Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 October 7

October 7
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on October 7, 2014.

Bill Casey (baseball)



 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 14:14, 31 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Bill Casey (baseball) → Tommy Casey (baseball) (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

Delete, per reason #2: The redirect might cause confusion. No reliable source indicating that "Tommy" was ever called "Bill". Wbm1058 (talk) 16:39, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:REDLINK]. There does seem to be a separate player by this name. - TheChampionMan1234 06:25, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
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Indonezio



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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus to delete after two months, and I do not foresee consensus becoming clearer as a result of reslisting this discussion. (non-admin closure) Steel1943  (talk) 20:22, 12 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Indonezio → Indonesia (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

Irrelevant language. - TheChampionMan1234 06:44, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Weak delete keep. I'd assumed it was Italian, but actually the Italian for "Indonesia" is "Indonesia". It is at Esperanto WP, though. (eo:Indonezio), and a language article at eo:Indonezia lingvo. Wiktionary also has it, but and  are separate articles over at Wiktionary. We don't have Indonezia here at EN:WP. Si Trew (talk) 06:49, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Wiktionary is organised differently to Wikipedia. Here articles are structured by topic, so we have redirects from alternative spellings. There entries are structured by spelling, so each attested spelling gets its own page (even if that just says "misspelling of ..."). Wikipedia has one article about Sulfur with a redirect from Sulphur, wiktionary has separate entries for wikt:sufur and wikt:sulphur. Wikipedia has many articles for Mercury, Wiktionary has just wikt:mercury with entries for all the different words using that spelling (although it does distinguish wikt:Mercury as a separate word). Thryduulf (talk) 10:38, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I get that, and thanks for saying so. Sulfur might muddy the waters since the IUPAC name is Sulfur not sulphur, on the other hand the IUPAC name is Aluminium not Aluminum, so I am not sure that is a good example. (I am deliberately doing this blind without looking up Wikt somay have one or both the wrong way around). If Wikt does not list the others as alternate spellings, that is simply ridiculous. As I say, I deliberately did not check before posting this; deliberate ignorance. Si Trew (talk) 21:19, 13 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete. There is no reason for an Esperanto redirect to a non-Esperanto-related topic to exist on the English Wikipedia. Gorobay (talk) 22:05, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep - directs readers to the content they're looking for, no reason for deletion, which would only undermine the goal of creating an encyclopaedia. Wily D 12:11, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Our goal is creating an English-language encyclopedia. Readers interested in learning in Esperanto can (and probably already know to) go to the Esperanto Wikipedia. --BDD (talk) 15:30, 29 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete There's no connection between Esperanto and Indonesia that I can see. --BDD (talk) 15:30, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
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한채영- Han Chae Yeong



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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus after 4 months, and has already been relisted once; I do not foresee another relist making the consensus any clearer. (non-admin closure) Steel1943  (talk) 20:28, 12 December 2014 (UTC)


 * 한채영- Han Chae Yeong → Han Chae-young (links to redirect • [ history] • )     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

Another mixed foreign/English name. - TheChampionMan1234 02:06, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Move to 한채영 without leaving a redirect behind; the appropriate redirect should only contain Korean, not mixed such as this. -- 65.94.169.222 (talk) 04:24, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
 * There would not be a need to move this since any registered editor could simply create the suggested redirect right now.--67.68.22.129 (talk) 02:38, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Update this can now be deleted as "한채영" has been created. Unlikely redirect. -- 65.94.169.222 (talk) 05:20, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep. Neither new nor harmful. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 20:55, 22 August 2014 (UTC).


 * Keep per Rich Farmbrough. Deletion would bring no benefits and, as there may be links to this title from outside Wikipedia, there is a chance it might break things and unnecessarily harm Wikipedia or another project. Thryduulf (talk) 00:34, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
 * To make it explicit, my support for this redirect is independent of the existence of "한채영". Thryduulf (talk) 08:59, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
 * TheChampionMan1234, "another"? Can you link to some examples of similar redirects, or their RfDs? I do recall that this sort of thing has come up before, but not what we did with them. --BDD (talk) 13:55, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
 * see Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 August 18, there are two there - TheChampionMan] ][[Special:Contributions/TheChampionMan1234|1234 00:13, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
 * We also have Category:Muhammad (صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم) listed on Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2014_September_28. Not quite the same as that is a cat not an article, but I mention it because it shows that the problem (if it is one) is not exclusive to East Asian alphabets. There've been a few in Cyrillic as well. I think the consensus is generally not to have mixed-language titles, although we've never explicitly said so. Si Trew (talk) 05:18, 7 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Relisting comment: This entry was relisted by user:TheChampionMan1234 who neglected to add this template


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Thryduulf (talk) 10:39, 7 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete because it causes unhelpful clogging-up of results for anyone (whether Korean-literate or not) who puts 한채영 into the search box and waits for autocomplete, and because the English part is a misspelling (not the WP:COMMONNAME in reliable sources, nor official Revised Romanization of Korean which wouldn't put the space in the middle of the given name and even disapproves of unnecessary hyphens ). RFD typically deletes foreign-language misspellings, and in principle I think this case is similar. Taken together I think these two issues cause enough harm to outweigh the problem of breaking hypothetical external links. 61.10.165.33 (talk) 06:45, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete The redundancy of this mixed-script redirect makes it an unlikely search term. Thryduulf, you closed one of Champ's August 18 examples as delete. You're entitled to view this one differently, of course, but did anything change your mind? --BDD (talk) 15:32, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
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