Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 March 23

March 23
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on March 23, 2015.

Crimean War (2014)



 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was Keep. (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 20:30, 11 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Crimean War (2014) → Annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Crimean_War_(2014)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

Nonsense redirect. Not a single reliable source refers to the annexation as the "Crimean War". No "war" took place in Crimea. Delete this implausible redirect. RGloucester — ☎ 20:47, 15 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete It may or may not  be described as a 'war' but this term is implausible. - TheChampionMan1234 22:21, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep viable search term. Invasion of Ukraine (Crimea) by Russia should be searchable by "Crimean War" -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 04:39, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Surely you mean the entirely justified repatriation of a nation to its original country, not an invasion? Si Trew (talk) 09:12, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Sure, the planned pre-emptive nuclear strike on Kiev by Muscovy's Grande Duke Vladimiroff Putinoff in defence of the New Rus against the Olden Rus occupiers and the Tartars. -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 06:00, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
 * Keep, And also hatnote at Crimean War. But I can see, in my WP:CRYSTALBALL, that what to call it will involve a lot of WP:EDITWARring over "what do we call it", so perhpas just let that happen and ignore it for now? Si Trew (talk) 09:11, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 15:04, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep The topic is correctly listed as "a Russian–Ukrainian military crisis" at Crimean War (disambiguation). "Not a single reliable source refers to the annexation as the 'Crimean War'" might be right, but that's a reason it's unsuitable as a title, not as a redirect. And at any rate, the claim is not right. Al Jazeera used the term. The Toronto Star has this piece on "The (original) Crimean War", in light of the 2014 conflict. Tag it perhaps with R from non-neutral name, maybe even R from incorrect name, but it's a useful navigational aide. --BDD (talk) 15:13, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment. Sorry to be pedantic, but what would an unplanned pre-emptive strike look like? That is a bit of an oxymoron. Si Trew (talk) 06:44, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Probably like something out of Dr. Strangelove, or any sort of rogue, unauthorized attack from one group to another where tensions already existed. We're straying off topic, though. --BDD (talk) 17:19, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
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Jim Bourbon



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 14:04, 31 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Jim Bourbon → Jeff Strasser (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jim_Bourbon&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

I can find no sources to show that this is a nickname for the target player Jeff Strasser. I inquired on the author's talk page and received no response. I likewise asked on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Unreferenced BLPs if this was some sort of in-joke or other valid nickname, but no response there either. Crow  Caw 00:16, 15 March 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
 * 'Weak retarget ' to Jim Beam. Hmm, I think I shall more strongly retarget myself to one later... Si Trew (talk) 08:55, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I could sort of see Jim (bourbon) to Jim Beam, this a bit less so. Jack Daniel's is referred to as just "Jack" all the time. Less so with "Jim" and Jim Beam unless the context is already established, e.g., "Jack or Jim?" James I, Count of La Marche (or James I of Bourbon) could be called "Jim Bourbon" very informally. --BDD (talk) 14:58, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 15:04, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment. I had thought of the House of Bourbon but that kinda seemed unlikely. Perhaps best to delete, then, as confusing, or retarget over to there? Do we have a list article of them all? I can't find one. Jim the first and second are mentioned explicitly, and there is a nice lineage in section 9. I would have thought we would have had have a list article but perhaps not... The key thing is whether anyone would refer to James I etc as Jim I. I would, but that would just be my kinda jokey slang. (And I guess at the time they were called Jacobus I etc.) Si Trew (talk) 21:27, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete, it's not actually Jeff Strasser's nickname and there are no common sense retarget options. Tavix | Talk  23:13, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:RFD confusing and WP:RFD makes no sense. Striking mine above, before the relisting. And Jim is not a short form for Jeff. Si Trew (talk) 06:01, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
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Horse and carriage



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 * The result of the discussion was Withdrawn by nominator (self-closing). After discussion, it is fine as it stands. (non-admin closure) Si Trew (talk) 06:02, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Not sure about this, whetherit should go to horse-drawn vehicle as we have done with several others recently. Not quite the same, of course. Hackney cab → Hackney carriage, and I see no problem there, but mention it for completeness. Si Trew (talk) 13:54, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Horse and carriage → Horse and buggy (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Horse_and_carriage&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]


 * Comment I have no idea either. Horse-drawn vehicle feels like it was deliberately titled to include things other than a "buggy" or a "carriage", so I would be reluctant to have this redirect there.Mr. Guye (talk) 00:48, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, we don't have Horse-drawn bus for example, but do have Horse-drawn tram (but not Horse drawn tram). Some years ago I did the Old Rouen Tramway translation both are mentioned there (I am not sure if they are now but were when I did the first translation of it).
 * We have to stop somewhere or we will end up with Horse-drawn perambulator or something. One thing that did occur to me, and is probably the best at deciding this, is the style of horse racing in Ontario has buggies on the back (I forget literally what they are called) and perhaps that is kinda the casting vote, of where we stop with these. Prince Philip I think is very fond of it, not quite chariot racing but with a horse and buggy, but not the sense used in that article. Si Trew (talk) 05:52, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I think the style of that article is perfectly fine in being a description of something pulled by an equus generally: the thing is I am searching for redirects that are not general, in case they go to what (in my or others' opinions) are the wrong places. Si Trew (talk) 05:57, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Harness racing is what I meant. Harness is DAB. Si Trew (talk) 06:50, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I actually thought it was chariot racing, but you're right, harness racing is the one that is popular in Ontario. I think this redirect is fine as-is though, it's close enough. Carriage and buggy are often interchangeable in this context. Ivanvector (talk) 16:15, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment: I think a Horse Drawn vehicle (deliberately not linking) is a technical thing used on a driving licence by the UK DVLA, whether you are entitled to drive one... Well it is on the back of mine, class B2 it used to be. I am also actually entitled to drive fork lift trucks, which I have, motor buses with less than 9 passengers (which I have, my brother restored an old Leyland Atlantean), and a tracked vehicle, i.e., tank, which I have (but only a Russian one). I think I am entitled also to be an idiot, according to the back of the licence.... Si Trew (talk) 20:57, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm still so tempted to take this to Horse And Wells.... desperately trying to resist the temptation... Si Trew (talk) 21:08, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
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Hitler's aims



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 * The result of the discussion was Retarget to Mein Kampf. Despite only the !votes of two editors, one of which is me, this has been around "about a week" and others have had plenty of opportunity to comment. (non-admin closure) Si Trew (talk) 07:23, 27 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Hitler's aims → Adolf Hitler (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hitler%27s_aims&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

No specific section to redirect to. Misleading to the searcher/linker because of this. Not helpful. Unnecessary. Mr. Guye (talk) 01:25, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
 *  Weak retarget to Mein Kampf. Si Trew (talk) 07:26, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Mein Kampf per Si Trew since the book is his manifesto and since the lede also has a convenient link to Political views of Adolf Hitler. These two articles might be what a searcher is looking for when entering "Hitler's aims". -- Lenticel ( talk ) 02:01, 24 March 2015 (UTC)
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Hitla



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 14:03, 31 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Hitla → Adolf Hitler (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hitla&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

Implausible. Might be vandalism. Mr. Guye (talk) 01:16, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
 * delete According to Google, it seems to be like nigga but with less taste. Still, delete as a confusing term.-- Lenticel ( talk ) 05:26, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
 * 'Delete as confusing (WP:RFD). I can see it being confused with Hilter or Halter. We do not have HITLA but HITLER all caps does redirect to Adolf Hitler. We do have it at Village pump/Archive W from 2011 but that is just a very derogatory and stupid comment (section 156). Seems rather a WP:NEOLOGISM. Can't find it much externally either. According to, "there is a rapper named hitla", but since the front cover of that album has a certain Nazi on the front with the name in red Mel Brooks, famous for writing Springtime for Hitler (amongst many other things), and since the front cover says "Hitler" not "Hitla", I presume this is, shall we say, an abbreviation. This website is not WP:RS anyway. Si Trew (talk) 07:08, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
 * delete If there is a "rappa named Hitla" then someone can write an article but I don't see linking in every odd dialect pronunciation. Seyasirt (talk) 20:21, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
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120050



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 14:02, 31 March 2015 (UTC)


 * 120050 → Adolf Hitler (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=120050&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure: [ keep]/[ delete] ]

Number is not mentioned in the article. Makes no sense. Mr. Guye (talk) 01:15, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete no idea what this number is about. My hits range from an isolated protein to a Color space for green. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 06:47, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
 * 'Delete as WP:RFD confusing, WP:RFD makes no sense. I don't see any special significance either, I checked with My Favourite Search Engine if the spaces 12 00 50 in case it was some significant date/commemoration of something concerning Hitler, in some date order I was not aware of, but that came up blank too (as does 12-00-50, 12–00–50, 2000-12 fiftieth anniversary], and so on, and so on...). 07:25, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete Ref., 120050 was "the telephone number of the bunker and Hitler's living quarters". Got that result only more prominently with "120050 +hitler" and not only "120050", indicating this is too obscure.  野狼院ひさし  u/t/c 11:40, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Nice find, though. Si Trew (talk) 14:04, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
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