Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 December 3

December 3
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on December 3, 2015.

Authoritative females

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was Speedied per SNOW and as blatantly inappropriate. Newyorkbrad (talk) 20:48, 4 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Authoritative females → BDSM (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Authoritative_females&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

For a change, a redirect that makes me cringe that wasn't created by Neelix. I can't begin to say how inappropriate the notion that "authoritative females" has a purely sexual meaning is. (FWIW, a Google search on doesn't have a single BDSM-related page in the first ten pages of results, and indeed no sexual content of any kind other than "6 Ways To Avoid Sex With Girls Forever".) Personally, I think at least 75% of the incoming redirects to BDSM could be deleted and nothing of value would be lost, but they're different enough that they should probably be debated separately. &#8209; Iridescent 22:49, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Obvious delete per nom. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 02:43, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete, unless anyone wants to redirect to Power of Women. Johnbod (talk) 02:44, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete nonsense; matriarchs do not necessarily practice BDSM -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 04:44, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete as useless. Legacypac (talk) 05:48, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete as vague. Authoritative may have a non-sexual meaning -- Lenticel ( talk ) 06:37, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - creepy —Мандичка YO 😜 20:32, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
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Vodka and Coke



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. WP:INVOLVED close given unanimous consensus after a full listing period and then some. --BDD (talk) 20:32, 14 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Vodka and Coke → Vodka (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vodka_and_Coke&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This cocktail isn't mentioned in any form at the target article, and isn't a particularly well-known one. Redirecting to vodka doesn't make any more sense than redirecting to Cola, so in that sense, this is a true WP:XY. BDD (talk) 21:34, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:XY ... and WP:REDLINK. Steel1943  (talk) 02:34, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
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Nudistically



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 * The result of the discussion was Speedy delete no prejudice against recreation of plausible terms by any user in good standing. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:15, 5 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Nudistically → Naturism (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nudistically&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Naturistically → Naturism (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Naturistically&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Naturistical → Naturism (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Naturistical&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

&#8209; Another of Neelix's made-up words ‑ Iridescent 19:56, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Naturistic → Naturism (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Naturistic&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * (General note: the instructions for multiple nominations are virtually incomprehensible. I like to think I have a reasonable knowledge of both Wikipedia and Wikitext syntax, and it took me three attempts to post this nomination correctly.) &#8209; Iridescent 20:03, 3 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Speedy delete all. I think we decided on ANI that Neelix-created redirects should be speedied where there's no meaningful argument for keeping them, in order to avoid deluging RfD. There's certainly no basis to keep these (although I suppose "naturistic," unlike the others, is at least an actual word). Newyorkbrad (talk) 20:07, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't believe we ever got consensus for that; IIRC the consensus was to send them all here, in case the RFD folks could think either of reasons to keep them, or legitimate topics to retarget them towards. (I did speedy Tumourous titties and its ilk, but those had literally no prospect of ever being saved.) &#8209; Iridescent 20:15, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
 * The later discussion I'm thinking of is here. Newyorkbrad (talk) 20:19, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, hadn't seen that. Neelix discussions really are the gift that keeps on giving, aren't they? &#8209; Iridescent 20:29, 3 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Speedy Delete G6 Housekeeping Neelix redirects. Not sure how I missed these.  You nom'd them correctly.  It took me a bit to figure out too, but now I use Twinkle to nominate each one, then delete the headings and signatures between them.  I put the reasons only on the first redirect nominated because it ends up at the bottom. The last nominated redirect ends up as the title for the series.  Legacypac (talk) 21:29, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep "naturistic;" Merriam-Webster defines the term as "of, relating to, or resembling naturism." Delete the rest as implausible. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 02:41, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete all - Oxford defines naturistic as "characteristic of naturism or nature; relating to the natural order of things;" all of which are plausible but it's still an utterly useless redirect - nobody looking for these things would ever do a search for "naturistic." "Stupid words Neelix made up" is a more plausible search. —Мандичка YO 😜 23:19, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
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Local road



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 * The result of the discussion was retarget. Thanks,, for finding a more reasonable target. (non-admin closure) sst✈(discuss) 11:39, 10 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Local road → Frontage road (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Local_road&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Too vague a term. A frontage road could certainly be called a local road, but so could many other types of roads. I'm not seeing any better alternatives at types of road. BDD (talk) 15:04, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
 * It could redirect to side road which, based on the current content, would be less bad. But side road is not that great an article, either.  Both titles strike me as common phrases better handled by Wiktionary than by Wikipedia.  I'm thinking overwrite with a redirect to Wiktionary .  Rossami (talk) 18:59, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Indeed, Side road was the original target of the redirect. Wiktionary does not have a page for local road, however, and likely wouldn't under its current standards, which only define "idiomatic" phrases. Since a local road is just a road which is local, it doesn't fit the criterion. --BDD (talk) 20:18, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Fair point. Retarget per below.  Rossami (talk) 04:35, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete I deal with this term regularly. It has a specific legal meaning in my area - everything that is not a Highway, Collector Road, or Private Road is a Local Road (so 95% of roads). Frontage roads might or might not be local roads, but very few local roads are frontage roads Legacypac (talk) 21:40, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete (per WP:REDLINK ... see following comment) or Create a list/disambiguation/SIA page . As Legacypac states, the term means different things in different places, but that alone should be sufficient for there to be an actual page at this title explaining the differences. Steel1943  (talk) 02:36, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Hierarchy of roads per Legacypac's research below. Good find! Steel1943  (talk) 00:43, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per Legacypac. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 02:38, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I am changing my vote to retarget to Hierarchy of roads per Legacypac. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 21:36, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Strong delete WP:BIAS lots of different types of local roads, including streets -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 04:44, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment: "Retargeting to Street" was actually my original opinion until I read Legacypac's comment. This term obviously means something to a point to where there are page views. For example, Google Map Maker uses the term "local road" to describe roads in a city/town that has local traffic, but is not a heavy amount of regular traffic, but not roads that are not outlets to lead to other major roads. (Then again, it also uses the term "terminal road", and I'm still not sure if there is an encyclopedic subject which that could refer.) In essence, this term means something, and it is searched. But ... what needs to be here? (Si Trew has been absent for a few days; otherwise, he might be able to come up with something "on the fly".) Steel1943  (talk) 19:26, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Been thinking what an article might say-can't come up with more then A local road is a road designed to carry local traffic. It is not a collector road, highway or privately owned road. Source to any local government road classification bylaw. There just is little to say beyond the obvious. Legacypac (talk) 21:42, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but since everyone in this world is different, what is obvious to us may not he obvious to everyone else; for this, we have Wikipedia. Maybe even a "stub-class" article would be sufficient for now since something is better than nothing (provided that it doesn't fail WP:NOTDIC, which was why I think some sort of list may be more appropriate.)  Steel1943  (talk) 22:55, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 * road classification is a bad target, covering numbered highways around the world. Maybe not the best title for that topic. Road classification is a bit of a science, maybe traffic engineering would be good? Legacypac (talk) 23:02, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Got it (several links deeper from traffic engineering). Hierarchy of roads puts local road in context with other types of roads quite well and that is useful info. Problem solved. Legacypac (talk) 23:08, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - all roads are local to their area!!! —Мандичка YO 😜 23:20, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Hierarchy of roads per Legacypac's findings. -- Tavix ( talk ) 21:30, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I've done the retarget now but not closed the debate. If someone comes up with something better it can be changed. Legacypac (talk) 22:25, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
 * , it's the job of the closer to perform the retarget, as they are the ones who determine the consensus. Just be patient and let them do their job. (it's not that big of a deal, just don't get in the habit of doing so when you're biased.) -- Tavix ( talk ) 22:53, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment: I just noticed the existence of Local roads in Ireland. Maybe that could be a good reference for defining the term? Steel1943  (talk) 19:13, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
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Pitayo de Mayois



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 20:30, 14 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Pitayo de Mayois → Stenocereus griseus (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pitayo_de_Mayois&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete. Implausible typo as a search term. Resulted from typo in this diff that was lacking a space between "Pitayo de Mayo" and "is" Plantdrew (talk) 04:47, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

Delete - as above, it's simply a mistake. BTW Pitayo de mayo already exists as a redirect. Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:51, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
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Lord of Love



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 20:31, 14 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Lord of Love → Jesus (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lord_of_Love&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I don't think this is a common nickname for Jesus and it seems pretty vague. There may be a couple candidates at List of love deities, although "Lord" isn't mentioned there. -- Tavix ( talk ) 01:31, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete not one of Jesus' titles according to Names and titles of Jesus in the New Testament. Closest synonyms that I got was for the Judeo-Christian God Jehovah Shalom (The Lord Is Peace) and Jehovah Sabaoth (The Lord of Hosts) -- Lenticel ( talk ) 01:36, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
 * delete or disambiguate WP:BIAS Christian bias. There are many lords of love. -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 06:11, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
 * There's a 1991 book called Chenrezig, Lord of Love: Principles and Methods of Deity Meditation. Chenrezig redirects to Avalokiteśvara, but I'm not sure how much this title is associated with that deity. There's at least one Christian church called Lord of Love, and I'm suspecting it does refer to Jesus in that case, but that doesn't mean it's a common term for Jesus. Especially in Christian hymns or prayers, you could have all sorts of made-up titles that are clear in the context (e.g., Lord of Goodness, Lord of Mercy). --BDD (talk) 14:58, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
 * If said book or church are notable then we should delete this per WP:REDLINK -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:32, 4 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete - sounds like a porn title or the worst reality show ever —Мандичка YO 😜 23:21, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
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