind (talk) 09:27, 20 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Template:Wpem → Template:WikiProject Electronic music (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

useless redirect to save on capitals The Banner talk 11:25, 10 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Mark as alternate capitalisation. Template:WPEM goes to the same target. Template:WpEm and Template:wPem and Template:WpEM do not exist. Just mark it as, and we're done, as any fule kno. Si Trew (talk) 13:44, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Complication is that the original author made many more of this type of template-redirects. See the pages 27 march, 14 April and 15 April. The Banner talk 15:51, 10 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete "WPEM" already exists and has proper SHORTCUT capitalization -- 65.94.171.206 (talk) 06:04, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
 *  Keep  - There is an active discussion about this issue at WT:SHC. Barring a change to something more suitable, this redirect does no harm now that it has been created.  Though consensus may state otherwise at this time, I feel that in most cases, that we do not want a lower case redirect to point to a different location than its upper case counterpart.  Additionally, we have redirects such as albums and songs.  Whoever nominates these should be obligated to correct them manually. --Jax 0677 (talk) 23:07, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

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 * Delete per nom. —  Scott  •  talk  09:58, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep as legitimate lowercase version of an existing shortcut. It is very unlikely that we would be discussing this redirect if another editor had created it. --BDD (talk) 03:50, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
 *  Comment  - There is a similar discussion taking place at WP:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 May 15. --Jax 0677 (talk) 03:21, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
 * delete per nom. Frietjes (talk) 20:41, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 16:36, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

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 * Trout the creator because this redirect is unnecessary, then keep per WP:CHEAP. -- N  Y  Kevin   19:12, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep: no valid deletion rationale. Please, consider listing the rest of them as a single RfD entry next time. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 18:47, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
 *  Comment - Thank you DDC. BTW, in the interest of having better definition for such redirects, I asked for closure of WP:ANRFC more than one month ago.  Would an uninvolved administrator be willing to disposition the discussion? --Jax 0677 (talk) 04:33, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
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<span id="Πεντάγραμμον">Πεντάγραμμον
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 03:09, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Delete. Pentagrams are not especially Greek. Gorobay (talk) 14:33, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Πεντάγραμμον → Pentagram (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * <span id="Πεντάγραμμος">Πεντάγραμμος → Pentagram (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%CE%A0%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CE%AC%CE%B3%CF%81%CE%B1%CE%BC%CE%BC%CE%BF%CF%82&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * <span id="Πεντέγραμμος">Πεντέγραμμος → Pentagram (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%CE%A0%CE%B5%CE%BD%CF%84%CE%AD%CE%B3%CF%81%CE%B1%CE%BC%CE%BC%CE%BF%CF%82&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * Pentagrammon → Pentagram (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pentagrammon&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * Pentagrammos → Pentagram (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pentagrammos&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * Pentegrammos → Pentagram (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pentegrammos&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * Keep while I would not suggest encouraging more creations like this they are harmless, and should not be deleted. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 01:40, 4 June 2014 (UTC).


 * Delete pentagrams are a generic topic with no particular affinity for Greek. WP:NOT Wikipedia is not a translation dictionary -- 65.94.171.126 (talk) 05:23, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per Gorobay. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 18:48, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
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User:Gonzalev1
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 * The result of the discussion was keep. Within policy limits, that this page does not breach, it is up to the user what they do with their own user page. However, the talk page does need fixing since it is clearly confusing to someone trying to leave a message to the user. NAC. The Whispering Wind (talk) 01:14, 25 June 2014 (UTC)


 * User:Gonzalev1 → Diaz Ayala Cuban and Latin American Popular Music Collection (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

Confusing redirect from userspace to an article. Same problem with the talk page. Stefan2 (talk) 14:22, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Fix the talk page (i.e. remove the  header and R from move) and keep the user page.  The user is actively editing the target page, and may be using this redirect for reasons of convenience.  Until they say otherwise, we should leave their stuff alone.  -- N  Y  Kevin   19:17, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep: neither offensive, nor misleading. Let Gonzalev1 decide his own matters. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk•track) 18:51, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep. If Gonzalev1 wants his userpage to redirect to the article, that shouldn't matter to us.  All we really need to do is to edit the talk page: remove the redirect code from it, and add something saying "You can keep this if you want, but if you decide that you don't like it anymore, here's how to change it".  Nyttend (talk) 22:04, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete harmful redirect. This leads people to posting messages for the user at the article or article talk page. As people do occassionally leave messages to users on the userpage instead of the user talk page, this will result in messages on the article page. And if they click talk after clicking on the user link, they end up at the article talk page, and will end up leaving messages there for the user. Further the user talk page redirects to the article talk page, so is very inappropriate, which results in the article talk page containing user talk information already. The user should be apprised to use a subpage for a sandbox instead of their own userpage to avoid such problems. -- 65.94.171.126 (talk) 06:03, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Please do not delete the talk page. It has actual content below the , and RfD is not the appropriate forum for deleting such content (that would be MfD).  (NB: I have already !voted, so this is just a comment).  -- N  Y  Kevin   23:14, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
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Wadewitz
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 * The result of the discussion was converted to Surname page. NAC. The Whispering Wind (talk) 13:20, 3 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Wadewitz → Adrianne Wadewitz (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

Bad redirect, other people have this name too. Also there no indication she commonly known just by this Beerest 2 Talk page 12:40, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
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