Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 August 22

August 22
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on August 22, 2015.

The Fall Guy (2013 film)



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 13:28, 29 August 2015 (UTC)


 * The Fall Guy (2013 film) → The Fall Guy (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Fall_Guy_(2013_film)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * The Fall Guy (2014 film) → The Fall Guy (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Fall_Guy_(2014_film)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete, another faulty WP:CRYSTALBALL. A film version of The Fall Guy was not released in 2013 or 2014. -- Tavix ( talk ) 19:34, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - I concur. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 01:07, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. Rubbish computer 07:24, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:09, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
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The Little Mermaid (2014 film)



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 13:24, 29 August 2015 (UTC)


 * The Little Mermaid (2014 film) → Joe Wright (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Little_Mermaid_(2014_film)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * The Little Mermaid (2015 film) → Joe Wright (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Little_Mermaid_(2015_film)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No mentions of a 2014 or 2015 film titled "The Little Mermaid" at Joe Wright or at The Little Mermaid (disambiguation) -- Tavix ( talk ) 19:31, 22 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Rubbish computer 07:24, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 05:54, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - I agree. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 21:45, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
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12345678



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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus on best target, default to delete. Various targets have been discussed below with none getting majority consensus. On the other hand, most participants agree that these two numerical sequences can mean a number of things, so I think the default outcome is to delete because they may be confusing. Deryck C. 09:40, 2 September 2015 (UTC)


 * 12345678 → Counting (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=12345678&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * 1234567 → Counting (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1234567&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

These are just a couple of large numbers. They aren't specifically related to counting, although I can see where the creator is coming from. -- Tavix ( talk ) 21:17, 14 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Weak Retarget to Natural Numbers. Integers is broader and includes these numbers, but natural numbers mentions counting numbers right off, and are specifically whole and positive. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 02:02, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Those numbers aren't specifically mentioned there, so I don't see how that would help. It's the same situation, but that target is a little narrower. -- Tavix ( talk ) 02:08, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I'll change it to weak. "1, 2, 3" and "1, 2, 3, 4" are mentioned specifically, so if "123" and "1234" respectively were the redirects in question, I'd feel more strongly about it. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 06:13, 15 August 2015 (UTC)


 * weak keep per Godsy, as "123..." can be considered equivalent to "1,2,3..." or "1-2-3..." in the cases of redirects, since people do write things these ways. -- 67.70.32.190 (talk) 07:10, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Natural Numbers per Godsy. Rubbish computer 11:35, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Not sure about the target but happy with the retarget idea generally. Delete per WP:RFDTavix twisted my arm Si Trew (talk) 00:42, 16 August 2015 (UTC) Since there is no universal agreement on whether natural numbers include zero – as that article says in its lede third para – it would be a little odd (or even) to retarget something starting with "1" to something that includes "0". Often these are written longhand just as N0 and N1 although in formal logic they are often written as as described in Natural numbers. We don't have 01234567 nor 012345678. So perhaps these are WP:RFD confusing. Si Trew (talk) 23:07, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I definitely think they're confusing. There's no way we can guess what someone is looking for here. It could be a lot of things, just ask Google. -- Tavix ( talk ) 23:29, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah. Changed mine above to Delete. We are not Sesame Street. (WP:NOTSESAMESTREET is red.) Si Trew (talk) 00:42, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 05:09, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment I thought I'd see what other titles like this are like:
 * 123 - article about the year with a hatnote to 123 (number)
 * 1234 - article about the year with a hatnote to 1234 (disambiguation)
 * 12345 - a disambig listing (among other things) counting, 13th millennium AD and Arabic numerals
 * 123456 - a redlink with a hotchpotch of search results, none of which are useful for anyone looking for anything about counting, numbers, years or numerals.
 * 123456789 - a redirect to Pandigital number
 * 1234567890 - a redirect to Unix time (23:31:30 UTC on 13 February 2009 was 1234567980 in Unix time)
 * 012 - 0123456 - all redlinks with no articles among the first page of search results
 * 01234567 and 012345678 - redlinks with no relevant articles among the first page of search results
 * 0123456789 - a redirect to number.
 * Based on all that, I think my preference is a single disambiguation page covering all these strings linking to at least number, counting and Arabic numeral. These are the most likely things someone is looking for and the search results are completely unhelpful to everyone. Thryduulf (talk) 13:48, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete I don't see the logic of retargeting to Natural number. As has already been noted, these are also all integers, among other categorizations, if we're taking these as separate numbers. But there's really no reason to—the redirect is not 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8. It's essentially "12,345,678". I don't see a good target for this, or a reason to necessarily treat these as a sequence. It looks like we're seeing what we want to see in these. --BDD (talk) 13:22, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
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Pijiu



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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to Beer in China. --BDD (talk) 13:19, 29 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Pijiu → Beer (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pijiu&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

WP:FORRED; Mandarian Chinese word that does not seem to be used in English as a loanword. Steel1943 (talk) 17:46, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep - Doing a bit of searching, it looks like the term is used as a part of general English language titles for restaurant names and combo meal names. While I guess it's not technically a 'loanword', it seems to be in an ambiguous gray space where someone that doesn't speak Chinese would come across it in regular life. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 18:14, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment. I haven't the resources to look this up, but is this a back formation from pidgin (or, less likely, pi-jaw)?Si Trew (talk) 20:51, 14 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Tetarget to Beer in China; the beer topic with affinity for Mandarin -- 67.70.32.190 (talk) 05:46, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Nominator comment: This works for me. Steel1943  (talk) 20:34, 15 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Beer in China per 67's point. Rubbish computer 11:38, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment. "Pijiu" is not mentioned at Beer in China, so to retarget there would just be just as WP:RFD confusing were we to do so. Si Trew (talk) 00:48, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Si Trew, look at the lede: the word is there, but with diacritics. See the comment by Lenticel below this one. Steel1943  (talk) 03:21, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * weak retarget to Beer in China since the lede says Zhōngguó píjiǔ not Pijiu -- Lenticel  ( talk ) 01:03, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - directs readers to the content they're looking for. A reader searching for Pijiu is almost certainly searching for Beer and not Beer in China, which the search term is not particularly related to.  I would remind people that we're writing an encyclopaedia so that people can find information, which seems to be lost in this discussion. Wily D  15:19, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Beer in China per 67.70. Much more likely that if an English-reading user types the Chinese word for beer, that they want an article on Chinese beer, rather than beer generally. We can add R to diacritics. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 22:29, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment. We don't have an R with the diacritics, though, so I still think it is confusing as is... but of course that would be easy to resolve by adding it and doing the relevant R tagging, were this to be kept. Si Trew (talk) 20:20, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

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List of Late Show with Stephen Colbert episodes



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. There's really no consensus here, but I believe making these links red will facilitate an actual list being written—and no one seems to dispute that the first item here will eventually be an actual article. Contrary to claims made in this discussion, there is no episode list at the target article currently, so as redirects, these titles were doing readers no favors. Please note that the third item was already speedily deleted for other reasons. --BDD (talk) 13:18, 29 August 2015 (UTC)


 * List of Late Show with Stephen Colbert episodes → The Late Show with Stephen Colbert (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Late_Show_with_Stephen_Colbert_episodes&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * List of Late Show with Stephen Colbert episodes (2015) → The Late Show with Stephen Colbert (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Late_Show_with_Stephen_Colbert_episodes_(2015)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="List of The Late Show with Stephen Colbert episodes (2015)">List of The Late Show with Stephen Colbert episodes (2015) → The Late Show with Stephen Colbert (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_The_Late_Show_with_Stephen_Colbert_episodes_(2015)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:CRYSTAL and WP:R since there aren't any The Late Show with Stephen Colbert episodes (yet). This can be recreated when/if there's an episode list, but this is premature. -- Tavix ( talk ) 00:05, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - let's just wait. The show is less the a month away, and we'll probably get the listings for the first few weeks before that. It'll be a useful page in no time, there's no harm in it being a redirect for the time being. Grapesoda22 (talk) 02:14, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * ...but it's not useful yet. It's confusing for the time being because this list doesn't exist. When it becomes necessary, it'll be just as easy to create it from a redlink as it is to convert it from a redirect. -- Tavix ( talk ) 02:34, 14 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Weak keep per Grapesoda22; it's just a month away, so, makework for creation and deletion and creation cycling for not much benefit. Further, webisodes have already been released for Colbert's show. -- 67.70.32.190 (talk) 05:43, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete all per WP:XY: The target is not a list. Si Trew (talk) 08:59, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * I have no opinion, but I think this is the wrong forum. This was a list, which was nominated for CSD (which I declined), and then redirected out of process.  This should be on AfD, not here. -- Y not? 15:54, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * No, because it's currently a redirect. Compassionate727 (talk) 16:09, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Right. It was made a redirect out of process.  If y'all conclude that should not be a redirect, you should revert, not delete. -- Y not? 16:33, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * One of the !vote "options" at RFD is "restore." If consensus wants that list restored, then it shall be restored. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 16:36, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * ...Or "restore then userfy of draftify (if that is even a word)" in order to get it out of the article space without deleting the work done thus far. Steel1943  (talk) 16:55, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Restore 'which of the three redirects? Si Trew (talk) 19:09, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

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 * Move all to draft or userspace so can be quickly restored when needed. Rubbish computer 11:51, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - they can be spun out as needed. Note that every episode is listed at the page, so there's no mismatch here. Wily D  15:20, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

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 * Restore list. If we wait another week, the show will be airing. Just IAR restore it and everyone wins. -- Tavix ( talk ) 16:05, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Never mind, that list was deleted. Just delete the other two per WP:REDLINK then. -- Tavix ( talk ) 00:04, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
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Deeez Nuts
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to Deez Nuts (disambiguation). (non-admin closure) -- Tavix ( talk ) 00:05, 29 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Deeez Nuts → The Chronic (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Deeez_Nuts&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete or retarget The edit filter wouldn't let me fix this redirect. This redirect should not be carrying any categories, since the song already has an article, Deeez Nuuuts. I tried repointing it there with fixed categorization, but it wouldn't let me save. However, we also have several other typo targets, besides the song, being Deez Nuts, Deez Nuts (candidate), and Stone Cold World which also has a song called "Deez Nutz"; all being viable typos for this form. -- 67.70.32.190 (talk) 04:48, 22 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Disambiguate so that we have Deez Nuts (disambiguation), with Deeez Nuts going to the "Deeez Nuuts" song but a note attached about the disambiguation page? I think that makes sense. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 06:26, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Deeez Nuuuts, since we do have an article on this track. Alternately, retarget to a disambiguation page. There's a current discussion on Talk:Deez Nuts about moving the band's article to put a dabpage there. 209.211.131.181 (talk) 13:46, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment I am fine with retargetting to Deez Nuts (disambiguation) which did not exist when I filed this request. All the categories attached to this redirect, and the R xyz templates, will need to be stripped though. -- I am the nominator -- 67.70.32.190 (talk) 04:20, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
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Kobato
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 August 29%23Kobato

Other recent deaths
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 13:12, 29 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Other recent deaths → Deaths in 2015 (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Other_recent_deaths&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The redirect Recent deaths targets the same article as the nominated redirect. Due to this, the nominated redirect creates a confusing circular reference to itself in the event that a reader looks up "recent deaths", then looks up "other recent deaths" hoping to find different information ... but then gets redirected back to the article they were already viewing. Steel1943 (talk) 00:00, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete Time sensitive redirect will be out of date quite frequently. Further, it may refer to deaths not covered on Wikipedia -- 67.70.32.190 (talk) 04:22, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment the argument "Time sensitive redirect will be out of date quite frequently." has been soundly rejected twice at RfD's for the main redirect 29 April 2011, 7 July 2014. Thryduulf (talk) 09:46, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per what is expressed at WP:DATED and WP:RELTIME, as well as above. — Godsy (TALK<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;"> CONT ) 09:47, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete as vague -- Lenticel ( talk ) 05:55, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
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