Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 December 30

December 30
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on December 30, 2015.

The jealous one
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 January 7%23The jealous one

To go both ways



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 18:51, 6 January 2016 (UTC)


 * To go both ways → Amphisbaena (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=To_go_both_ways&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Sexual orientation? Too broad a topic. Legacypac (talk) 12:31, 22 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Where I live, the phrase "to go both ways" is a euphemism for bisexuality. If other editors agree that this is an appropriate target, then I would I support redirecting to there. However, if other editors think this is pure nonsense, then I think deletion is the way to go. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 16:49, 22 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete: I can see "going both ways" targeting bisexuality but this looks implausible whatever it targets. --Rubbish computer (Merry Christmas!: ...And a Happy New Year!) 17:21, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

I prefer delete over bisexuality. Legacypac (talk) 18:24, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment - "to go both ways" is commonly used as an allusion to bisexuality, but the phrase isn't exclusive to that meaning. It simply states something or someone does both of two specific things (generally the things would be associated in some way). — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 08:51, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

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 * delete as more Neelix junk. "Of course some people go both ways" is a far better known use of the phrase and we don't have to try to attach every phrase somewhere. Mangoe (talk) 19:03, 1 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete - Way, way too broad a concept here... it can refer to religious mixing (Christian pagans and Jewish atheists come to mind), it can refer to sexuality and gender topics (being agender and genderqueer, for instance), it can refer to musical tastes (someone like the members of Fall Out Boy who listen to both classical music and punk rock as influences, for example), and... well, it just is so vague. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 21:25, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
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The Wikipedia Adventure



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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to The Wikipedia Adventure. (non-admin closure) sst ✈  05:38, 6 January 2016 (UTC)


 * The Wikipedia Adventure → Wikipedia (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Wikipedia_Adventure&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This is a rather interesting discussion here as over time, this page has assumed various forms: 1. an article in French about the game 2. a translated version of the content in that article 3. a (cross-namespace) redirect to The Wikipedia Adventure 4. a rewritten, more-encyclopedic article, which included a number of references 5. a redirect page, first to English Wikipedia and then more generally to just Wikipedia, as it is now So, which of these would the best way to leave this page, if it should be even kept? &#60;&#60;&#60; SOME GADGET GEEK &#62;&#62;&#62; (talk) 18:37, 20 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete for the same reasn it was redirected; a lack of coverage in third party sources. --Rubbish computer (Merry Christmas!: ...And a Happy New Year!) 00:02, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
 * As one of the redirectors, I say unsure. I imagine a decent number of people searching for this subject, and virtually all of them want to end up at The Wikipedia Adventure, so we'd do the most good by retargeting it there, but of course people will complain if we make it even a highly helpful cross-namespace redirect.  I don't see the harm of leaving it at the present target, but it's hardly an old redirect and doesn't have a significant history of retaining useful content, so deletion wouldn't be a big problem either.  Nyttend (talk) 02:04, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Redirect to The Wikipedia Adventure, although delete as a second option. To be quite honest, there don't seem to be "a decent number of people searching for this subject" (pageview stats), but I would prefer to have a helpful cross-namespace redirect than no page at all. Especially when the search is likely to be performed by very new users who won't have a clue what a namespace is, and could be easily confused without the redirect there. If it helps just one user, I reckon it's worth keeping the page. As for redirecting to Wikipedia, which doesn't have a single word on the topic of TWA, I don't see how that would help anybody. — Bilorv(talk)(c)(e) 17:09, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Retarget to The Wikipedia Adventure. This is one of those rare times where we want someone who doesn't know what they're doing to fall into the interworkings of the Wikipedia. Since The Wikipedia Adventure is a tutorial, we can't assume someone knows about the different namespaces and how to use them. Someone searching this is undoubtedly looking for The Wikipedia Adventure, so let's give it to them! The worst thing that can happen is someone finding a tutorial on how to edit Wikipedia (which is a good thing, right?). -- Tavix ( talk ) 17:25, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - Not a synonym of the target, nor is it mentioned in the article; misleading/erroneous pointing where it currently does, as this title makes Wikipedia sound like a game. The alternatives suggested would create a cross-namespace redirect, which is discouraged. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 17:57, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I prefer retargeting to The Wikipedia Adventure as a second choice, as opposed to a keep. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 22:06, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Retarget to The Wikipedia Adventure. Normally I !vote against WP:CNRs because they push readers out of the encyclopedia space and into the "behind the curtain" project space, but we can only assume that that is the intent of someone searching for this, and as others have said it's an easy newbie mistake. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 19:19, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
 * It was created as an article (or possibly a test page), and the editor who created it knew about it from the project space linked on his talk page. Peter James (talk) 00:47, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete This is not mentioned in the target page, and anyone looking for the project page is likely to be aware of it from a link on their talk page. Peter James (talk) 00:47, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete the adventure is not an encyclopedic topic, and the XNR target is also not written like an article, nor does it serve the readership, it is rather, for the editorship, so should not exist as an XNR from mainspace. -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 11:19, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

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Bollywood Life



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 * The result of the discussion was delete for now without prejudice against recreation if the target article receives substantial mention of this subject in the future. Deryck C. 23:55, 6 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Bollywood Life → Zee Entertainment Enterprises (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bollywood_Life&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I fail to see how the target is related to the redirect. The redirect is not even mentioned in the target. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 10:48, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Perhaps this should explain. Kailash29792 (talk) 10:54, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
 * That's a good link. I forgot it's run by the Zee guys. But its not even mentioned on the target article. And why create such a redirect in the first place of a non-notable business venture. I know WP:REDIRECTSARECHEAP. But I see this as WP:GAMING of WP. I remember you arguing that if a website has an article on WP, it should be considered WP:RS. Is this your way of pushing bollywoodlife.com as reliable source? §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 11:30, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Not necessarily. Here is an external link which we could use in Zee Entertainment Enterprises' main article as a source to write something like "Bollywood Life is an entertainment news website owned by Zee", hence saving the redirect. Kailash29792 (talk) 11:50, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
 * That link is external but not independent. And am not worried about the facts but more about the way this is going to be a stepping stone for deeming this as a RS. You at first resisted removal of this source in an FAC even after being aware of this discussion. The website already has over 800 links in En Wiki. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 06:36, 6 January 2016 (UTC)


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Not wetting



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 18:50, 6 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Not wetting → Adiantum (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Not_wetting&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

very vague Legacypac (talk) 04:38, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Strong delete clearly not. There are many hydrophobic coating articles -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 05:31, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
 * delete as vague -- Lenticel ( talk ) 04:47, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 18:50, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
 * delete as more Neelix junk. Mangoe (talk) 19:04, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
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New hook



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 * The result of the discussion was delete as unopposed. Deryck C. 23:52, 6 January 2016 (UTC)


 * New hook → Newhook (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=New_hook&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Nose worthy → Noseworthy (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nose_worthy&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

splitting surnames creates a very different concept - like smells nice or a new item on the dock. Legacypac (talk) 03:22, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
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Sambangi
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 * The result of the discussion was keep Sugandaraja, delete all others. The discussion has decided that redirects from translations of foreign-language names or uncommon descriptive names are generally unhelpful. As closing admin, I should note that the "Neelix injunction" allows nomination for deletion in the sense of WP:BRD, but is not a deletion rationale on its own. Deryck C. 00:02, 7 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Sambangi → Polianthes tuberosa (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sambangi&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Fragrant night flowers → Polianthes tuberosa (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fragrant_night_flowers&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Fragrant night flower → Polianthes tuberosa (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fragrant_night_flower&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Bunga sedap malam → Polianthes tuberosa (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bunga_sedap_malam&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Xinxiao → Polianthes tuberosa (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Xinxiao&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * The king of fragrance → Polianthes tuberosa (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_king_of_fragrance&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Sugandaraja → Polianthes tuberosa (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sugandaraja&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * That on which the moth rests → Polianthes tuberosa (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=That_on_which_the_moth_rests&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * King of smell → Polianthes tuberosa (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=King_of_smell&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * The king of smell → Polianthes tuberosa (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_king_of_smell&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * King of fragrance → Polianthes tuberosa (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=King_of_fragrance&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Rojoni-Gondha → Polianthes tuberosa (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rojoni-Gondha&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Night fragrant → Polianthes tuberosa (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Night_fragrant&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Night-fragrant → Polianthes tuberosa (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Night-fragrant&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Neelix nonsense. Must have been his favorite flower because he sent all these unusual redirects to it, none of which are mentioned in the article. Legacypac (talk) 03:13, 30 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep The plant is widespread, grown commercially and used for perfume. Checking books, I find that it's called sambangi and sugandaraja in India.  The other names are presumably synonyms from other languages. Andrew D. (talk) 10:57, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete at least some. That on which the moth rests, for example, is implausible as an English vernacular name (it doesn't match English naming practices) and fragrant night flower(s) is a description which could be applied to many plants. Lavateraguy (talk) 12:31, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
 * The plant is pollinated by moths and its name in Chinese is Xinxiao which means "that on which the moth rests". These redirects are therefore quite plausible.  See pages about the plant such as this which were obviously the basis of these redirects.  Deleting such good faith work without doing any due diligence seems disruptive. Andrew D. (talk) 13:08, 30 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete most of them. Wikipedia is not a translation dictionary. Non-English names not used in English sources are not sensible redirects. If xinxiao were a Chinese name sometimes used in English sources, then it would be a useful redirect; its translation would not. Peter coxhead (talk) 14:08, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete all except weak keep for sugandaraja. Also delete bone flower, bone flowers and nilasambangi which redirect to Polianthes tuberosa but were not part of this nomination. As Peter Coxhead said, Wikipedia is not a translation dictionary; all the "English" names are translations of names in another language. The names in other languages don't necessarily appear in English language sources, and are a mess of unsourced transliterations. Searching the internet "xinxiao" doesn't get me anything on the flower that isn't connected to sites scraping Wikipedia's redirects. "Bunga sedap malam" brings up many Indonesian sources, but the Indonesian Wikipedia lists the common name as just Sedap malam ("bunga" is Malay for flower). "Rojoni-Gondha" brings up a few relevant results, but there are a variety of alternative spellings and the capitalization and hyphenation of the "Rojoni-Gondha" redirect are quite peculiar. "Sambangi" appears to be a variant spelling of "sampangi", which also refers to Magnolia champaca; "nilasambangi" does appear to specifically refer to Polianthes tuberosa, but it seems to often appear as "nila sampangi". "Sugandaraja" is the only one where I see some (not necessarily reliable) English sources using the exact spelling of one of these redirects. Plantdrew (talk) 22:58, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
 * delete all as Neelix junk. Mangoe (talk) 19:06, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
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<span id="Ἅλως">Ἅλως
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 18:48, 6 January 2016 (UTC)


 * <span id="Ἅλως">Ἅλως → Halo (optical phenomenon) (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E1%BC%8D%CE%BB%CF%89%CF%82&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Wikipedia is not a greek to english translation service using redirects. Another off Neelix list Legacypac (talk) 03:03, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete WP:NOTDIC Wikipedia is not a translation dictoinary. General topic with no particular affinity for Greek -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 05:32, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
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Nona hora
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 January 6%23Nona hora