Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 July 17

July 17
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on July 17, 2015.

Terr



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 * The result of the discussion was dabify. --BDD (talk) 23:21, 26 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Terr → Territory (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Terr&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The redirect's current target is a disambiguation page without any subjects that match the name of the redirect listed. If this is an initialism for the word "territory", then, in my opinion, it would only make sense to have this redirect target there if the article Territory was either a list article or a broad-concept article describing the primary use of the term (which it is not in the current situation.) Steel1943  (talk) 22:12, 17 July 2015 (UTC)


 * There is a broad-concept article, Territory (subdivision), for the type of territory that this is an abbreviation of. There is also a psychiatrist, Lenore Terr, so a disambiguation page is possible. Peter James (talk) 22:32, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Wiktionary definition is for an abbreviation of "terrorist". Peter James (talk) 22:51, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * terr / Terr.
 * /***Aye Peter but WP:NOTDIC. We could add that at the DAB I suggest, maybe, as a . Si Trew (talk) 08:03, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate we can just link to both territories and terrorist, and people. -- 67.70.32.190 (talk) 05:51, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Terra, a DAB. We can add entries there if we think they should be, but this seems a likely typo. Si Trew (talk) 08:00, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate. My findings line up closely with Peter's, I get abbreviations for territory, terrorist, and terrace (as a street suffix), as well as Lenore Terr. Add in both wiktionary entries (although they should be merged, IMO) and you get 5ish valid entries. -- Tavix ( talk ) 15:42, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
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Bumsla
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 July 24%23Bumsla

Battling Boy (film)



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 23:20, 26 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Battling Boy (film) → Brad Pitt (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Battling_Boy_(film)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete. Film not mentioned at the target's article. -- Tavix ( talk ) 18:04, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment I have no idea why but it sounds like a ventriloquist trying to say "Gatling Gun". However I would have a great deal of trouble sourcing that; could have been the great vent Tommy Roy, which we have not got. Si Trew (talk) 08:09, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
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The Operators (film)



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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to David Michôd. (non-admin closure) Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 20:38, 24 July 2015 (UTC)


 * The Operators (film) → Brad Pitt (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Operators_(film)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete. Film not mentioned at the target's article. -- Tavix ( talk ) 18:03, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Retarget to David Michôd, which contains the film's details. -- Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 18:46, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Retarget to David Michôd for now. I assume that we will create an article for this film once it's released. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 04:35, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
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Pilka nożna



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 * The result of the discussion was delete all. Just Chilling (talk) 00:26, 25 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Pilka nozna → Association football (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pilka_no%C5%BCna&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Pilka nożna → Association football (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pilka_no%C5%BCna&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Piłka nozna → Association football (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pi%C5%82ka_nozna&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Piłka nożna → Association football (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pi%C5%82ka_no%C5%BCna&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:RFD and WP:RFOREIGN. However, I would like to see a discussion on whether these might be worth retargeting to Poland national football team. On one hand, the Polish language is relatively confined to Poland, the country, and there is a pretty strong connection between the two. On the other hand, it is a minority language in much of Europe (including as an official language of the EU), and doesn't refer to the team, but the sport in general. -- Tavix ( talk ) 17:51, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete. I would take an easier tack, although agreeing with WP:RFD and WP:RFOREIGN. These are very unlikely to be able to be typed by an English language audience. (Okay, there is a case against that for Pilka nozna as an, but is not marked as such.) I can type the Ł (and the Đ) on my Hungarian keyboard without trouble, even though it is not an Hungarian letter (and, to be clear, Hungarian is not a Slavic language), but I doubt someone with a UK or US or Australian or NZ or Canadian English keyboard could, without hunting with difficulty, so I reinforce the WP:RFD unlikely search term. Si Trew (talk) 07:11, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. --BDD (talk) 03:12, 21 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete WP:NOTDIC Wikipedia is not a translation dictionary. A general topic of British origin with no affinity for any language, but originating from English, so not originating from non-English either. -- 67.70.32.190 (talk) 06:08, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete all - not needed. GiantSnowman 18:49, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
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Untitled Indian film projects (I-P)



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 * The result of the discussion was delete all. Just Chilling (talk) 00:30, 25 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Untitled Puri Jagannadh project → Temper (film) (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Untitled_Puri_Jagannadh_project&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Untitled Pandiraj project → Idhu Namma Aalu (2015 film) (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Untitled_Pandiraj_project&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Untitled Nandini Reddy Project → Jabardasth (film) (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Untitled_Nandini_Reddy_Project&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Untitled Murugadoss Film → AR Murugadoss (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Untitled_Murugadoss_Film&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Untitled Mani Ratnam film → O Kadhal Kanmani (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Untitled_Mani_Ratnam_film&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Untitled Lingusamy project → Anjaan (2014 film) (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Untitled_Lingusamy_project&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Untitled Krishna Vamsi project → Govindudu Andarivadele (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Untitled_Krishna_Vamsi_project&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Untitled Koratala Siva project → Srimanthudu (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Untitled_Koratala_Siva_project&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Untitled Koratala Siva Project → Srimanthudu (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Untitled_Koratala_Siva_Project&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Untitled Jayam Raja film → M. Raja (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Untitled_Jayam_Raja_film&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Untitled Ilayathalapathy Vijay Project → AR Murugadoss (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Untitled_Ilayathalapathy_Vijay_Project&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

These are all outdated redirects. The projects that these redirects refer to all have titles. They should be deleted as confusing because it might lead people to think they are referring to a separate, future untitled project. -- Tavix ( talk ) 17:33, 17 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete as unnecessary and potentially misleading. Two of these (the Mani Ratnam and Jayam Raja films) were redirected articles, so I've requested to merge these revisions into the relevant page histories; the others resulted from page moves or were created as redirects. Peter James (talk) 19:22, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per Peter James. Steve Lux, Jr. (talk) 19:34, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete, or add to List of titled untitled things. 08:17, 18 July 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by SimonTrew (talk • contribs)
 * Delete all - the history split identified by Peter James has been fixed. None of these projects are untitled. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 21:02, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
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The Joy Luck Club (novel)



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 23:19, 26 July 2015 (UTC)


 * <span id="The Joy Luck Club (novel)">The Joy Luck Club (novel) → The Joy Luck Club (novel) (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%27%27The_Joy_Luck_Club%27%27_(novel)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The redirect contains wiki markup, which should not be present in titles since if it is linked on a page it can break page text formatting. Also, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 May 4 and Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 November 20 for similar consensus. Steel1943 (talk) 16:29, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Strong delete " The Joy Luck Club (novel) " is highly inappropriate -- 67.70.32.190 (talk) 04:28, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
 * DAB it better I think the DAB is a bit of a waste of space since it is essentially a WP:TWODABS. The third title is red but passes One Blue Link for DABs but only redirects back to the article that is mentioned at the first, in a redlink at the section tabulating publications. That is just sending people (including me) around the houses, WP:HATNOTE would be better. Actually The Jockey Club came to my mind first, and I think at least should be at the DAB. Si Trew (talk) 08:19, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Did you put this comment in the wrong thread? It's been happening to me a lot lately. Just asking because there's no dab here. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 15:22, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Possibly, I check that, in the mean time I strike mine. Si Trew (talk) 17:06, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
 * No, I was actually compos mentis at the time, but I double-checked cos I just doubted myself. The Joy Luck Club is a DAB listing this book, the film, and a nonexistent play, so I probably went round the houses a bit. (I really don't like red links at DABs, what is the point, it helps nobody, it just says "The Joy Luck Club (play), one of productions [sic] produced by TheatreWorks in Silicon Valley, California", and as you see the latter is red, because it is piped to List of TheatreWorks (Silicon Valley) productions, whenvefrom its link is piped back to the DAB.) This is all rather WP:CRYSTAL, then and the WP:DABPIPE doesn't help. Now I have a feeling I am shadow boxing, and losing :)
 * Notwithstanding all that, I must agree with Ivan and Jack below. Si Trew (talk) 17:13, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Ahh I see. Partly off-topic: the play seems notable enough for a few unflattering reviews and mentions in a book about the author. But we don't have an article about the play, and it's not exclusively a TheatreWorks production - other companies have put it on over the years, as early as '93 according to one of these articles. Probably the redlink should be removed from the dab, which is then a TWODABS but I'm not sure if the novel or the film is the primary topic: hits last month are 6300 novel, 5900 film. I would lean novel as primary topic because it came first. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 17:39, 20 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Strong delete per previous consensus that page titles containing wikimarkup are harmful for technical reasons. I suggest we should add this as a bullet point under the WP:G6 speedy deletion criterion. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 13:30, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete. I thought these were blacklisted? -- Tavix ( talk ) 15:36, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
 * They are blacklisted, but is a sysop, so he was able to create it anyway. Jackmcbarn (talk) 03:05, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete. Wikimarkup in titles is bad. Jackmcbarn (talk) 03:11, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
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B's
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to B (disambiguation). There's essentially no consensus here, but no one wanted to this to remain as is, so I'm choosing the alternative to deletion. --BDD (talk) 23:18, 26 July 2015 (UTC)


 * B's → Boston Bruins (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=B%27s&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I recently created Boston B's as a companion redirect to this one, but it was speedy deleted as implausible. If "Boston B's" is implausible, than I would imagine this one to be as well. -- Tavix ( talk ) 14:15, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * We could retarget to B (disambiguation) as R from plural or BS as R from modification. Or if we judge that either of those is just as likely, maybe delete it. Keeping it as a redirect to the Bruins seems obviously unacceptable. --BDD (talk) 14:19, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment: Here's a quirk of Wikipedia's search function: Typing X's into the search bar will take you to XS, even though the redirect doesn't exist. -- Tavix ( talk ) 14:49, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * For me it goes to X S, which itself is a redirect to XS. Strange. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 14:53, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, you are correct. -- Tavix ( talk ) 14:58, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete: I'd say that it "B's" doesn't mean anything in particular, so we should delete it. Compassionate727 (talk) 17:15, 9 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Retarget to B (disambiguation) as R from plural and add BS to the see also section -- 67.70.32.20 (talk) 05:18, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment Frankly my first impression is that this is a misspelt B'z, when the person knows the name sounds like "bees" and that there is an apostrophe, but did not know that it uses a Z. It's unlikely, I know, but just putting it out.  野狼院ひさし  <small style="font-size:85%;">u/t/c 14:47, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
 * But (as the old jazz single goes) every kinda B'z just whispers Louise. Si Trew (talk) 08:24, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 14:00, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Redirect to B (disambiguation), plural and ambiguous. Peter James (talk) 17:01, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay I will exhaust it.
 * A's → Oakland Athletics
 * B's → listed here
 * C's → DAB
 * D's → Dayton Wire Wheels, an unsourced promotional stub
 * E's → article about a Japanese Manga cartoon, I think should go to Ecstacy (drug)
 * F's → swearing
 * G's → G-force, but that seems very ambiguous Struck Si Trew (talk) 07:28, 19 July 2015 (UTC) surprising to me. gee is a DAB.
 * H's → (could go to aitches or H dropping)
 * I's → (Ayes?)
 * J's → (Jays?)
 * K's → kilogram or kilocalorie?
 * L's → (Ells)]]
 * M's → Seattle Mariners (perhaps Ems?)
 * N's (Ens?)
 * O's → (Baltimore Orioles)
 * P's (Perhaps ditto). To mind one's P's and Q's is to enunciate properly (I don't know why, it has little to do with enunciation more with writing, but it is. I think, as a Cockney, it is an abbreviation for "mind one's pleases and thankyous", i.e. be polite, but I have never been able to source that. We do have jot and tittle, fortunately.)
 * Q's → Queues possibly
 * R's → arse possibly
 * S's → eszet, unlikely
 * T's Tees, or Tee (disambiguation) probably better
 * U's → usage; Usage and Abusage?
 * V's
 * W's → The W's, a band.
 * X's → divorcee (all my exes live in Texas...)
 * Y's → Ys
 * Z's → sleep, pushing up the Z's; although both the DAB at Zzz and the article at ZZZZZ seem rather self-promotional, the latter blocking my search.


 * The ones that make sense are US sporting teams. Si Trew (talk) 07:38, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Off topic for this discussion, but I'd expect K's to be a redirect to kilometre as that unit is frequently abbreviated to "k" in speech, e.g. a 10K run. Thryduulf (talk) 09:22, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah I'd agree with that. I don't think we should have all these, but if we had them anywhere, that was better than mine. Perhaps just kilo (a DAB) or kilo- would be better still. It's also used to mean a thousand pounds sterling (I just won ten K's, the new job offers 70 K's) but usually that would be said "grand" and WP:NOTDIC. Si Trew (talk) 07:22, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
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African
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 * The result of the discussion was dabify and no consensus, respectively. This is Steel1943's recommendation, though I wouldn't call this a trainwreck—it's been far too slow. As a result, African (disambiguation) will move over African. No prejudice against a new nomination for African people, which will continue to point to the same place for now. --BDD (talk) 19:00, 5 August 2015 (UTC)


 * African → Native ethnic groups of Africa (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=African&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * African people → Native ethnic groups of Africa (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=African_people&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

There has been a slow edit war over whether these should remain redirects or be made into disambiguation pages, but no actual discussion of the topic. Since a disambiguation page already exists at African (disambiguation), creating a second page would constitute a duplicate page, so the real question is whether to maintain the existing redirect or move the disambiguation page. I therefore request a determination of community consensus as to whether the status quo should be changed. bd2412 T 02:08, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment There's really no need to keep African (disambiguation) when African isn't even an article but a redirect and alot of topics are related to African on the English wikipedia. So I moved most entries on African (disambiguation) to African where it fits in properly with some description, you (bd2412) undid that edit. Also see (European and Asian). There are many other pages that are related to African people, apart from Native ethnic groups of Africa that is why I created the African people Dab which you have undone to a redirect (see also (European people). Please keep the Dab pages to display other African-related pages on this wiki as ethnic topics are not the only african topics here. Thanks. Stanleytux (talk) 02:32, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Whether this is the case or not is a matter for the community to determine by consensus. Your set of edits was effectively a cut-and-paste move of the existing disambiguation page, which is not permitted. The appropriate course of action at the outset would have been to file a move request at Requested moves, which expressly requires such a process in any circumstance where the potential move is likely to be controversial. bd2412  T 02:38, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment The existing redirect seems problematic to me; there are a lot of things that are "African" that are not within the scope of that article. So I'd support a move request for the disambiguation page, provided that WP:FIXDABLINKS is observed. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 10:12, 9 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep, or disambiguate at African as a second choice. I've just come from updating census data at Nova Scotia which lists ethnic origins responses in the dataset, and being a government survey, uses vague response options like "African origins", but nothing more specific except for some European countries. I wikilinked that to African people thinking there would be either an article or a list at the target. It falls under WP:RFD #5 (someone finds it useful) but disambiguation is not a bad second option. I also wikilinked Scandinavian for one of the response options and that is already a dab page. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 14:28, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

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 * Comment: I was going to state that it seems to me that "African" should redirect to Africa, and that the African (disambiguation) page should remain. But if you look at similar examples, such as Mexican and Chinese, they are disambiguation pages instead of redirecting to Mexico and China respectively. Flyer22 (talk) 02:08, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

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 * Support moving African (disambiguation) to African to be consistent with European and Asian, as well as how it was before the move in 2008 (a move which was apparently done without consensus at Talk:African (disambiguation)). "African" doesn't only refer to people. African people should redirect to Demographics of Africa, as it isn't limited to native ethnic groups. Peter James (talk) 16:57, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate "African" per Peter James -- 67.70.32.190 (talk) 04:30, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Retarget. Yeah, with Flyer22, I was going to say point it at Africa, but Flyer gives some model examples. European is also DAB, Filipino is DAB, Ukranian is DAB, that seems to be the general model. There is for doing languages in text, so there is no problem there: but I think it should be a DAB, but no point creating another one. Per Peter James, retarget to the existing one. If we need to, we can fix that up with more or fewer entries. Si Trew (talk) 07:46, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Move African (disambiguation) over this redirect as there isn't a primary topic. -- Tavix ( talk ) 18:03, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Move African (disambiguation) to African and relist African people by itself since this discussion is starting to turn into a WP:TRAINWRECK. Steel1943  (talk) 20:14, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I'll second that. -- Tavix ( talk ) 00:33, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
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Tewksbury ma
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 * The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) -- Tavix ( talk ) 03:24, 25 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Tewksbury ma → Tewksbury, Massachusetts (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tewksbury_ma&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Delete: Adding "ma" onto the end doesn't seem like an abbreviation of Maine when not capitalized and following a comma. Seems to cause unnecessary confusion. Compassionate727 (talk) 17:13, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep: "ma" in this case is the uncapitalized version of "MA", which is the abbreviation of Massachusetts, not Maine. It is widely known that the abbreviation of Maine is "ME". Both are commonly used without a comma. In addition, there is no such place as "Tewksbury, Maine". I find no confusion here whatsoever. The redirect is useful for those who forget to add a comma or to capitalize the abbreviation. SStephens13 (talk • contribs) 18:16, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry, that is what I mean. I was thinking about that because of a similar redirect I had gone over before that involved Maine. That was my fault. Compassionate727 (talk) 18:19, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

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 * Keep - silly but harmless and unambiguous. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 19:08, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - Completely unnecessary. Keeping this could potentially influence the creation of an obnoxious number of redirect pages... Steve Lux, Jr. (talk) 21:40, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep per Ivanvector. --BDD (talk) 14:28, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

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 * Keep per SStephens13 and Ivanvector. Thryduulf (talk) 13:56, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep as all above. Many New England names derive from English names, and this is a weird one in British English spelling to start with, but I don't imagine anyone typing this is looking for anything other than the place in Massachusettes: they are not looking for a mother in Tewksbury, Gloucestershire. If there is a confusion between Maine and Massachusettes we do need to DAB that somehow, but Tewksbury, ME is red (as are capitalisation variants). We do have Tewksbury Township, New Jersey but that would be a stretch, I think, to DAB that way: Anyway Tewksbury (disambiguation) serves the turn.
 * Comment I note we do not have Tewksbury, Gloucestershire in the UK as a redirect. We should probably do so to create that (and to then change the link at the DAB). But that is just gnoming and not very relevant to this decision except something to do maybe when closing: I shouldn't like to do it until we have consensus. Si Trew (talk) 07:00, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Staying relevant, we do have Mark Tewksbury who could technically be "Tewksbury ma". Is that a stretch too? -- Tavix ( talk ) 14:44, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I should say it was a stretch. (My middle name is Mark, by the way, but nobody has ever called me Ma. Wasn't "and never called me mother" one of those kinda standard music-hall/vaudeville straplines? Anyway I am drifting again.) I can see, Tewkesbury, MA being reasonable, less so Tewksbury, ma (Unless we start putting all ZIP codes in all four variants of the possible capitalization). Mark Twain, as far as I can remember, was never called Ma Twain. Perhaps Mark Tewksbury is called that, but I don't know: in any case he is Canadian and nothing to do with Massachusettes. Does that muddy the waters sufficiently? Si Trew (talk) 17:02, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
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Cultivate
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to cultivation (non-admin closure) . Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 20:33, 24 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Cultivate → Agriculture (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cultivate&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

deletion. Inappropriate. Cultivate has many meanings other than in raising crops. Also redirects should not be a general verb relating to a broad subject Mistakefinder (talk) 11:16, 17 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Retarget to cultivation. Cultivate gets about a dozen hits per day, and we should send those folks somewhere better than the search results (search results are sometimes better than a redirect, but in this case they are useless to an unusual degree). 58.176.246.42 (talk) 11:48, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Retarget per above. When we have a relevant page to direct someone to, we should sent someone there unless there is a very good reason not to. Thryduulf (talk) 12:17, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Retarget to cultivation -- 67.70.32.190 (talk) 12:30, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Retarget, but I suggest cultivar as a weak alternative. Si Trew (talk) 21:46, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Retarget to cultivation per everyone who isn't (sorry, Si!) Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 21:03, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh I don't mind that, mine was just a weak alternative. To be honest there seems considerable overlap between the two (for fairly obvious reasons). Si Trew (talk) 07:36, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
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Stage Races
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 July 26%23Stage Races

Hypogram
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 23:15, 26 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Hypogram → Michael Riffaterre (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hypogram&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Hypogram is not a term invented by Riffaterre, it deserves an own article (for example the term has been used in a different, but related way by Ferdinand de Saussure in his anagram studies. Furthermore the target article does not even explain the term. Please delete the redirect such that we have decent red links. --Chricho ∀ (talk) 07:35, 17 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete to encourage article creation, per nom. Notable enough to have its own entry in The Princeton Encyclopedia of Poetry and Poetics, so Wikipedia should get one too one day. (That entry also clearly states that Riffaterre isn't the only person associated with this concept, meaning he's not an appropriate redirect target.) 58.176.246.42 (talk) 10:54, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:REDLINK for the reasons given above. Thryduulf (talk) 12:19, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment we haven't hippogram, which would presumably be a drawing of or by a horse. Si Trew (talk) 21:50, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Or . Thryduulf (talk) 00:42, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, but then "hippo" itself is just an abbreviation of hippopotamus, river horse. Dunno about them, but the usual ones you bet on, the standard equine variety, probably have trouble getting the paintbrushes in their hooves (→ hoof, but not hoofs even though given as alternative spelling in the lede) what with the horseshoes. After all, a horse is about the only animal you can legally bash a nail into. Si Trew (talk) 06:47, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
 * We don't have hypergram either. The Hippogryph I think is a mythological mixed creature a bit like the thing Pegasus rode, but that is a long way away, too. (Wow it's blue I didn't check it yet though so facts are probably all wrong.) Si Trew (talk) 06:49, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Wasn't far wrong. Never did Greek, did woodwork. Si Trew (talk) 07:35, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
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Shoo-gah-zee
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. Just Chilling (talk) 01:13, 25 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Shoo-gah-zee → Shoegazing (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shoo-gah-zee&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

deletion in accordance with WP:R number 8: obscure or possibly foreign language synonym never discussed in target article. KDS 4444 Talk  03:34, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * delete other than this redirect, I'm seeing exactly 2 other uses, both on mu4chan.com, one from ~February and one from March. The first is a pronunciation respelling for how it is not pronounced (and pronunciation respellings are rarely good redirects even when correct), the second seems to be using it as a deliberate error. Thryduulf (talk) 12:27, 17 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete with Thry. WP:NOTDIC and all that. I actually came to a completely different meaning for this, but that is remnants of my learning Japanese, which I have mostly forgotten. Si Trew (talk) 06:51, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment. Window shopping would be the nearer for the Japanese translation, I think, but that is taking it all as a back translation. I am pretty sure this was originally Japanese and has been corrupted along the way to here. Shoegazing makes no sense. Tsu ga tsi would make some sense. Not much but a bit. Would mean contemplation, reflection, something like that, or if written differently, I love you, which perhaps would make more sense. But because it has gone through three languages, hard for me to make it out the original. Si Trew (talk) 21:08, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
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