Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 December 27

December 27
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on December 27, 2015.

File talk:Bobby Mathews.jpg



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 18:02, 3 January 2016 (UTC)


 * File talk:Bobby Mathews.jpg → File talk:Robert T Mathews Photo.jpg (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File_talk:Bobby_Mathews.jpg&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Confusing redirect. The target talk page belongs to a different image. Stefan2 (talk) 22:35, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
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Laurence Scott



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 * The result of the discussion was wrong forum. In the future, please use WP:RFPP. In this instance, it looks like the request has been made, so I'm closing this now. (non-admin closure) -- Tavix ( talk ) 23:14, 27 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Laurence Scott → Laurence Henry Scott (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Laurence_Scott&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

someone please create a redirect from Laurence Scott to Laurence Henry Scott Joeykai (talk) 21:33, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
 * You should be a able to create it yourself. RFD is used when someone is suggesting deleting or a redirect or discussing a potentially controversial change of what something should redirect to.--67.68.23.129 (talk) 22:34, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
 * You're right about the purpose of RFD, but he can't make it because the title's been protected from creation for years. A discussion was made by over at the correct venue, which is WP:RFP. Discuss-Dubious (t/c) 23:06, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
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Monafiqeen-e-Khalq Surrender (2003)



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 17:59, 3 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Monafiqeen-e-Khalq Surrender (2003) → People's_Mujahedin_of_Iran (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Monafiqeen-e-Khalq_Surrender_(2003)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I'm not here to defend the group, but I can't find any RS that use this name(a pejorative name for the group), much less in the context in which it is used, so these redirects might not be useful. Propose deletion until we can. Discuss-Dubious (t/c) 18:34, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Surrender of Monafiqeen-e-Khalq (2003) → People's_Mujahedin_of_Iran (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Surrender_of_Monafiqeen-e-Khalq_(2003)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
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Chris maurice brown



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 * The result of the discussion was retarget as proposed. Deryck C. 23:39, 6 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Chris maurice brown → Chris Brown (disambiguation) (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chris_maurice_brown&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Propose retargeting to Chris Brown since it is the primary topic. sst✈discuss 15:59, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment/Question: Are there any other biographical subjects on Chris Brown (disambiguation) who have the middle name "Maurice"? Steel1943  (talk) 17:12, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Pinging Hahc21 since they were the editor who retargeted the redirect to the disambiguation page. Steel1943  (talk) 17:16, 28 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Strong retarget per nom. There's no indication of anyone else by this name. I went through all of the other articles on the dab for the discussion below and found there was only one other entry with the middle initial M, and that was for Mark. I'm not sure how likely this is a search term, but my confidence that someone using it is looking for Chris Brown is approaching 100%. --BDD (talk) 17:58, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
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Christopher M. Brown



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 * The result of the discussion was retarget as proposed. Deryck C. 23:38, 6 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Christopher M. Brown → Chris Brown (disambiguation) (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christopher_M._Brown&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Propose retargeting to Chris Brown since it is the primary topic. sst✈discuss 15:59, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment/Question: Are there any other biographical subjects on Chris Brown (disambiguation) who have the middle initial "M"? Steel1943  (talk) 17:12, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes. There's Chris Brown (cricketer, born 1973) (Christopher Mark). Tough call for me since this doesn't seem like a very likely search term for either. It should probably go wherever "Christopher Brown" ends up going. --BDD (talk) 17:55, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Pinging Hahc21 since they were the editor who retargeted the redirect to the disambiguation page. Steel1943  (talk) 17:16, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
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Brown, Chris



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 * The result of the discussion was retarget. --BDD (talk) 20:52, 5 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Brown, Chris → Chris Brown (disambiguation) (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Brown,_Chris&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Propose retargeting to Chris Brown since it is the primary topic. sst✈discuss 15:59, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Support per nom; this change should have been made when the primary topic determination for "Chris Brown" was made. bd2412  T 16:43, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom. --Rubbish computer (Merry Christmas!: ...And a Happy New Year!) 18:05, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 18:29, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom. Steel1943  (talk) 17:39, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
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Christopher Brown



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 * The result of the discussion was keep. Deryck C. 23:48, 5 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Christopher Brown → Chris Brown (disambiguation) (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christopher_Brown&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Propose retargeting to Chris Brown since it is the primary topic. sst✈discuss 15:59, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The singer is rarely known as "Christopher", while there are other subjects on the page who are known as "Christopher" rather than "Chris". An alternative solution might be to split the page and have a separate disambiguation page for people primarily known as "Christopher Brown". bd2412  T 16:42, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep per BD2412. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 18:30, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep per BD2412. Steel1943  (talk) 17:39, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
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Chris Brown (singer)



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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus, default to keep. Deryck C. 23:37, 6 January 2016 (UTC)


 * <span id="Chris Brown (singer)">Chris Brown (singer) → Chris Brown (disambiguation) (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chris_Brown_(singer)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Propose retargeting to Chris Brown as R from unnecessary disambiguation sst✈discuss 15:55, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. bd2412  T 16:41, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - this could equally refer to Chris Brown (Canadian musician) or Chris Brown; both the possible targets are listed at the disambiguation, hence the current target is appropriate. — Godsy (TALK<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;"> CONT ) 18:29, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep per Godsy: The redirect is ambiguous. Steel1943  (talk) 16:51, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
 * It hasn't been suggested that this is unambiguous. Chris Brown is the primary topic, and is also the primary topic for singers called Chris Brown. Peter James (talk) 23:05, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
 * ...And if someone cares to add a disambiguator to their search term, even if the term describes the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, if the disambiguator is ambiguous, they may not be looking for the primary topic. Steel1943  (talk) 17:38, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
 * But Steel1943, look at all the incoming links. None from mainspace, sure, but I think that demonstrates that since this was a former title of the article, there could be a lot of links on other sites. Even if the aforementioned Canadian didn't exist, an article on, say, a Malian singer by this name would have to be at "Chris Brown (Malian singer)". This is precisely what R from unnecessary disambiguation is for. Ignoring external links for a moment, a reader typing in this phrase as a search term might be looking for something else, as you indicated, or they might logically conclude that "Chris Brown" is a very common name and try adding a qualifier to make sure they get what they're looking for. Again, this is why we have redirects from unnecessary disambiguation in the first place. --BDD (talk) 17:51, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, BDD, though my opinion differs in the matter. For one, I don't believe that Wikipedia should cater to outdated external links in cases like this, considering that the link hasn't been broken, but rather requires one extra step to get to the intended target (clicking on Chris Brown from the disambiguation page.) But mainly, I just don't believe that any redirect designated a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT should have a disambiguator as part of its title due to possibly being misleading. Granted, I know there are cases that go against my belief (ex. Thriller (album)), but I don't agree with those either. Also, in the case of the nominated redirect, I don't believe that R from unnecessary disambiguation would be inappropriate even if this redirect targeted Chris Brown since the redirect with the disambiguator is a match for a disambiguator of subjects of other articles. Steel1943  (talk) 18:06, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Ugh. "Thriller (album)" is an abomination and needs to be stopped. That's kind of the opposite problem, though, and it sounds like we'll have to agree to disagree here. --BDD (talk) 18:18, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
 * The best example I could find that relates to this discussion would probably be The Eagles. It turns out that WP:PDAB is a bit lacking on explaining the precedence for the retarget option you are supporting in this discussion. The concern about redirecting redirects with ambiguous disambiguators to titles with more precise disambiguators as a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT was previously discussed at Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation, but it doesn't seem that consensus was ever formed. Steel1943  (talk) 18:31, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I was just looking at the discussion I linked above, and seemed to have found a better example that goes in line with redirecting the nominated redirect to Chris Brown: Michael Jackson (singer) (though I still disagree with this one as well.) Steel1943  (talk) 18:37, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's an accident that you see redirects like this one or that one, but not ones like, say, Barack Obama (politician) or Dick Butkus (American football). A reader doesn't have to be around very long to learn that we often disambiguate titles. They might well expect even famous figures to have them for common names—I went to school with a Chris Brown, for example—but not more unique ones. This past November, this redirect had 275 views, and the Michael Jackson one had 401. There probably isn't a way to confirm exactly what readers were looking for there, however. --BDD (talk) 16:13, 4 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Retarget per nom. Primary topic for the name, and best known as a singer. --BDD (talk) 17:51, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
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Upcoming ASAP Rocky studio album
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy deleted per criterion G7 by 78.26. Steel1943  (talk) 18:12, 28 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Upcoming ASAP Rocky studio album → ASAP Rocky (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Upcoming_ASAP_Rocky_studio_album&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The redirect implies that ASAP Rocky has an upcoming studio album. However, now that At. Long. Last. ASAP has been released, that is no longer true. Delete as misleading. -- Tavix ( talk ) 08:02, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete misleading. Peter James (talk) 09:53, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete That's all. I should've never made this redirect in the first place. DBrown SPS (talk) 12:48, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Health Sciences basic topics
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Medicine that is harmful and ineffective
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 17:44, 3 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Medicine that is harmful and ineffective → Medicine (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Medicine_that_is_harmful_and_ineffective&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I've got a feeling that someone searching for this is looking for something in more detail than just an overview of medicine. Do we even cover this topic? -- Tavix ( talk ) 07:37, 27 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Retarget to snake oil or quackery? There may be an article about fraudulent medicines in general, but I haven't been able to find it. If I were to choose one or the other as a target, I would choose quackery. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 15:57, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete. Fails WP:NPOV and is ambiguous. Steel1943  (talk) 16:53, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per Steel, having read the original article content. Discuss-Dubious (t/c) 01:06, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Qwertyuiop
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 17:42, 3 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Qwertyuiop → Wikipedia:Sandbox (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Qwertyuiop&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I can't imagine what this string of letters has to do with the sandbox, unless it was used to test something. Absent a good retargeting suggestion, I think it should be deleted as nonsense--possibly per WP:G2. -- Tavix ( talk ) 07:30, 27 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Keyboard shortcuts, since that title has more to do with the keyboard. bd2412  T 16:46, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I had briefly considered that as well as Shortcut directory before deciding that it's too much of a stretch, and wouldn't be helpful since there aren't any shortcuts dealing with "qwertyuiop." -- Tavix ( talk ) 17:04, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
 * That is actually surprising. bd2412  T 19:15, 28 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. — Godsy (TALK<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;"> CONT ) 20:52, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
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<span id="沙盒">沙盒
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Soybeanwind
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 17:41, 3 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Soybeanwind → Dabo Swinney (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Soybeanwind&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Soybean wind → Dabo Swinney (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Soybean_wind&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This is an old joke from Last Week Tonight, where John Oliver pointed out that Dabo Swinney is an anagram of "soybean wind" so he could say that Swinney "seems about as pleasant as an edamame fart." As that can be taken offensively, I think these redirects should be deleted per WP:R. -- Tavix ( talk ) 05:15, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
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Administrative alerts
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 17:40, 3 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Administrative alerts → Warning system (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Administrative_alerts&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Adminstrator alerts → Warning system (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Adminstrator_alerts&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete - these were created as cross-namespace redirects to Administrator intervention against vandalism but were retargeted to an article that doesn't mention these. They may have been intended with the project namespace prefix but I can see nothing similar there and this isn't a common name for AIV or something that clearly refers to it. The closest I can find in project namespace are the WP:ALERTS shortcut to Article alerts, and Vandalism (Current alerts) which redirects to the historical page Requests for investigation). Peter James (talk) 01:32, 27 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete both. These could refer to a number of things, including administrative alerts in Windows XP and alerts published by administrative agencies. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 02:37, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete both - ambiguous cross-namespace redirects. Kimchi.sg (talk) 05:41, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
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Medical Foundation
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