Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 March 16

March 16
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on March 16, 2014.

Crash (song



 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was speedy deleted per CSD R3 as implausible typo. Xoloz (talk) 02:41, 17 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Crash (song → Love. Angel. Music. Baby. (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

Seems implausible. Laun chba  ller  21:55, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete as typo. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:37, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment Someone recreated the redirect, though it now points to the dab page -- 70.50.151.11 (talk) 09:23, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
 * An admin A fellow editor, Note that it's to Crash, not the original target. Meteor sandwich yum (talk) 09:25, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
 * For the purposes of that event, you should just think of me as an editor. That was in no way an admin action. Wily D  09:50, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Acknowledged. I guess I just hold admins in high regard Meteor sandwich yum (talk) 22:47, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Speedied again per CSD G4.-- Laun  chba  ller  10:41, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
 * G4 only applies where something was deleted as the result of a discussion (which it wasn't), and where the content is substantially identical (it ain't). Wily D  11:07, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment: If this redirect is resurrected, the target ought to be changed. Crash (song) redirects to Crash (a DAB page). Per principle of least surprise, both should agree with each other. Meteor sandwich yum (talk) 22:52, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
 * NOTE the redirect has been restored -- 70.50.151.11 (talk) 07:35, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment Deleted again Meteor sandwich yum (talk) 00:29, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Remain deleted: Nothing really links to it, and it's very ambiguous. Meteor sandwich yum (talk) 22:58, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
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Ourambhr



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 16:10, 24 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Ourambhr → Gaur Rajputs (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

has effectively recreated and then redirected/moved Ourambhr to Gaur Rajputs. There are no reliable sources for the Ourambhr usage as a synonym nor indeed as a caste community and this was why their previous attempt (as Ouramber) was deleted via PROD. Sitush (talk) 21:45, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Delete - could not find any reliable source / zero google book result for such a term. Delete as per Sitush's arguments Jethwarp (talk) 15:08, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Spelling-inline



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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to Template:Verify spelling. --BDD (talk) 21:35, 3 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Template:Spelling-inline → Template:Copy edit-inline (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

This template redirects to Template:Copy edit-inline (as Template:Spelling redirects to Template:Copy edit). However, Template:Verify spelling seems to be a more appropriate target, as it produces the text

I hesitate to change the redirect's target because I feel that may be less intuitive. It currently only has one transclusion, and could easily be replaced with its target. In short, after repeated mistakes using it myself, I question whether it is being employed in a useful fashion. Request for comments. Meteor sandwich yum (talk) 20:52, 16 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep. I think you are right in your hesitation. You might break a lot of things without meaning to. I have never used either myself. Si Trew (talk) 04:37, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete. I think I have a good grasp on what it would break, but (since it's not being used) it would be more logical to delete it. What I mean is, almost nothing links to it, and both templates are in conflict with each other. Keeping this one won't resolve any confusion. Meteor sandwich yum (talk) 22:55, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
 * There's one use right now. --BDD (talk) 16:12, 24 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Template:Verify spelling. Spelling is part of copy editing, so if an editor is specifically flagging something for review of spelling, there's no need to give it a more general tag. --BDD (talk) 16:12, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. Re-targeted it. I examined the transclusion and it indeed requests spelling, specifically.
 * Can we close this one, then? Meteor sandwich yum (talk) 08:21, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Si Trew, are you alright with this solution? --BDD (talk) 19:35, 3 April 2014 (UTC).
 * Sorry BDD, I am on a week's busman's holiday. Yes, I am fine with that. Si Trew (talk) 21:02, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
 * No worries. I'm glad we've come to agreement. --BDD (talk) 21:35, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
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Subfamily Velociraptorini



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 16:13, 24 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Subfamily Velociraptorini → Velociraptorinae (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

While "Subfamily Veloceraptorinae" is only redundant (see Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2014_March_15), this redirect is incorrect. -ini in zoological nomenclature refers to a tribe, not subfamily. In any case, no reason to suspect at all that Veloceraptors are what someone is searching for when they type "subfamily" into the search bar. --Animalparty-- (talk) 18:45, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per Animalparty. Thanks for finding it. It seemed to me a bit queer, but I am no expert on these matters, or indeed anything. Si Trew (talk) 04:17, 17 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete subfamily on the end of an article's name is not helping anyone. Who would go looking for that? Ned1230  | Whine  | Stalk   14:06, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
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cryptonit



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 16:15, 24 March 2014 (UTC)


 * cryptonit → Kryptonite (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

Delete. The redirect has exactly one article that links to it Namecoin, and that article is NOT using "cryptonit" as a gross misspelling of kryptonite, but instead as the name of an actual existing company https://cryptonit.net/. Chris Arnesen 17:52, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Also a software package: http://sourceforge.net/projects/cryptonit/ --Amontero (talk) 21:25, 16 March 2014 (UTC)


 * I've not heard of it myself and I was a software engineer for thirty years (probably why I haven't heard of it, far too new for me). Checking the site it is just a signiature signing thingy but it does come in several languages so I don't know if it is notable in itself or not? I'd never heard of it but I am not speaking for the other seven billion Si Trew (talk) 04:26, 17 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Ok, Cryptonit.net (as far as I see by checking it without signing up to it) is essentially a rival to Bitcoins. Si Trew (talk) 09:18, 17 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Therefore I should suggest a DAB but neither is particularly notable and the second is a bit WP:PROMO even though it is free software (well under a GNU Public License like Wikipedia is) but this is not notable, I think. Si Trew (talk) 09:24, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Delete 'cryptonite' may be a more common misspelling, but 'cryptonit' is stupid. It's a bitcoin rival, has nothing to do with Kryptonite. Ned1230 | Whine  | Stalk   14:07, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
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Cosmos (TV series)



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 * The result of the discussion was  no consensus . With three comments requesting a keep, three comments requesting a retarget, and no comments since March, there is no consensus about where to direct the title. Jax 0677 (talk) 01:47, 10 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Cosmos (TV series) → Cosmos: A Personal Voyage (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

Two shows named now. Beerest 2 Talk page 16:20, 16 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Cosmos (disambiguation). At the time I created the redirect, there was only one TV series named Cosmos. As there are two now, and I don't think either qualifies as the primary target, the best use of this redirect is to point to the disambiguation page. —C.Fred (talk) 16:30, 16 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Cosmos (disambiguation) per C.Fred. -- Lenticel  ( talk ) 01:59, 17 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Retarget Reasons stated above Ned1230  | Whine  | Stalk   14:08, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep The original series remains WP:PRIMARYTOPIC as far as I'm concerned. The new series is referred to in reliable sources as a continuation or reboot of the original. In the long term, more readers searching "Cosmos (TV series)" are probably looking for the Sagan series. In the meantime, the hatnote there will satisfy those looking for the Tyson one. Should the new series eclipse(space pun!) the original in notability, it may be worth revisiting. --BDD (talk) 16:18, 24 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep. I am familiar with both series, and as pointed above, the original Carl Sagan series is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, being the second one a continuation/reboot. For now it's still too early to discuss about this issue, in the future perhaps the new series could gain the same notoriety as the main one, but that still remains to be seen (and for now the new one has just begun).--Kanon6996 (talk) 21:12, 24 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep. I'm also familiar with both. I was searching this show and expected to be redirected to the Carl Sagan 1980 version with a "for the 2014 series, click xxxxxxx" If "Cosmos (TV Series)" goes to the disambiguation page, it'll require two clicks to get to both pages. Whereas, if you have it direct to the 1980 iconic version, many can get to the page they want. If people are searching the 2014 version, they can click the link above. My take is to have "Cosmos (TV series)" stay redirected to the Carl Sagan original one. I'm going to create "Cosmos (2014 TV Series)" to have it redirect to the new one too. Marty2Hotty (talk) 09:05, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
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Hattori Racing Enterprises



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 * The result of the discussion was The consensus is to delete the redirect as the racing team is not connected to the owner. The racing team is not even discussed on the owner's page. Cheers,  TLSuda  (talk) 14:35, 16 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Hattori Racing Enterprises → Shigeaki Hattori (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]


 * Delete Redirect could plausibly be turned into a full article. Per WP policy, if the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article, and the target article contains virtually no information on the subject, it is better that the target article contain a redlink than a redirect back to itself. D-Day (talk) 13:16, 16 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep. Goes where it should. When the article is created, the R can be replaced by the article. Si Trew (talk) 04:28, 17 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete. The target is about the racing driver, not his racing team; in fact there is not even a mention of the team on the target page. A redirect is inappropriate here and is only confusing to Wikipedia readers. - The Bushranger One ping only 13:07, 17 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete. Delete the redirect. The owner has been retired for a while now and it's not an owner-driver situation. Doctornickel (talk) 18:55, 30 March 2014 (UTC)


 * It's not my area of expertise (in fact nothing is my area of expertise, I just continually bluff that I know something about something) but would the team then be well known by the title? Si Trew (talk) 20:36, 17 March 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm not quite sure what you're asking, but the team is "Hattori Racing Enterprises", and is only known by that name. There is no content about Hattori Racing Enterprises on the Shigeaki Hattori page, and placing it there would be inappropriate as the page is about the person, not his (notable outside of the person) team; it would be akin to having Fisker Automotive → Henrik Fisker, to use an example. - The Bushranger One ping only 12:01, 18 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Please excuse my typos and I do tend to pack the maximum amount of words into the minimum amount of thought. There was another one the other day like this, that the team went to the founder, but I can't remember what it was or the result of it. I am only on a smalll tablet so to search for it while writing this I tend to lose it. Thai Grand Prix is perhaps an analogy and has come up at RfD but it is not that I was thinking of. Si Trew (talk) 06:07, 19 March 2014 (UTC)


 * In cases where the team is run by an owner-driver and never uses any other drivers, then redirecting to the owner-driver's page would be appropriate; but, that isn't the case here (Shiggy being long since retired). - The Bushranger One ping only 06:44, 27 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete to encourage creation. All we have to say about HRE at the moment is that it's owned by Hattori. A reader searching for information on the racing team probably knows this. --BDD (talk) 16:20, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
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