Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 June 28

June 28
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on June 28, 2015.

The News-Dispatch (Jeannette, PA)



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 14:51, 6 July 2015 (UTC)


 * The News-Dispatch (Jeannette, PA) → Jeannette, Pennsylvania (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_News-Dispatch_(Jeannette,_PA)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in the target article; WP:RDEL#10 applies. – Arms &amp; Hearts (talk) 22:22, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:RFD. News-Dispatch → The News-Dispatch, where with  after posting here User:Arms &amp; Hearts added a hatnote:
 * We have Valley News Dispatch that redirects there, created on 18 Jan 2009 by User:Dissolve. So the hatnote was more complicated than it needed to be, and with I have changed it to:
 * Without prejudice to that discussion, I've made that an R to section Pittsburgh Tribune-Review and added a courtesy comment at the target. However, I am not sure that the Valley News Dispatch serves Jeannette, PA: its parent paper certainly does. But since it's not mentioned specifically at the target, it is also WP:RFD confusing and WP:RFD makes no sense. We don't have News Dispatch, The News Dispatch or Valley News-Dispatch as, nor for that matter The News-Dispatch (Michigan City, IN) nor The News Dispatch (Michigan City, Indiana).
 * Jeanette is 30 miles from Pittsburgh, whether that counts as a suburb I am not qualified to say: but certainly the article doesn't. Si Trew (talk) 09:42, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Two different periodicals. The News-Dispatch (Jeannette, PA) became defunct in 1981. Valley News Dispatch is still published and serves the Alle-Kiski Valley, made up of Tarentum and New Kensington. dissolve  talk  10:23, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
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 * Two different periodicals. The News-Dispatch (Jeannette, PA) became defunct in 1981. Valley News Dispatch is still published and serves the Alle-Kiski Valley, made up of Tarentum and New Kensington. dissolve  talk  10:23, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
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2000.06



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 * The result of the discussion was keep. --BDD (talk) 14:47, 6 July 2015 (UTC)


 * 2000.06 → June 2000 (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2000.06&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * 2002.01 → January 2002 (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2002.01&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


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 * 2002.10 → October 2002 (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2002.10&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * 2002.11 → November 2006 (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2002.11&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


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 * 2003.10 → October 2003 (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2003.10&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * 2003.11 → November 2003 (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2003.11&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * 2003.12 → December 2003 (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2003.12&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


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 * 2006.10 → October 2006 (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2006.10&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * 2006.11 → November 2006 (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2006.11&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * 2006.12 → December 2006 (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2006.12&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

These are unnecessary yyyy.mm redirects. Three of them, namely 2002.11, 2002.12, and 2006.04, redirect to a month in the wrong year. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 22:22, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Delete per GeoffreyT2000. The correct format is mm-yyyy, not yyyy-mm; and 2002.11, 2002.12, and 2006.04 redirect to November 2006, December 2006, and April 2004 respectively (these are redirects to months in the wrong years). SONIC678 &#124; Let’s hang out here 01:46, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Weak keep seems reasonable search terms. Correct the erroneous redirects to point to the right months. -- 70.51.203.69 (talk) 06:37, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

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 * Delete all, per WP:MOSAT, which co-opts WP:NCNUM → Naming conventions (numbers and dates) via its inclusion in Category:Wikipedia naming conventions. We don't write dates that way. Si Trew (talk) 10:01, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep It's not one of the most used ways to write dates, but it's helpful nevertheless. The advantage to formatting them this way is that any sorting or alphabetizing of the set puts them in chronological order. The incorrect redirects have been fixed so that should no longer be a problem. -- Tavix ( talk ) 17:52, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Oh, we have collation orders for that. WP:MOSNUM would grind its teeth at this. Why not have 1976.03 then? I suppose it is the User:Thryduulf argument that "it shouldn't be created but if it has been, it shouldn't be deleted". (Paraphrasing Thryduulf). But MOS:NUM applies and WP:TITLE to. Sorry to grind the same stone, but why should titles have a Get out of Jail Free card when content hasn't? These are not just useless, but harmful and blocking searches for common terms like 2006.16 (kilohertz). Si Trew (talk) 22:20, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
 * That sounds like my concept of "RfD zen", though I'm sure Thryduulf has said similar things, perhaps even earlier. --BDD (talk) 14:47, 6 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep all. These are over 9 years old and deletion carries a real risk of breaking external links. They are plausible search terms and per WP:RFD they should be kept unless real harm can be demonstrated (the only example above, 2006.16 (kilohertz), is not referred to in any page I can find and thus no harm is being caused). Just Chilling (talk) 00:35, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
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Adam's wine



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 * The result of the discussion was delete, and I'll do the same for Adam's ale. It seems there are places this name could be discussed, but right now, it isn't. --BDD (talk) 14:33, 6 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Adam's wine → Water (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Adam%27s_wine&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete as vague and due to it not being mentioned at the target. It seems to be an obscure synonym for water and/or a Liquor store in Brooklyn. -- Tavix ( talk ) 16:45, 19 June 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Weak Keep- Water is sometimes called Adam's ale or Adam's wine. This epithet refers to the fact that the biblical Adam had only water to drink. If this is deleted I think Adam's Ale should go as well. My keep is weak because this term is generally used for humor, and in most cases it would be better to simply refer to water. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 20:57, 19 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Weak Retarget to Temperance movement. It seems that the biblical connotations aren't just for joke. The Temperance movement have religious roots. It seems that their statement about water boils down to "hey if water's good enough for Adam then it ought to be good enough for you". Unfortunately I'm not familiar enough with Western history to confidently include this entry in said article.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:11, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Deryck C. 21:04, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete, and Adam's ale too. I can see Lenticel's arguments about the Temperance movement – but Temperance (virtue) and the Temperance movement are not synonymous with teetotalism. I can only see them as WP:RFD confusing. I couldn't find any better targets (we don't have Adnams Ale (from Adnams Brewery) nor Sam Adam's Boston Lager, both of which are very nice). Si Trew (talk) 10:47, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment. Adam's ale came up at Articles for deletion/Aqueous Martini way back in August 2006, as a precedent for Aqueous Martini. As you see, the latter was actually deleted, so that can then serve as a precedent for this – nine years later. Si Trew (talk) 10:56, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:SanFranBan



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. JohnCD (talk) 21:56, 5 July 2015 (UTC)


 * SanFranBan → m:Global bans or WMF Global Ban Policy (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:SanFranBan&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Useless redirect. Unlikely to be searched. GZWDer (talk) 16:37, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete, WP:RFD broken, target does not exist. Any possible retarget e.g. to California Air Resources Board would be WP:CNR, will take as CSD WP:G8. No internal links, oddly has peak of 4 hits on 24 May 2005, otherwise at bot noise level. Si Trew (talk) 10:13, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment. The target is actually a to "m:Global bans and WMF Global Ban Policy". Si Trew (talk) 10:23, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment. Ah, which is why there are the stats for 24 May 2015 when it was only created on 25 June 2015, i.e. four days ago, as stats.grok.se is a bit perverse in giving stats for the target when there are notices in place on the R page. WP:RFD kicks in as well then, which again suggests taking to CSD if recently created. Si Trew (talk) 10:32, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep. I created this redirect when someone mentioned the phrase "SanFranBan" in a discussion and I had no idea what they were talking about.  I did, quite literally, search for this.  Obviously this redirect is not useful to our readers, but may be useful for some editors.  Redirects are cheap.   Hi DrNick ! 13:13, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete, disparaging neologism with very little currency. Guy (Help!) 22:39, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete. Only visible on forums and self-published content. Not even one hit on a truly reliable and independent source to make it stick. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  12:15, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete Unless I missed it, "SanFranBan" isn't mentioned at either target. In Wiki context, this seems like either a topic ban of San Francisco related topics, or a ban of everyone from San Francisco; neither one of those seem likely to happen. Especially since that's unrelated to a global ban, I think this redirect is confusing at best. -- Tavix ( talk ) 14:10, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
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Principle of continuity



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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to Law of Continuity. --BDD (talk) 14:21, 6 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Principle of continuity → Continuity (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Principle_of_continuity&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The target does not discuss the concept. Taku (talk) 15:36, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Law of Continuity. Law of continuity has that target; Principle of Continuity is red. Si Trew (talk) 10:35, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
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Mission: Impossible VI



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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to Mission: Impossible (film series). --BDD (talk) 14:17, 6 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Mission: Impossible VI → Mission: Impossible – Rogue Nation (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mission:_Impossible_VI&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Mission: Impossible 6 → Mission: Impossible – Rogue Nation (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mission:_Impossible_6&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not announced yet. No proper confirmation 74.120.223.141 (talk) 13:17, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete all as misleading and a WP:CRYSTAL violation. The target is the 5th film in the series, not the 6th. (I believe that the nominator meant to add that point ... because I almost voted "keep" until I saw what the issue truly is.) Steel1943  (talk) 22:24, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't 100% agree with "retargetting" this redirect as mentioned below, but it's enough to neutralize my previous opinion. Steel1943  (talk) 20:35, 29 June 2015 (UTC)


 * How about a retarget to Mission: Impossible (film series)?   - WPGA2345 -     ☛   00:51, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Retarget per WPGA -- 70.51.203.69 (talk) 05:09, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Retarget as above. Though generally I would say WP:CRYSTAL, this is mentioned and referenced, if not by a very WP:RS source, it doesn't claim to be. Si Trew (talk) 11:07, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Retarget per above would be best. -- Captain Assassin! «T ♦ C ♦ G» 17:42, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
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Lucy 2



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 * The result of the discussion was delete per WP:RFD. Just Chilling (talk) 00:40, 5 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Lucy 2 → Lucy (2014 film) (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lucy_2&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not confirmed. 74.120.223.141 (talk) 13:17, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
 * We don't know when (or if) Lucy 2 will come out, so let's keep this redirect for the time being, and expand it into an article when-and if-Lucy 2 comes out. SONIC678 &#124; Let’s hang out here  21:36, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete. Misleading, a WP:CRYSTAL violation, and possibly ambiguous, given the amount of subjects on Lucy (disambiguation), especially given that Lucy (film) targets the disambiguation page, and none of the films listed there are in the same film series. Steel1943  (talk) 22:27, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per - "Lucy 2" can refer to anything but either way it's too early atm, No objections to recreation once more stuff crops up. – Davey 2010 Talk 00:11, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:RFD confusing, WP:RFD makes no sense, WP:RFD bad target. If the 2014 film was not Lucy 2, then it's not really CRYSTAL but just plain wrong. (There is a vague, non-RS mention of a sequel in section Lucy (2014 film), but not as "Lucy 2"). Si Trew (talk) 11:11, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
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Country Brand Index
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 July 6%23Country Brand Index

List of girl groups
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 * The result of the discussion was restore the previous version of the target article. Random86, while this was technically correct, I suspect many readers would not distinguish between bands and groups like this. It sounds like there's consensus to maintain separate lists, whether that involves resurrecting the old article or simply merging the content you previously removed. Let me know if assistance is needed with any of this. --BDD (talk) 14:25, 6 July 2015 (UTC)


 * List of girl groups → List of all-female bands (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_girl_groups&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I recently removed all vocal groups from List of all-female bands because they didn't meet the list criteria. A girl group is not the same as an all-female band, according to the latter article. Another option is turning List of girl groups into a separate article, although an article of that title was deleted in 2007. Random86 (talk) 02:48, 28 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment so exactly where is the information for all-female vocal groups now? -- 70.51.203.69 (talk) 06:14, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment. Looks like they disappeared with User:Random86's sequence of edits between . I think we should restore version 668306530 and keep this or at least, do as Random86 suggests, and create a separate list (nobody's stopping anyone turning the redirect into an article). Si Trew (talk) 11:19, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment - a not-recent edit at all-female band defines a girl group as distinct from an all-female band, supposedly on the basis of whether or not its members play instruments, though also that this definition is not universal (and thus potentially POV). I'm with Si on this one, we should revert Random86's edits, but without prejudice against creating a new List of girl groups based on the existence of these distinctions. If someone else wants to punt that to AfD well that's their choice; the eight-year-old AfD ignored the (maybe more recent) guideline that lists and categories are not automatically redundant. Ivanvector (talk) 15:00, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm willing to create a new List of girl groups page with the groups I removed. If my edits on List of all-female bands are reverted, the lead section there will have to be removed. All-female band doesn't discuss girl groups, so should the list article? Random86 (talk) 19:18, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I think we have rough consensus here that the information removed from the target should go somewhere, rather than be deleted. Over the last day or so I obtained a copy of the old deleted list from a friendly administrator, and I've posted a question over at WP:AN about having the old version restored so that the content that Random86 removed could be added to it instead. The question is about whether it's technically possible, not a request to actually have it done, and not meant to bias this discussion. If you're interested, have a look. At any rate if we go this way, it would not be necessary to revert the deletion, we can just pull the info from the page history. Ivanvector (talk) 14:54, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment Turn it into a list with the content User:Random86 removed from List of all-female bands.--Cattus talk 11:49, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
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