Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 May 30

May 30
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on May 30, 2015.

Miss Maybelle



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 14:28, 6 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Miss Maybelle → R. L. Burnside (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Miss_Maybelle&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete. No links. A song by that title was recorded by some artists, not just Burnside. I don't know if they have similar lyrics. trespassers william (talk) 22:49, 30 May 2015 (UTC) trespassers william (talk) 22:49, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete, WP:RFD, could be expanded into an article (at least, a DAB), no content at target. A search shows most things link, one way or another, to the Carter Family and Maybelle Carter, (whose daughters presumably would be misses, at least for a while). Si Trew (talk) 01:45, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
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Herbert John Gladstone(the lib/lab pact), 1st Viscount Gladstone



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 14:27, 6 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Herbert John Gladstone(the lib/lab pact), 1st Viscount Gladstone → Herbert Gladstone, 1st Viscount Gladstone (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Herbert_John_Gladstone(the_lib/lab_pact),_1st_Viscount_Gladstone&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Bizarre redirect, implausible search term. Had only 2 links, both of which i have now bypassed. Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:44, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete. WP:RFD, nonsense (also WP:CONCISE). Si Trew (talk) 01:36, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
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Upcoming Lauren Conrad series



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 14:26, 6 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Upcoming Lauren Conrad series → Lauren Conrad (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Upcoming_Lauren_Conrad_series&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete. This is an outdated redirect that referred to a series that never actually happened. Tavix | Talk 20:12, 30 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete. WP:CRYSTAL, WP:RFD nonsense: no upcoming series is mentioned at the target. Si Trew (talk) 01:39, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
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Leika, Leyka, Leica



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 * The result of the discussion was keep for now. Dabifying may proceed BOLDly, as no one has registered opposition. (Put another way, result was dabify, but I'm not going to be the one to do it. :P) --BDD (talk) 14:26, 6 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Leika → Leyka (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Leika&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Even so, it seems to me that someone as idiotic as myself is far more likely to want Laika the first space dog than a small habitation in Greece, considering transliteration problems in general. Si Trew (talk) 21:37, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
 * DAB it. Come to think of it though, there are some superb lenses under the Laika brand name aren't there? Has the Wikipedia search engine fallen asleep? Should I? I can't seem to find an article on them (but Google keeps getting in the way with this stupid new Wikipedia search thing even though I have set Wikipedia as my default, in theory.) Si Trew (talk) 21:40, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, that's at Leica, which is a DAB. We need somehow to do this better. Not sure how yet. (C, for example, would be transliterated K in many languages other than English). I think this is a problem of transliteration and could be tied up better. I do realise this is the English Wikipedia, but English people may have Russian cameras. Si Trew (talk) 22:05, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Probably need some hatnotes at the target, at least. Leica (disambiguation) goes to Leica, the DAB, which it should in the standard way. But there is no hatnote or "See also" at its current target. Stats (87 for the R, 141 for the article, take off the 87 via the R leaves 54 for direct access) suggest this is not the target people are looking for but arrive there automatically. Si Trew (talk) 22:11, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * This needs to link to a disambiguation page. There are other similarly named pages.
 * There is the redirect Leyko which links to Aidini, a white Greek wine grape variety.
 * Lefko is a disambiguation page for the Greek term (Λευκό, meaning "white". It can also be transliterated as Leyko, Leuko, or Leuco, transliterations which form the names of articles such as Leukoedema andLeucos.
 * There are names such as Leukon of Bosporus which are also transliterated as "Leuco" and "Leuko". Dimadick (talk) 07:22, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

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British Kashmiri



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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus. I almost closed this as retarget to Kashmiri diaspora, as suggested by Dimadick, but most editors didn't comment on that proposal. I'm going to request a move of the target article instead, so head on over to that talk page to participate. --BDD (talk) 13:45, 6 June 2015 (UTC)


 * British Kashmiri → British Mirpuri community (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=British_Kashmiri&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

"British Kashmiris" can be of Indian origin or Pakistani origin depending on from which side of Kashmir he belongs as term "Kashmir" is collectively used for both sides of Kashmir. But this page redirects to only "Kashmiris" from Pakistan administered region. There can be separate article on "British Kashmiris" which can include people from whole of Kashmir including both sides of India and Pakistan. For example Culture of Kashmir includes Kashmir of both sides.  Human 3015  Say Hey!! • 19:46, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Weak Delete. We are woefully inadequate on this subject even in the broadest general terms (I write as an "British white" according to my census return, since I am not allowed to call myself English on the last 2010return but I think on the 2010 United Kingom Census the Kashmir(i)s could choose one or the other – I haven't checked that yet) and we haven't British Kashmir. so that makes this rather WP:RFD Nonsense. If we haven't that as a WP:NOUN, we shouldn't have this as an adjective (and anyway the general form would be British Kashmiri people and, if it made sense which I doubt it would, British Kashmiri language, like we have English people and English language, and so on, as a general pattern, though I know other good eds here disagree that pattern must be obeyed slavishly). Perhaps WP:BIAS (redirects do not have to be unbiased) and I am leaning towards saying, well be bold and create the article then, but I think as a search term this is blocking the seach, amongst the other reasons (take note, User:WilyD) that I give above. Si Trew (talk) 22:28, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
 * I would accept that a redirect from a general to a specific case probably calls for red-linking to encourage creation here (or, if the Indian and Pakistani groups are too different, disambigging). If "White British" feels undignified for you, imagine how we "White Other"s feel.  (Especially when we speak a dialect of English where "ethnicity" refers to your cultural/linguistic/religious group, not racial group). ;) Wily D  17:06, 21 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep, the terminology does not have any issue as three-quarters of the British Pakistanis hail from Azad Kashmir (Pakistani Kashmir) and the vast majority of sources use the term Kashmiri to refer to them. See the article British Pakistanis to refer to the sources. If it really was problematic, the sources would not be using that terminology for the community, which is obviously not the case.  Mar4d  ( talk ) 06:36, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
 * , you created this redirect so your "Keep" is already considered. See talk page of British Pakistanis where I showed reality of sources where no source connects "British Kashmiris" exclusively with Pakistan. Moreover, Indian state of Jammu and Kashmir has more Population than Pakistan administered Azad Kashmir. British Kashmiri should be general term which will include entire Kashmir, not just Pakistan administered Kashmir. If you say people from Azad Kashmir are more then it is not the reason, tomorrow people from Indian Jammu and Kashmir can increase.-- Human 3015  Say Hey!! • 06:53, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
 * What you are saying is unsourced. Read the sources again, there are 1 million people from Azad Kashmir living in the UK and they form the majority of the British Pakistani community. The number of migrants from Jammu and Kashmir in UK is insignificant and non-notable, whereas there is a huge and vast body of sources and books written on the British Pakistani Kashmiri community, and they have been living in the UK for three generations. If nearly all Kashmiris in the UK tend to be Azad Kashmir, obviously the coverage found on the subject will be skewed towards them. You are having difficult accepting this fact and obviously have not gone through the sources, while your attempt to make their reference to Kashmiris as controversial lacks any solid reasoning.  Mar4d  ( talk ) 07:08, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Your comment is unsourced. -- Human 3015  Say Hey!! • 07:15, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
 * No it's not.  Mar4d  ( talk ) 07:40, 21 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Rename British Mirpuri community to British Kashmiris. It doesn't make a sense for a broader category "Kashmiri" to redirect to a narrower one "Mirpuri". It should be the other way around. I understand that British Mirpuri community only covers Mirpuris at the moment, but that can change once the scope is broadened. - Kautilya3 (talk) 08:42, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
 * , I think you are right. If we rename that article to "British Kashmiris" then we can also add about "Indian British Kashmiris" to that article. I support you. -- Human 3015  Say Hey!! • 09:02, 21 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Note Human3015 is now canvassing for opinions  Mar4d  ( talk ) 10:07, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
 * False alarm. Note that my vote and Human3015's acceptance of it here happened well before the note on my talk page. - Kautilya3 (talk) 10:31, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
 * That I posted on his talk page after he voted here, and my main intention was to show your biased "redirects" to Kautilya, as we 3 are often get together at one article many times and we judge each other's NPOV, So I was just showing NPOV of Mar4d to Kautilya3. Nothing else. He was already voted here, see timings-- Human 3015  Say Hey!! • 10:44, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
 * , Kautilya3 voted here on 8.42, and I posted on his talk page at 9.27 . Be clear.-- Human 3015  Say Hey!! • 10:50, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Unless there is something I am misunderstanding, Kautilya wasn't involved in the redirect issue. Regardless, I am not sure what your intention was. It is just a gentle note that posting on talk pages of uninvolved editors can be taken as canvassing. Not just in this specific case, but generally. Anyway,, since we're discussing Kashmir redirects - I see you had reservations over Human's nomination of Pakistan occupied Kashmir. I am assuming you must have noted the nomination of Indian occupied Kashmir.  Mar4d  ( talk ) 10:58, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
 * , this is not the issue here, I think we should talk relevant to this topic. Your one matter is already pending, you are not replying on talk page of British Pakistanis, we have to resolve that matter because after 2 days protection will over and I don't want another edit war, you have no points to tell there, first resolve that matter, admin RP is also now asking for source from you regarding Azad Kashmir is commonly known as Kashmir. But this is not issue here, you must reply on that talk page. -- Human 3015  Say Hey!! • 11:28, 21 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep The community is widely referred as Kashmiri by the British media itself unfortunately Human2015 has made a habit of being a nuisance with regards to anything to do with Pakistan or Pakistanis. Excipient0 (talk) 22:05, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete/Rename Term "British Kashmiris" should includes Kashmiris from both sides. We can rename current Mirpuri Kashmiris article to "British Kashmiris" so we can add about Kashmiris of all regions living in Britain.-- Human 3015  Say Hey!! • 04:06, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
 * You have nominated the RfD. Your !vote does not count.  Mar4d  ( talk ) 06:16, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep but redirect. The redirect should lead to Kashmiri diaspora, our currently underdeveloped article on all Kashmiri people who have moved away from their native region. Dimadick (talk) 06:51, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

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White Sux



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 13:40, 6 June 2015 (UTC)


 * White Sux → Chicago White Sox (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=White_Sux&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Somewhat insulting redirect that serves zero purpose. No links to it. Practically no pageviews (12 times in 90 days for this redirect, while the article it redirs to got 65088 views in the same time) and people who use this term to search for the Chicago White Sox definitely are familiar enough with baseball to find it either by its full name or one of the more appropriate redirects. AddWittyNameHere (talk) 14:23, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Weak delete as WP:RFD offensive. That being said, "O" and "U" are neighbours on QWERTY (and other layouts), so it could be . White Sox → Chicago White Sox and I presume the consensus is established that that's primary: it says so at the top of the DAB at White Sox (disambiguation). Without prejudice, in the meantime I have marked both "White Sox" and "White Sux" as . Si Trew (talk) 01:52, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment: I've got a QWERTY. There's an I between the O and U. ;) Same for the AZERTY. Also not neighbours on the Dvorak Simplified Keyboard. AddWittyNameHere (talk) 02:38, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Hahah, that must prove that I touch type, or something (I've a QWERTZ)... it didn't occur to me actually to look at my keyboard. You're right of course. Si Trew (talk) 05:23, 31 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment Incidentally White socks → Black fly and is mentioned as an alternative name in the lede but is not mentioned there ; White Socks → Chicago White Sox, which I've marked as and ; Chicago White Socks → Chicago White Sox which I've marked as, Chicago white sox is already an , and and Chicago white socks is red. Si Trew (talk) 01:57, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment White socks is mentioned in Black fly in the lead as alternative common name for the black fly. Not mentioned beyond that, though. Quick google search shows me it is indeed sometimes used as a name for those flies, but whether it's more commonly used for the fly than the baseball team...would need to do some checking. Thanks for doing the templating on the other redirects! I've now added Chicago white socks as a / to Chicago White Sox. AddWittyNameHere (talk) 02:38, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, I realised that just as I posted it. I don't know why my in-page search didn't find it the first time. Si Trew (talk) 05:23, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
 * "White socks" should be a disambiguation page. white-socks is a different topic, as is Lockport White Socks -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 04:04, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
 * There is White Sox (disambiguation), which is hatnoted from Chicago White Sox (I've now hatnoted White Socks there now, too). I've added "Lockport White Sox" there to the dab, and marked Lockport White Sox as . I've also added white-socks in a new "See also" section.
 * To confirm, are you proposing a retarget for White socks ( → Chicago White Sox)? I don't think we need separate DABs for "socks" and "sox" – although Red socks (→ Red Socks) and Red Sox (disambiguation) are separate DABs – but for example, Philadelphia White Stockings is listed there even though they are not "sox": and actually I'd prefer to merge the two "Red" DABs but am awaiting the outcome of this one for "White" before proposing that, so we don't have essentially parallel discussions. Si Trew (talk) 05:47, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
 * IMO, I think "white socks" should target a disambiguation page or be a disambiguation page (and the same with "white-socks") -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 05:53, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Which is now done. -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 02:08, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
 * the various Red Stockings seem to be unavailable from the dab pages for red sox/socks -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 02:08, 2 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment we can retarget to White Sox (disambiguation) as a R from typo -- 70.51.46.11 (talk) 05:02, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete, I understand the "typo" arguments for keeping it somewhere, but I think the "offensive" argument is stronger because it has the potential to be used in an abusive manner. Tavix | Talk 14:53, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
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Khomeini returend to Iran



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 * The result of the discussion was Deleted, via WP:CSD. (non-admin closure) by Si Trew (talk) 19:45, 31 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Khomeini returend to Iran → Ruhollah Khomeini's return to Iran (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Khomeini_returend_to_Iran&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I think the misspelling in this redirect is just too implausible. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 06:47, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete. Viewed exactly 0 times in the last 90 days (although that seems a bit of an odd statistic since presumably at least the nominator viewed it? But the stats only go up to 24 May). WP:RFD, implausible typo, and per that, I am going to take it CSD (created yesterday - but oddly, after your post, so perhaps it was deleted then recreated?) I've left a courtesy message at User talk:Rahpouyan110 suggesting that a WP:Piped link is better than creating redirects for this kind of thing. We also have Khomeini returned to Iran → Ruhollah Khomeini's return to Iran, which although correctly spelled could perhaps also be deleted as an unlikely search term, or WP:RFD confusing, since there ismore than one Khomeni who may have returned to Iran. Si Trew (talk) 10:20, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
 * When I found the page, it was on new page patrol as a just-created page. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 15:33, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
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Wujood-e-Laraib



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. TV programs are generally notable, so WP:REDLINK deletion here is appropriate. --BDD (talk) 13:38, 6 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Wujood-e-Laraib → Indus Media Group (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wujood-e-Laraib&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Does it make sense to redirect a drama serial to a television network? Umais Bin Sajjad (talk) 06:01, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
 * In my view it does! because that series, was on aired om Indus TV b/w 2004-2005. Any how i can't make an article on the serial right now, because i am busy with my graduation. And that's why i seldom visit wiki, now a days. Faizan Talk 15:41 May 30, 2015 (UTC).
 * Delete per WP:RFD. It could be made into an article (as implied by User:Faizan, above), and it's not mentioned at the target. Si Trew (talk) 02:30, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
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Lin Sue Cooney
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 June 6%23Lin Sue Cooney