Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 February 26

February 26
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on February 26, 2015.

Idiot/Idiocy (Athenian Democracy)



 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was Retarget to Idiot. (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 17:51, 5 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Idiot/Idiocy (Athenian Democracy) → Idiot (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Idiot/Idiocy_(Athenian_Democracy)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

Unlikely redirect JZCL 12:08, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
 * Weak refine as Idiot, where its meaning in Ancient Greece is elaborated. I guess it was added because of the discussion at Talk:Idiot/Archive_1. My WP search was for "idiot ancient Greece", so perhaps it is better to delete it so other readers' searches don't jump them through the R straight away: but the ety section is section 1, so it is hardly far from the top already. Nothing in reader-facing space links to it. Si Trew (talk) 19:05, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete as an implausible search term. I can't see it being of use to this project. Tavix | Talk  23:53, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 18:49, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment. There's no particular reason to delete, as far as I can tell. Though it's an unlikely search term, it is not a confusing or surprising redirect. Idiot (democracy), Idiocy (democracy), Idiot (Athenian democracy and Idiocy (Athenian democracy) are all red, though, and Socratic irony ( → Irony, with a there to Socratic method) seems a jump too far. Si Trew (talk) 21:41, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Retarget per Si Trew. Unlikely but not at all ambiguous search; longstanding (2009) and harmless. Ivanvector (talk) 16:01, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Retarget per Si Trew. I learned something new today. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 03:58, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

Xauxaz



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. It looks like everyone is alright with this outcome. --BDD (talk) 15:14, 6 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Xauxaz → Height (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Xauxaz&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

Highly unlikely redirect JZCL 11:34, 19 February 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
 * retarget to Lord of the Trees where it is mentioned. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:40, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Retarget. Nice find, but at proposed target that's XauXaz, and I imagine with these things the intercaps are important, so we should add that and this. Where Scrabble board? Si Trew (talk) 18:23, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment. Following the links, ****WARNING TAKE CARE IF ON A SLOW LINK, THE NEXT LINK IS 300Kb long**** at User:Emijrp/FirstPages a whole bunch of CamelCase was imported on 15 December 2010. User:Emijrp is still active: do we still need it? Si Trew (talk) 18:32, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete The one mention of XuaXaz at Lord of the Trees seems too brief to make this a useful redirect. It sounds like his role in a previous novel, A Feast Unknown, which might make a more logical target if the character is mentioned there. --BDD (talk) 15:02, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 18:48, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment. BDD, at Lord of The Trees it's to "XauXaz", not "XuaXaz" as you wrote above. I imagine that was just a typo, but I checked in case this was an and we had been led up a barking tree, hence having done so I note here that XauXaz is red (as are XauXax, Xauxax, Xuaxax and XuaXax, for what it's worth). It's a pity Google no longer has the regular expression search (that I can find, anyway)... Si Trew (talk) 21:47, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - XauXaz also gets the same very brief mention at The Mad Goblin (another work in the same series), and by "the same" I mean the words are identical to Lord of the Trees. I'm with in thinking this wouldn't be a useful redirect, and besides which article is the right one to redirect to? I wonder if this is some sort of mojibake for "x-y-z" as in measurement dimensions, but targeting to height is nonsense anyway. Ivanvector (talk) 16:20, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment I'm okay with a Delete if we can't agree which book in the series is the best target for this term.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 01:14, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment I'm okay with a Delete too, or R to either/any of the books, I don't know them so others are better to judge that. Si Trew (talk) 08:14, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
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Plowback retained earnings
Relisted per result of deletion review, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 March 20%23Plowback retained earnings

Main meal



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 * The result of the discussion was Retarget to Meal. (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 17:55, 5 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Main meal → Dinner (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Main_meal&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

I am not sure whether this should be converted to a dab page, but at present this does not seem like an appropriate redirect. While many think of dinner as the most main meal of the day, this redirect makes it seem as if it is the only main meal of the day is dinner. JZCL 18:38, 26 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment. At least a DAB. Off the top of my head, Alan Bennett made an autobiographical TV essay called Dinner at Noon (also an essay in his Writing Home – surprised these haven't articles or R's at least) which is rather about this (well, social pretentions on what people call the main meal of the day) and George Orwell mentions in The Road to Wigan Pier that it is natural that miners on shiftwork have their main meal of the day when they come home, whatever time of day that is. So I think a decent kinda cultural article could be made out of this. Tea culture is a possible entry on that DAB. Si Trew (talk) 22:18, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment - per Si, this is probably a reasonable topic for an article, if someone cares to write one. It shouldn't redirect to where it does currently because it's misleading or just incorrect, and I think a dab is weak because the titles aren't actually ambiguous. Delete per WP:REDLINK to encourage article creation. Ivanvector (talk) 22:38, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't mind starting to flesh out an article (I don't say "oh we should have an article" unless I am prepared to make one), but necessarily it would be UK centric if there were no other contributors but me. A Wikipedia search for "breakfast, lunch and dinner" is somewhat fruitful, and the All-day breakfast can probably sneak in as a "See also". I suppose Hardtack, as a meal taken on the Main Sea (i.e. Atlantic Ocean, cf. Spanish Main), would be too punny; but we do have main course which say in the United States and parts of Canada it is called an "entrée" (again, something genuinely a false friend as in Br. Eng. it means a starter course). Si Trew (talk) 22:58, 26 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete to encourage article creation OR at least weak retarget to main course as the closest plausible synonym. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:02, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Retarget Meal. Not oppose to delete for new article but would really need a lot more content than there for a spinout. Sorry Lenticel but Main course is just not the same level as "main meal" (only part of a meal).  野狼院ひさし  u/t/c 05:20, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Retarget per Hisashiyarouin (the Japanese lettered guy above); otherwise disambiguate between breakfast,lunch,supper ; the main meal is different for different people and different cultures. -- 70.51.200.101 (talk) 06:58, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
 * No, I disagree. "Main meal" has cultural significance and I think that needs to be said, Hisashi-san's suggestion was good but wrong. I think more important is the cultural significance of the main meal of the day.
 * W. H. Auden has a bit about it, for example. But my view necessarily would be a bit UK centric. Si Trew (talk) 21:26, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * The main meal does not necessarily mean dinner, the main meal may be breakfast. Culturally significant meals are also several different ones, such as breakfast, the first meal. -- 70.51.200.101 (talk) 03:31, 3 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Retarget per Hisashi. I think his opinion counts a lot because he can see it in a different way from a North American or British person, and that is the best thing to do per WP:WORLDWIDE, he can do it with fresh eyes and clean hands. Si Trew (talk) 09:52, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Meal per  野狼院ひさし  u/t/c . I'm fine with that too. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 03:56, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
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