Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 December 23

December 23
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on December 23, 2015.

Template:Uni-President 7-Eleven Lions List of Managers



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 * The result of the discussion was delete all. As closing admin, I've moved the page history of "Template:Uni-President 7-Eleven Lions Season-by-Season Records" to Talk:Uni-President 7-Eleven Lions/Old template for attribution preservation. Deryck C. 23:22, 2 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Template:Uni-President 7-Eleven Lions List of Managers → Uni-President 7-Eleven Lions (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Uni-President_7-Eleven_Lions_List_of_Managers&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Template:Uni-President 7-ELEVEn Lions List of Managers → Uni-President 7-Eleven Lions (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Uni-President_7-ELEVEn_Lions_List_of_Managers&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Template:Uni-President 7-Eleven Lions Season-by-Season Records → Uni-President 7-Eleven Lions (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Uni-President_7-Eleven_Lions_Season-by-Season_Records&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Template:Uni-President 7-ELEVEn Lions Season-by-Season Records → Uni-President 7-Eleven Lions (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Uni-President_7-ELEVEn_Lions_Season-by-Season_Records&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Template:Uni-President Lions List of Managers → Uni-President Lions (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Uni-President_Lions_List_of_Managers&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Template:Uni-President Lions Season-by-Season Records → Uni-President 7-Eleven Lions (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Uni-President_Lions_Season-by-Season_Records&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

A few years ago, these templates were redirected to the team's article as redundant to content already there. So while a reader simply looking for this information could well be satisfied, the fact that they're cross-namespace redirects makes them substantially misleading and unlikely search terms for article content. Anyone searching for this is more likely looking for an actual template, which they won't find. (Also, hell of a team name.) --BDD (talk) 16:33, 23 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete all plainly harmful, any transclusion will transclude an article and not a template, resulting in many problems -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 11:09, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
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Forever spring



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 15:58, 30 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Forever spring → Wing Chun (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Forever_spring&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Eternal springtime → Wing Chun (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Eternal_springtime&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ] Legacypac (talk) 02:36, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Not at target and very vague. Delete? Legacypac (talk) 12:09, 23 December 2015 (UTC)


 * From skimming over the article I can't see what the connection is, unless this is pinyin for "forever spring", so I'd say Delete unless there is a suitable target. Rubbish computer (Merry Christmas!: ...And a Happy New Year!) 15:41, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
 * When I saw the title of the redirect, I thought of the Fountain of Youth. But, it would probably be better to just delete the redirect as vague. Steel1943  (talk) 16:32, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment: My opinion pertains only to Forever spring. The other redirect, Eternal springtime was added after I made my aforementioned comment. For Eternal springtime, I am neutral since "Eternal spring", a partial match, is mentioned in the target article as an alternate name for the target's subject. Steel1943  (talk) 22:04, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
 * As a general principle, I don't think it's correct to think of one-off translations like this (even those which might be mentioned in sources) as though they were genuine alternative names. One example of this: Google "Wing Chun teacher" in quotes and you get ten thousand GHits, but "Eternal Springtime teacher" gets none, and "Eternal Spring teacher" a bunch of mis-hits (one for a form of tai chi, the rest for coincidental collocations). 210.6.254.106 (talk) 02:07, 25 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete per Steel1943. The close synonym "eternal springtime" (another redirect I wouldn't mind seeing deleted) is indeed mentioned in the lede of Wing Chun, but neither this nor that nor any other attempted translations of foreign proper nouns are likely search terms, as has been the general consensus in many RFDs of this type. Additionally, this isn't the only name which might be interpreted this way: see e.g. Yongchun County, Weng Chun, or for that matter Changchun which is sometimes liberally-translated as "Eternal Spring" as in Eternal Spring Shrine, and that's just covering Chinese not a few thousand other languages on Earth. 210.6.254.106 (talk) 16:40, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I've added the second redirect. Legacypac (talk) 02:38, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
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Disapproval
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 January 3%23Disapproval

Ἐξηγεῖσθαι



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 15:50, 30 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Ἐξηγεῖσθαι → Exegesis (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E1%BC%98%CE%BE%CE%B7%CE%B3%CE%B5%E1%BF%96%CF%83%CE%B8%CE%B1%CE%B9&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The Greek word that is the source of the Greek word that is the origin of the English word, assuming the article is correct and this can be sourced. If you know Greek you don't need this redirect because you already know the word. If you don't know Green it's useless. The same Greek word is the root of the root of Eisegesis which is an opposing method to Exegesis so we have an X:Y situation. By Neelix. Legacypac (talk) 11:46, 23 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete as, not being the article's exact title in Greek, this appears too vaguely connected. Rubbish computer (Merry Christmas!: ...And a Happy New Year!) 15:46, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - WP:RFOREIGN; no affinity for Greek. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 16:57, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep, it's mentioned in the article as the etymology for "exegesis." I've successfully argued in the past that etymology is a strong enough affinity to satisfy WP:RFOREIGN. -- Tavix ( talk ) 18:55, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
 * but it is also the source of the opposite word. Are you sure? Legacypac (talk) 02:30, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh, wow. That's crazy. I've stricken my !vote. -- Tavix ( talk ) 03:00, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
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Puzzlement
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 January 3%23Puzzlement

Lack of resources



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 15:49, 30 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Lack of resources → Aporia (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lack_of_resources&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Common phrase, not a useful redirect to here. I expected poverty Legacypac (talk) 11:37, 23 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete as there appears to be no suitable target. Rubbish computer (Merry Christmas!: ...And a Happy New Year!) 15:50, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Redirect to resource depletion. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 18:04, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Not sure about that. A "lack of resources" doesn't happen just because of "resource depletion": there could also be a lack of resources if sufficient resources did not exist to begin with, meaning in that case, it would not be the result of depletion. Steel1943  (talk) 23:20, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
 * That's a good point. I am going to change my vote to delete. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 19:59, 25 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom and my opposition to retargeting to Resource depletion above. Steel1943  (talk) 23:23, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I dislike resource depletion as well - There is a lack of orange tree resources in Canada and ice resources in Tahiti, which have nothing to do with depletion. Legacypac (talk) 23:27, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
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Collaborative literatures



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 15:43, 30 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Collaborative literatures → Collaborative writing (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Collaborative_literatures&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

In among about 20 slight variation on the title redirects my Neelix, this one jumped out as bad grammar. Legacypac (talk) 11:34, 23 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete as an implausible search term. Rubbish computer (Merry Christmas!: ...And a Happy New Year!) 15:49, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
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Saving Your Marriage Before It Starts: Seven Questions to Ask Before - and After - You Marry



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 * The result of the discussion was keep last item per consensus; keep but WP:NPASR first five items as contested; delete others as uncontested. Deryck C. 23:26, 2 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Saving Your Marriage Before It Starts: Seven Questions to Ask Before - and After - You Marry → Saving Your Marriage Before It Starts (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Saving_Your_Marriage_Before_It_Starts:_Seven_Questions_to_Ask_Before_-_and_After_-_You_Marry&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Saving Your Marriage Before It Starts: 7 Questions to Ask Before - and After - You Marry → Saving Your Marriage Before It Starts (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Saving_Your_Marriage_Before_It_Starts:_7_Questions_to_Ask_Before_-_and_After_-_You_Marry&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Saving Your Marriage Before It Starts: 7 Questions to Ask Before and After You Marry → Saving Your Marriage Before It Starts (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Saving_Your_Marriage_Before_It_Starts:_7_Questions_to_Ask_Before_and_After_You_Marry&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Saving Your Marriage Before It Starts: Seven Questions to Ask Before and After You Marry → Saving Your Marriage Before It Starts (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Saving_Your_Marriage_Before_It_Starts:_Seven_Questions_to_Ask_Before_and_After_You_Marry&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Saving Your Marriage Before It Starts: 7 Questions to Ask Before (and After) You Marry → Saving Your Marriage Before It Starts (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Saving_Your_Marriage_Before_It_Starts:_7_Questions_to_Ask_Before_(and_After)_You_Marry&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * 7 Questions to Ask Before - and After - You Marry → Saving Your Marriage Before It Starts (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=7_Questions_to_Ask_Before_-_and_After_-_You_Marry&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Seven Questions to Ask Before - and After - You Marry → Saving Your Marriage Before It Starts (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Seven_Questions_to_Ask_Before_-_and_After_-_You_Marry&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * 7 Questions to Ask Before and After You Marry → Saving Your Marriage Before It Starts (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=7_Questions_to_Ask_Before_and_After_You_Marry&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Seven Questions to Ask Before and After You Marry → Saving Your Marriage Before It Starts (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Seven_Questions_to_Ask_Before_and_After_You_Marry&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * 7 Questions to Ask Before (and After) You Marry → Saving Your Marriage Before It Starts (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=7_Questions_to_Ask_Before_(and_After)_You_Marry&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Seven Questions to Ask Before (and After) You Marry → Saving Your Marriage Before It Starts (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Seven_Questions_to_Ask_Before_(and_After)_You_Marry&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Saving Your Marriage Before It Starts: Seven Questions to Ask Before (and After) You Marry → Saving Your Marriage Before It Starts (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Saving_Your_Marriage_Before_It_Starts:_Seven_Questions_to_Ask_Before_(and_After)_You_Marry&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Long list of variations on a book title by Neelix. These just make the book page harder to find. Legacypac (talk) 11:25, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Strong keep the last one, which is a valid R from long name. No opinion on the others at this time. --BDD (talk) 14:46, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep the last one per BDD. Rubbish computer (Merry Christmas!: ...And a Happy New Year!) 15:52, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Weak keep the first five as plausible variations of the full name, Delete the others except the last one as implausible, being a different part of the same name. Rubbish computer (Merry Christmas!: ...And a Happy New Year!) 15:56, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
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Chirpingly



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. Ca-caw! --BDD (talk) 15:31, 30 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Chirpingly → Chirping (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chirpingly&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Chirrupingly → Bird vocalization (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chirrupingly&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Neelix creations - not actual words. Legacypac (talk) 11:21, 23 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete. Nope, nada, no can do. Softlavender (talk) 11:24, 23 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete as implausible search terms. Rubbish computer (Merry Christmas!: ...And a Happy New Year!) 15:51, 23 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Deletingously per nom as confusing. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 02:25, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
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WGWYLS



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 15:23, 30 December 2015 (UTC)


 * WGWYLS → When God Writes Your Love Story (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=WGWYLS&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

It is occasionally used as a hashtag, but searches show no reliable sources for that. Delete as not very useful. Legacypac (talk) 11:11, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete. This is just spam for Neelix's favorite book and his pet FA. Softlavender (talk) 11:14, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
 * There are a bunch more for the same target too. Legacypac (talk) 11:31, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
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To begin



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 15:21, 30 December 2015 (UTC)


 * To begin → People's Socialist Revolutionary Party (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=To_begin&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

What was Neelix thinking? "The party's acronym "HASI" means "to begin" in Basque language" Delete or can someone thing of a better target? Legacypac (talk) 10:53, 23 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete. Misleading and inappropriate for such a common phrase. Might as well have redirected it to A Christmas Carol. -- Softlavender (talk) 11:00, 23 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete as there appears to be no suitable target. Rubbish computer (Merry Christmas!: ...And a Happy New Year!) 15:53, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. Too tenuous a link and not a plausible thing to search while looking for the article. — Bilorv(talk)(c)(e) 22:57, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete as confusing at best -- Lenticel ( talk ) 02:26, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
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Bondage gear



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 * The result of the discussion was retargeted by DragonflySixtyseven. --BDD (talk) 14:53, 31 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Bondage gear → BDSM (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bondage_gear&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Propose retargeting to List of BDSM equipment. More specific target. sst✈(discuss) 09:19, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Good - just do it. Legacypac (talk) 10:49, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom. Rubbish computer (Merry Christmas!: ...And a Happy New Year!) 15:53, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Support nom's proposal -- Lenticel ( talk ) 02:27, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Retarget to List of BDSM equipment per nom. — Godsy (TALK<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;"> CONT ) 08:25, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
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