Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 April 15

April 15
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on April 15, 2015.

Unsound mind



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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to Mental disorder. --BDD (talk) 14:51, 22 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Unsound mind → Insanity (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Unsound_mind&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget]/[ delete] ]

Not synonymous. Mr. Guye (talk) 00:31, 8 April 2015 (UTC) *Not sure. The Latin expressiion is Mens sana in corpore sano, sound mind in sound body, and apparently someone once on a bus wrote "mens womens and chidren's sana in corpore sano", but I I would have trouble to RS that. I think Retarget but to Mental health. Si Trew (talk) 16:40, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment. I think I originally created this redirect many years ago.  The basis on which I did it was to clear some redlinks in various articles which used "unsound mind" as a legal term.  I had been tempted to redirect it to an insanity related legal article, but the only one I could find was Insanity in English law which seemed too narrow.  I have no strong views on changing the redirect elsewhere, but it might be worth combing "what links here" to see how the terms is used most frequently on Wikipedia. --Legis (talk - contribs) 01:17, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
 * REtarget to mental disorder -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 11:06, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Retarget to mental disorder per 65.94. It's a legal definition referring to someone who is not mentally healthy (mentally ill); mental illness redirects to mental disorder already. Ivanvector (talk) 15:41, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
 * Stet, keep. No good can come of changing it, by your own evidence. Si Trew (talk) 16:48, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 14:01, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment (to Si, mostly) - "unsound mind" does not refer specifically to the state of insanity; it could also be dementia or coma or a number of other mentally incapacitating conditions. Mental disorder is a better target for this term. Ivanvector (talk) 14:46, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I'll go with that. I think mine is better but either will be better than where it currently stands. Not striking mine above because that would look like faking it, but I say Retarget to Mental disorder per User:Ivanvector. Si Trew (talk) 10:31, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
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X-rayish



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 14:48, 22 April 2015 (UTC)


 * X-rayish → X-ray (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=X-rayish&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget]/[ delete] ]

How can something be "X-rayish"? Mr. Guye (talk) 23:24, 7 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep - The Google Books hits for this term reveal plenty of uses, all comparing something to X-rays. Neelix (talk) 01:39, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Most of those results refer to Brave New World. A neologism from there? It's not important enough to be mentioned in the book's article, at least. --BDD (talk) 18:00, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 13:59, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Some suggested discussion questions: 1) Is this a likely search term? 2) Assuming a reader does search for this term, what is he or she likely seeking? --BDD (talk) 14:00, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete. No, I think the neologism is from [here], which quotes Huxley, and so it has kinda got linked in by reverse if you see what I mean. It's been years since I read Brave New World but I have a good memory and can't remember it being in there: in any case, I think X rays hadn't sorta been discovered when Huxley wrote that (yes technically they had but were not in widespread use where you would put it in a novel). Si Trew (talk) 14:26, 16 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete - X-rays were indeed well known by the time of Huxley, having been in medical use for about 30 years. As I recall, Huxley used this as a term for a deep and penetrating thought, in much the same way Orwell used bellyfeel, though obviously not in the same context. It's a neologism limited to Brave New World but isn't explained there, so probably this redirect should go. Ivanvector (talk) 15:01, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I bow to your better knowledge. It is not so much then a neologism as a nonce word. I'm trying to think of if we have some kind of WP:ISH policy for words ending in "-ish"?
 * We haven't "moreish" but we do have "Moorish" →  Moors
 * We haven't Slavish or Slaveish (I would assume the former spelling the correct one) i.e. one who acts like a slave, not like Slav.
 * We do have a lot of colours that seem rather useless, these I have found so far:
 * Blueish → Blue
 * Greenish →  Green
 * Yellowish → Yellow
 * Orangeish and Orangish  → Orange, which is a DAB for the colour and the fruit.
 * Purplish →  Purple.
 * Pinkish  → Pink.
 * Blackish redirects to Black-ish, a US sitcom.
 * Whiteish → Whiteness but Whitish → White.
 * Greyish and Grayish → Grey.
 * But Reddish is an area that forms part of Stockport Metropolitan Borough Council.


 * Similarly of course we should keep Dawlish, Cavendish, English, Scottish, Irish etc. proper nouns, not suggesting otherwise (before someone thinks I am), nor the reductio ad absurdem of "fish" or "dish"".
 * Have can will worms eh! Presumably these go by the same token, then, if we don't like "-ish"? I bet there are many more but better save before I lose it. Si Trew (talk) 18:51, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
 * If consensus is that "X-rayish" is a nonce word from Brave New World, let's add it to the list at List_of_Newspeak_words and retarget the redirect there. Neelix (talk) 01:32, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
 * But it's not a Newspeak word: Brave New World predates Nineteen Eighty-Four by more than a decade and a half. Si Trew (talk) 06:20, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's not a synonym, it's an entirely different literary universe. Nineteen Eighty-Four and Newspeak have been extensively studied and written about, but the same is not quite true of Brave New World. It's not a word deliberately constructed by a malevolent ruling power to subvert free thought in the proletariat, it's just a word a character sort-of-invents to describe a feeling. Ivanvector (talk) 14:57, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
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Maliciously
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EDGS



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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to Siegerland Airport. --BDD (talk) 14:46, 22 April 2015 (UTC)


 * EDGS → The Ellen DeGeneres Show (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=EDGS&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget]/[ delete] ]

Is this redirect notable enough to be used for The Ellen DeGeneres Show? Personally I was quite confused by the fact that it didn't link to Siegerland Airport. Myname is not dave (talk/contribs) 17:04, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Siegerland Airport per nom and per WP:SURPRISE. I get no hits at all for the TV show when Googling this. In this case the double-redirect-"fix"ing bots seem to actually be fighting over the redirect. Ivanvector (talk) 18:17, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment. I was wondering about edges (a DAB) or EDGE (S and E being both left hand ring finger and a mere slip down). I am not so sure about the airport, although correct, not many people outside the industry would know it by its ICAO code but by it three-letter IATA code SGA, that is what they get on their luggage. (Have you noticed by the way most Canadian airports start with Y, I don't know why, or Y, that is). Si Trew (talk) 19:13, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Are you sure about that? Maybe that has some truth for if it was a international airport, but this airport doesn't even have any scheduled services. Myname is not dave (talk/contribs) 08:30, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
 * There's also being the plural of EDG ; Canadian airports that start with IATA-code "Y" refer to international airports (airports with customs services), per the CFS (Canadian Flight Supplement; a pilots guide to Canadian airports) ; ICAO airport codes for Canada start with "C" prepended to the IATA code. -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 05:08, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I learned something. Si Trew (talk) 06:31, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
 * It is an active airport, despite not having scheduled services, and this is its ICAO code. We therefore have an exact title match, and it seems this is the only one, so redirecting to the airport is more appropriate than trying to guess at a misspelling or acronym for something else. Ivanvector (talk) 15:00, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Close, but no cigar. EDG is a DAB page and I think we should do and list these we have discussed there. Inclined to be WP:BOLD but don't like doing so when things are under discussion, I have manners. No money, but manners. Si Trew (talk) 10:56, 19 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Retarget per nom. The airport is the only common sense "EDGS." Tavix | Talk  23:18, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
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Brak obrama



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 14:45, 22 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Brak obrama → Barack Obama (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Brak_obrama&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget]/[ delete] ]

Delete per WP:RTYPO: Too many typos to be a plausible search term. Tavix | Talk  16:36, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Speedy that up per WP:R3, too unlikely a typo to ever be used. Zeke, the Mad Horrorist  (Speak quickly) (Follow my trail) 17:01, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Nope; R3 requires recent creation as well as implausibility. Just Chilling (talk) 21:30, 16 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete. Unfortunately, this redirect isn't eligible for speedy deletion criterion R3 since it's existed for almost a year. Steel1943  (talk) 17:31, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete as unlikely typo. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:05, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete as all above. i can see myself missing the "A" in his forename but not then, at the same time, inserting the "R" in his surname. Brak Obama and Barak Obrama are red (as are their lowercase variants brak obama and barak obrama. The redirect barak obama was marked as, I am going to change that to . Si Trew (talk) 09:53, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
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HGFS
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List of of Cyprus



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 14:42, 22 April 2015 (UTC)


 * List of of Cyprus → List of Cyprus islets (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_of_Cyprus&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget]/[ delete] ]

This is an implausible search term, and it's not clear why it should redirect here specifically instead of something else Cyprus-related. Reyk YO!  15:01, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Extremely weak retarget to Cyprus (disambiguation) as a misspelling of "List of Cyprus". Ivanvector (talk) 15:46, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete due to the fact that: List of Cyprus is red, there isn't an obvious target, and it is unhelpful as a search term. Tavix | Talk  16:39, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete since Of Cyprus doesn't exist, and is thus confusing due to the repeated word. Steel1943  (talk) 21:30, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per Steely and Tavix. "of of" is not entirely implausible as a typo (and is even grammatical in a very kinda contrived way as a schoolboy exercise, and I think you can manage to get nine if you put some in quotes, but that is just playing: of "of" and so on), but there's no obvious target. We do have lots of lists of things in Cyprus, but none would seem to stand out. There's no List of lists of Cyprus (although we have List of lists of lists for example) so that's no good. Ferenc Liszt never went anywhere near Cyprus so that would be really bad. Si Trew (talk) 10:02, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete as vague and confusing. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:03, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
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Tacünnisa Hatun



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 * The result of the discussion was keep. --BDD (talk) 14:38, 22 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Tacünnisa Hatun → Hatice Halime Hatun (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tac%C3%BCnnisa_Hatun&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget]/[ delete] ]


 * Tacünnisa Hatice Halime Hatun → Hatice Halime Hatun (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tac%C3%BCnnisa_Hatice_Halime_Hatun&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget]/[ delete] ]

A user move Tacünnisa Hatun's page to Hatice Halime Hatun about 5 months ago. I can't find the history of Tacünnisa Hatun's page now. I think that these two persons are completely two different historical figures. That user just moved the page and changed the whole material except creating a new article for Hatice Halime Hatun. I think these two pages should become separated now and Tacünnisa Hatun's page should become restored if it's possible. Tacünnisa Hatun's redirecting to Hatice Halime Hatun's page has no meaning and just makes people confused. Keivan.f Talk 14:18, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment - the article started as Tacünnisa Hatice Halime Hatun (I have added the left over page move redirect) about "the fifth wife of Ottoman Sultan Murad II". The current article is about "the wife of Sultan Murad II". Are you saying that these are actually two different individuals? Interestingly, Murad II's article says he had four wives, then lists three, and the reference provided lists six. A comment on the talk page there suggests that perhaps he married sisters, but gives no reference. So, yes, I'm confused. Ivanvector (talk) 15:39, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes it was really confusing for me at first. Actually I couldn't find this article's history before moving but after seeing it, I checked Turkish Wikipedia and realized that Tacünnisa or Hatice Halime is one individual with the full name Tacünnisa Hatice Halime Hatun. And also most of the time Ottoman sultans had only four wed wives at the same time. The others were concubines. That's why the reference provides six names. I added the name of Murad's fourth wife to his article. It seems that Hatice Halime Hatun and his other wife Hüma Hatun were relatives but I don't know that they were sisters or not. Finally, I don't know what to do with discussion now. Everything is clear, isn't it? Keivan.f  Talk 08:12, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I think the redirect pages can remain now. Keivan.f  Talk 08:15, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, if these are different English names referring to the same person, then we should keep them. Ivanvector (talk) 14:42, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
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Ali Fadavi



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 * The result of the discussion was delete, as the target article has been deleted by AfD. Deryck C. 22:59, 26 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Ali Fadavi → Fadavi Doctrine (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ali_Fadavi&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget]/[ delete] ]

Deletion because the page was redirected Fadavi Doctrine and in the Fadavi Doctrine article did not introduce Ali Fadavi as Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps Navy commander. The redirect was irrelevant and explain about Iranian policy proclaimed by the Ali Fadavi and this person have not notability.Papeli44 (talk) 08:17, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep. Thanks for your contributions, . When a person or topic is known for a notable thing or event or philosophy, but not notable enough on their own to meet our criteria for a separate article, it's normal for us to create a redirect to the thing that they are known for. That is the case here: the Fadavi Doctrine is an Iranian military policy created by and named after Ali Fadavi, so this redirect is appropriate. Based on my own search, it may be that Ali Fadavi in fact does meet the article criteria, and if you would like to contribute an article about him, you can start one in your user space, or create one by editing on top of the redirect if you like. Be bold!
 * For everyone else: I considered whether Fadavi Doctrine was itself article-worthy, and I'm not sure, but I'm also not sure where else it should go. We have a number of possible merge targets, such as Iran–Israel relations, Iran–United States relations, or Iran–Israel proxy conflict. If someone were to start a discussion on that, then this redirect should point to the same place. Ivanvector (talk) 15:25, 15 April 2015 (UTC)


 * comment I've nominated the target for deletion, so the survival of this redirect will depend on that. Mangoe (talk) 17:47, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
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Wounder swan



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 14:35, 22 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Wounder swan → WonderSwan (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wounder_swan&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ retarget]/[ delete] ]

Not a likely typo; "wounder" isn't even a valid word according to my dictionary, much less a valid alternate spelling for "wonder" (even if it were, it would be pronounced with a long O sound and be used to describe one who wounds or has inflicted a wound). Zeke, the Mad Horrorist  (Speak quickly) (Follow my trail) 04:28, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - contribution from a foreign-language-speaking IP apparently, or one with a tenuous grasp of English at any rate. I doubt that attribution depends on this. Ivanvector (talk) 15:02, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete as implausible synonym. The most notable hits that I got are about wounded swan"-- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:07, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Hmm,, that would make sense, and I can see Royal Society for the Protection of Birds as an outside chance (to which RSPB redirects). Since there is the kinda folk tale that a swan can break your arm with a swipe of its wing – which I believe is false – I wonder (or wounder) if we have a better target somehow for swans wounding people? Every now and again a swan does wound someone and it hits the news, but that is just because it is quite improbable (that's what makes it newsworthy), but unfortunately poor things they tend to get wounded more by eating the lead shot of people using it as fishing bait, nor being tied up on a line of people who are coarse fishing in a river. The nearest I got to an RS for "wounded swan" (I realise that is not the R we are discussing) is:
 * A Google Books search brings up this: here at google books in one of John Lydgate's poems published by the Percy Society (I presume something to do with Lord Percy) but the word "wounder" is simply an alternative spelling of "wonder" from I guess 17th c. English, so we are back where we started with that one. Wiktionary is no help as it just lists "wounder" as "one who wounds", where patently this means "wonder", amazing, like WonderWoman. I'm tempted to augment the definition there over at Wikt but don't like to do so while discussions are in progress. Si Trew (talk) 14:17, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment. If you touch type, R and D are on the same finger (middle finger of your left hand) and proximate, so perhaps this is simply . You shouldn't really slip in that way as your index fingers are on the F and the J, but it is possible. Just throwing it out as a possibility. Si Trew (talk) 14:32, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
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Communism (religion)
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