Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 October 20

October 20
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on October 20, 2014.

Tom cruise kills oprah



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 * The result of the discussion was Speedy Delete, R3 by User:CactusWriter Lenticel  ( talk ) 00:47, 22 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Tom cruise kills oprah → Tom Cruise (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

The section which this redirect targets is no longer existent, and with the way that the redirect is titled, it sounds like a WP:BLP violation. Steel1943 (talk) 15:20, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete per WP:CSD G10 (attack page) - TheChampionMan1234 23:35, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete as a potential personal attack redirect. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 02:22, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
 * (Speedy?) Delete as above. Are we allowed to do Speedy now that it's up for discussion? Si Trew (talk) 04:02, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete G10 per above. BLP that is never suitable without sourced mention at target.  野狼院 ひさし  Hisashi Yarouin 12:22, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
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Sophie Hunter (theatre director)



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 * The result of the discussion was keep. It is normal to keep the original page, as a redirect, after a page move both to protect links (external and internal) and as a plausible search term. NAC. The Whispering Wind (talk) 19:46, 27 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Sophie Hunter (theatre director) → Sophie Hunter (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

I don't find this disamb. name for Hunter necessary seeing as how she's the only Sophie Hunter on Wikipedia. If there were multiples, of course keep it up but there is no point LADY LOTUS • TALK 15:14, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep as a perfectly valid R from unnecessary disambiguation. Steel1943  (talk) 16:11, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep per Steel1943. I note Sophie Hunter (theater director), with US spelling, does not exist. Si Trew (talk) 02:54, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep - plausible search term, with no argument for deletion. Wily D 09:13, 22 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Can someone explain to me to the point of having an unnecessary disambiguation, even a template for it? I genuinely don't understand that. LADY LOTUS • TALK 11:10, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Simply put it's because people search for these terms. If you don't know whether the article you are looking for is the primary topic or not, putting a dismabig in the search term guarantees you will get where you want to. The template also exists for cases where the primary topic has changed and disambiguation is no longer needed for the now-primary article (e.g. if Georgia (country) was renamed, then the US State would become the primary topic for "Georgia" and Georgia (U.S. state) would be a redirect from unnecessary disambiguation (and also a ). Thryduulf (talk) 11:57, 22 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep per Steel1943 and to avoid breaking links in prior discussions involving the page. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 15:24, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
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Template:U.S. Secretary box



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 * The result of the discussion was delete all. JohnCD (talk) 15:56, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Delete. All of the transclusions of these redirects have been replaced by direct calls to the target templates. This will reduce the number of templates (and redirects within template space) still needing work as part of the long-running house-keeping effort at WP:SBS/T. Bazj (talk) 12:02, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Template:U.S. Secretary box → Template:U.S. Cabinet official box (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * Template:U.S. Cabinet Official box → Template:U.S. Cabinet official box (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:U.S._Cabinet_Official_box&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * Template:U.S. Representative box → Template:USRepSuccessionBox (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:U.S._Representative_box&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * Template:USRepSuccession box → Template:USRepSuccessionBox (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:USRepSuccession_box&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * Template:USRSB → Template:USRepSuccessionBox (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:USRSB&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]
 * Speedy delete as WP:G6 housekeeping. Si Trew (talk) 02:58, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
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Template:Succesion



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 * The result of the discussion was Speedy Delete, G8. non-admin closure. Deleted by Plastikspork following Templates for discussion/Log/2014 November 2. Bazj (talk) 09:57, 10 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Template:Succesion → Template:Succession (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

Delete. Neither Template:Succesion nor Template:Succession are still transcluded, Template:Succession is awaiting WP:CSD. They've long been deprecated in favour of the standard s-ttl series of templates. This is part of the long-running house-keeping effort at WP:SBS/T. Bazj (talk) 11:51, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Provisional keep wait until the target is deleted first. If the target is deleted, this will automatically follow, if it has not been nominated for separate deletion (or as a cleanup procedure, if it wasn't automatically deleted). If the target is not deleted, then this should not be deleted either. -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 20:11, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment. I added as that does not affect the outcome of this discussion. Si Trew (talk) 04:00, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment. The T3 on Template:Succession has served (way over) its 7 days. For some reason, despite being in the categories Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as unused redundant templates and Category:Candidates for speedy deletion, it's not showing up in either of them, Bazj (talk) 21:09, 30 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment. Just adding this in case someone wakes up by the edit. Not only is it not there (I looked at the source and followed the  and so forth), which is a puzzle, but others that are at Category:Candidates for speedy deletion seem not to have that cat at all, neither via a template nor manually. I'm puzzled. Si Trew (talk) 09:07, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
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Algebraic algebra



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 20:25, 29 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Algebraic algebra → Algebra (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

Such redirect does not make sense, algebraic algebra is a particular algebraic structure (see http://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/index.php/Algebraic_algebra), but algebra is a branch of mathematics. If an article about particular algebraic structure still does not exists, it is not a reason to create redirect to branch of mathematics in which the structure is studies (only abstract algebra studies thousands of different structures and most of them still does not have articles). Bezik (talk) 07:40, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
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टेटु



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 * The result of the discussion was keep. --BDD (talk) 16:36, 29 November 2014 (UTC)


 * टेटु → Oroxylum indicum (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

Google translate says this means "Tait", ( but I'm not sure what its supposed to mean (if anything) - TheChampionMan1234 04:45, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment. flickr.com has a botanical dictionary entry here with it being Marathi language for "tayitu" or "tetu", the Indian trumpet flower (oroxylum indicum). We could (and perhaps should) add that at the target. Whether that means we should keep this R, I don't know. The DAB at tetu has O. indicum as one of its two entries (as being in "marathi language", not "Marathi"); tayitu is an R to O. indicum but is not marked as . Si Trew (talk) 03:12, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep and add entry regarding Si Trew's findings to the article. It seems that the plant is native to the Indian subcontinent so this is probably one of its native names. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 03:22, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep per my comments and persuasion by as a likely native name. Not to pre-empt the discussion, but I've done the minor changes at the R and DAB, and added it to the target, since those don't seem to affect what consensus we may reach on what to do with the R itself. I imagine a good biological dictionary would be a more reliable source than flickr, but that's better than nothing. Si Trew (talk) 03:47, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment I've added a notice at Noticeboard for India-related topics to see if they can weigh in on the Rfd. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 05:47, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
 * At WT:Noticeboard_for_India-related_topics to be precise. Si Trew (talk) 09:01, 21 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment. Taking my cue from the list at target, we have these alternate languages listed, and I've checked out the redirects for them (they are rightly not linked in the article itself):
 * {| class="wikitable sortable"

! R for native name !! native marked with R from alt. lang? !! language !! R for transliteration || trans marked with R from alt. lang?
 * ভাতঘীলা ||  as || Assamese || Bhatghila || not tagged
 * সোনা ||  bn || Bengali || DAB page at sona || not at DAB page
 * ၾကာင္လွ်ာသီး || redlink || Burmese || not given ||
 * भूत वृक्ष ||  hi || Hindi || bhut-vriksha || not tagged
 * दीर्घवृन्त ||  hi || Hindi || dirghavrinta || not tagged
 * कुटन्नट ||  hi || Hindi || kutannat || not tagged
 * मण्डूक ||  hi || Hindi || DAB page at manduk || at DAB page
 * पत्रोर्ण ||  hi || Hindi || patrorna || not tagged
 * पूतिवृक्ष ||  hi || Hindi || putivriksha  || not tagged
 * शल्लक ||  hi || Hindi || shallaka || not tagged
 * शूरण ||  hi || Hindi || article at shuran || hatnoted
 * सोन ||  redlink || Hindi || son ||
 * शोण ||  hi || Hindi || DAB page at son (disambiguation) || not at DAB page
 * वटुक ||  hi || Hindi || vatuk || not tagged
 * ತಟ್ಟುನ || kn || Kannada  || Tattuna || not tagged
 * ಆನೆಮುಂಗು || redlink || Kannada || redlink at Aanemungu ||
 * Devanagari, Kannada and Malayalam || kok || Konkani || davamadak || not tagged
 * टेटु || mr || Marathi || tayitu DAB page at tetu || R tagged at DAB page
 * अरलु || sa || Sanskrit || DAB page at aralu || at DAB page
 * श्योनक || sa || Sanskrit || shyonaka Redlink at dunduka || not tagged -
 * Totila || (si) || "Singhala" (Sinhala) || article at Totila || no hatnote
 * Thotila || (si) || "Singhala" (Sinhala) || ||
 * சொரிகொன்றை || ta || Tamil || cori-konnai || not tagged
 * பாலையுடைச்சி || ta || Tamil || palai-y-utaicci || not tagged
 * பூதபுஷ்பம் ||  ta || Tamil || puta-puspam || not tagged
 * మండూకపర్ణము ||  te || Telugu || manduka-parnamu || not tagged
 * పంపెన ||  te || Telugu || pampena || not tagged
 * శూకనాసము ||  te || Telugu || suka-nasamu || not tagged
 * తుందిలము ||  te || Telugu || not given ||
 * }
 * ಆನೆಮುಂಗು || redlink || Kannada || redlink at Aanemungu ||
 * Devanagari, Kannada and Malayalam || kok || Konkani || davamadak || not tagged
 * टेटु || mr || Marathi || tayitu DAB page at tetu || R tagged at DAB page
 * अरलु || sa || Sanskrit || DAB page at aralu || at DAB page
 * श्योनक || sa || Sanskrit || shyonaka Redlink at dunduka || not tagged -
 * Totila || (si) || "Singhala" (Sinhala) || article at Totila || no hatnote
 * Thotila || (si) || "Singhala" (Sinhala) || ||
 * சொரிகொன்றை || ta || Tamil || cori-konnai || not tagged
 * பாலையுடைச்சி || ta || Tamil || palai-y-utaicci || not tagged
 * பூதபுஷ்பம் ||  ta || Tamil || puta-puspam || not tagged
 * మండూకపర్ణము ||  te || Telugu || manduka-parnamu || not tagged
 * పంపెన ||  te || Telugu || pampena || not tagged
 * శూకనాసము ||  te || Telugu || suka-nasamu || not tagged
 * తుందిలము ||  te || Telugu || not given ||
 * }
 * சொரிகொன்றை || ta || Tamil || cori-konnai || not tagged
 * பாலையுடைச்சி || ta || Tamil || palai-y-utaicci || not tagged
 * பூதபுஷ்பம் ||  ta || Tamil || puta-puspam || not tagged
 * మండూకపర్ణము ||  te || Telugu || manduka-parnamu || not tagged
 * పంపెన ||  te || Telugu || pampena || not tagged
 * శూకనాసము ||  te || Telugu || suka-nasamu || not tagged
 * తుందిలము ||  te || Telugu || not given ||
 * }
 * పంపెన ||  te || Telugu || pampena || not tagged
 * శూకనాసము ||  te || Telugu || suka-nasamu || not tagged
 * తుందిలము ||  te || Telugu || not given ||
 * }
 * తుందిలము ||  te || Telugu || not given ||
 * }


 * Whether all of these redirects are necessary, I don't know. It might be somewhat overkill. The transliteration redirects should, I believe, be tagged as ; they are in an alternative language (but the Latin alphabet). I'm going to check the Interwiki links next, but save this first. Si Trew (talk) 06:10, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I've checked the Interlanguage links and nothing is profitable, although bn:সোনা (Bengali) is "Gold" so that's a bit puzzling. Si Trew (talk) 08:09, 21 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment - In the table above the two Kannada names and their transliterations have been transposed. Imc (talk) 16:55, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Oops, sorry. Fixed it, I think. Si Trew (talk) 18:10, 22 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Kannada ಆನೆಮುಂಗು (ISO15919 transliteration Ānemuṅgu) is in my Kittel dictionary as a name of this plant. Apart from the web (all of which may be from the one source) I can't find any trace of the other name, though my print sources are limited. Imc (talk) 18:57, 23 October 2014 (UTC)Ṣ
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दिनेश परभा शंकर कन



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 16:34, 29 November 2014 (UTC)


 * दिनेश परभा शंकर कन → Danish Kaneria (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

Not a valid alternative name in any language, unless this is a typo. - TheChampionMan1234 04:28, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment. gtrans gave me for the first word "Dinesh", not "Danish", I guess this is just a variant. welt-fakten.de has it, and my German is not very good but considering the name has been Germanized to "Dänisch Kaneria", I presume that is (mostly) a machine translation from the target here at EN:WP. ("leg spin" is translated as "bein spin" for example, but not in its article at "leg spin"). We don't have an article for him at DE:WP. Si Trew (talk) 03:02, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
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