Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 October 13

October 13
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on October 13, 2015.

Train-and-Equip Program



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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to Train-and-equip program. --BDD (talk) 15:58, 21 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Train-and-Equip Program → Georgia Train and Equip Program (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Train-and-Equip_Program&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Propose deletion. Unfortunately there is not yet an article about the generic concept of a Train-and-Equip Program. There however have been many Train-and-Equip Programs in military history, some covered by an article, some not. It is misleading to redirect from the generic term to one of these specific examples. PanchoS (talk) 23:26, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Convert to a WP:DABCONCEPT until such article is written. The only Train-and-Equip Programs that I can find with articles is Georgia Train and Equip Program and Syrian Train and Equip Program. There also exists James W. Pardew, so we have three potential entries in such a dab. -- Tavix ( talk ) 01:28, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Convert to DAB per Tavix. I think this is very much a US thing isn't it, I don't think the British military use "train and equip" as a term, at least not that I have heard. If they do they don't follow it, because we usually send our soldiers in untrained and unequipped. (Disclaimer: I worked on military training simulations for many years.) (Si Trew (talk) 08:18, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate as Tavix suggests. Without those finds I would be tempted to delete to encourage creation, but this outcome serves readers better unless/until an article is written. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 13:29, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Convert to DAB per Tavix. --Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 14:22, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
 * May I suggest the dab be at Train-and-equip program, which might actually be a good candidate for a WP:CONCEPTDAB. If we treat it as a proper name, it would be Train-and-equip Program (cf. MOS:HYPHENCAPS), but I don't think the general idea counts as a proper name, the way the names of specific programs do. --BDD (talk) 13:22, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I've created Train-and-equip program as a stub which will function as a conceptdab. I suggest retargeting there as R from other capitalisation. --BDD (talk) 14:16, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
 * With that work done, retarget per BDD. —&#8288;烏&#8288;Γ (kaw), 19:03, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Looks like we mostly have consensus. PanchoS, does the page look good to you? --BDD (talk) 15:33, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Awesome, BDD, thanks for creating! Not sure about which way the redirect should go, but don't care all too much. Ready to mark this one fixed. PanchoS (talk) 15:41, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I'll go ahead and close. --BDD (talk) 15:58, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
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Ugaritisch



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. What we found in the discussion is that Ugaritisch = Ugaritic != Ugric. Since Ugaritisch is the German/Dutch name for this extinct language, this redirect should be deleted per WP:FORRED. Deryck C. 18:20, 22 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Ugaritisch → Ugaritic (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ugaritisch&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

WP:FORRED. This ancient language has no connection with Germany or German-speaking cultures, none of which would exist until millennia later. BDD (talk) 03:17, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Finno-Ugric, essentially Finnish, Hungarian, Latvian and Estonian. This is a bit weird cos it is the German name for Finno-Ugric, but we can't help that. Modern languages from Finno-Ugric exist, so I don't think a delete is appropriate. Si Trew (talk) 05:36, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Actually I just wondered if we had Hungarish which would be the cognate but it seems we do not. Si Trew (talk) 05:36, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment The German name for Ugric is de:Ugrisch, several letters away from Ugaritisch. 210.6.254.106 (talk) 12:21, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
 * And German for Finno-Ugric is Finno-ugrische.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  06:53, 6 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Do not retarget to Finno-Ugric, as Ugaritisch is Ugaritic, not a Finno-Ugric language. I don't super care whether this is kept or deleted. —Kusma (t·c) 12:53, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
 * please do not change my comments. I said retarget and others are allowed to disagree with what I may have said, as RubbishComputer has done below which I respect, but You can have your own comments but don't go changing mine. Si Trew (talk) 16:14, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Whoa there. Kusma did no such thing. Ironically, though, you did change Kusma's. (I've fixed it.) Careful. --BDD (talk) 16:56, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Completely my fault then: I thought Kusma had, but entirely my mistake, sorry about that, and I have apologised on Kusma's talk page. Not technically an edit conflict but essentially so, and absolutely completely my cock-up. Thanks for fixing it. Si Trew (talk) 19:28, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete per WP:FORRED as a redirect from an unrelated foreign language. --Rubbish computer 14:46, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and per Rubbish computer; this has nothing to do with [Finno-]Ugric, and we don't need a Germanism for Ugaritic as a redirect.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  06:53, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

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 * Delete per WP:FORRED and nominator. Sideways713 (talk) 15:03, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Ugric language. To say it has no relation is sheer ignorance. Si Trew (talk) 21:46, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Apart from the fact that that's a double !vote, this is (as has been repeatedly noted) the German (and Dutch) for Ugaritic, which apart from a slight similarity in the names is completely unrelated to Ugric. Sideways713 (talk) 22:18, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * As for the double !vote, I have tried to clarify whether a !vote before or after the bar counts as "double", since I don't like to go back and change history when the bar drops (i.e. when we relist for more thorough discussion) – so please take both as one. The fact is we are not talking about the german word but the English word. Si Trew (talk) 08:12, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
 * The English word? What English word? "Ugaritisch" means "Ugaritic" in German and Dutch; it doesn't mean anything in English, which is why the consensus here is to delete it. Sideways713 (talk) 10:48, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
 * When you change your mind, you need to strike your previous !vote (not the whole comment, just the bold part). It's a lot easier for the closer when you do that, especially in bigger discussions when there's a lot to keep track of and it shows that you no longer hold that opinion. -- Tavix ( talk ) 14:00, 14 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:RFOREIGN. -- Tavix ( talk ) 14:01, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
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Mohammed and Mohammedism



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. Deryck C. 18:21, 22 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Mohammed and Mohammedism → Islam (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mohammed_and_Mohammedism&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Quintessential WP:XY. Is a reader looking for Muhammad? Mohammedan? Islam? A work by this name? I really don't think there's any way to know. And "Mohammedism" is at least slightly derogatory. --BDD (talk) 19:32, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Good question. Muhammad or Mohammed is transliterated in so many diffenet ways that we can't have alll of them, which should we pick? Mahammad goes to Islam but Mahammadaism does not. Si Trew (talk) 19:47, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
 * But "Mahammadaism" isn't a word, so it's unclear what parallel you're trying to draw. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SMcCandlish (talk • contribs) 07:19, 6 October 2015


 * Delete per WP:XY. --Rubbish computer 21:18, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete WP:REDLINK, we have a coordinate article in Christianity called Jesus in Christianity, therefore this should be a topic with a separate article, apart from the Islam article -- 70.51.202.113 (talk) 03:00, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, but that would imply that we should have Mohammad in Islam. The difficulty is in the transliteration, I think, not the creation of the article (I am not Muslim I am just vaguely C of E but can kinda do that because of that, standing aside, if you want). Si Trew (talk) 04:17, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete per others. -- Fauzan ✆ talk ✉ mail  07:05, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep This was to cover for the entry in the 1911 Catholic Encyclopedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JASpencer (talk • contribs) 07:26, 5 October 2015
 * Delete per WP:XY; this doesn't seem to be a phrase that can be parsed with a clear meaning. I agree there should be an article along the lines of Mohammad in Islam to match Jesus in Christianity, but that's neither here nor there.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  07:19, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

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 * Delete. The fact that there isn't coverage on "Mohammedism" is telling (it's a blue link, but the term isn't mentioned there). -- Tavix ( talk ) 01:30, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
 * It's a 19th century synonym of "Islam" (along with "Mohammedanism"), so I would not expect it to be in the article, as we don't write in 19th century English. -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 03:51, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not arguing to delete that redirect, it's just weird when combined with "Mohammed". -- Tavix ( talk ) 03:54, 14 October 2015 (UTC)


 * To clear the waters a bit, when I said "Mahammadaism" above is not an R, that was a typo with the last "a", I meant Mahammadism, which also is red. So the point stands but I typo'd and was not arguing for the one with my extraneous "a". Si Trew (talk) 08:15, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
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DemRep



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 13:48, 20 October 2015 (UTC)


 * DemRep → Democratic-Republican Party (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=DemRep&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete as vague; I see it more often referring to the Democratic Republic of the Congo or to a Democratic Representative. -- Tavix ( talk ) 22:25, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate due to there being several possible meanings. Rubbish computer 16:35, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
 * No, because that would violate WP:DABMENTION. -- Tavix ( talk ) 17:08, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 14:52, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * DelPerNom. I don't think this is a plausible search term for any of those things, frankly. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 20:02, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 14:23, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
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Monash



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 * The result of the discussion was Wrong forum. Use WP:Requests for history merge. (non-admin closure) by Si Trew (talk) 08:46, 13 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Monash → Monash University (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Monash&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Merge edit history from Monash (disambiguation). I was surprised to find that Monash is a redirect to Monash University, but concerned that may be my own bias showing as I was looking for the article on John Monash, so decided to seek a wider opinion. It turns out that Monash has been a redirect since 5 June 2010 when the previous content was the subject of a copy-and-paste move to Monash (disambiguation). These are the only two edits by. I propose to merge the edit histories of the two articles at Monash, leaving a new redirect at Monash (disambiguation) to the page. -- Scott Davis Talk 04:11, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * You need to request the history merge first at Requests for history merge. Si Trew (talk) 08:46, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
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Джек Дорси



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 13:47, 20 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Джек Дорси → Jack Dorsey (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%94%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%BA_%D0%94%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%81%D0%B8&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:RFOREIGN. Dorsey is American an has no connection with Cyrillic. -- Tavix ( talk ) 00:06, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete American programmer and entrepreneur, no particular affinity for Slavic -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 03:29, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Жерар Депардъе is accpetable because he knows Russian and is a Russian citizen — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arianator with love (talk • contribs) 21:25, 16 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:FORRED as a redirect from a foreign language with no primary affiliation to the subject. --Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 14:24, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
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Нян кэт



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 13:46, 20 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Нян кэт → Nyan Cat (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%9D%D1%8F%D0%BD_%D0%BA%D1%8D%D1%82&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:RFOREIGN. -- Tavix ( talk ) 00:04, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete No particular affinity for Cyrillic, U.S. creation based on Japanese wording. -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 03:26, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:FORRED as a redirect from a foreign language with no primary affiliation to the subject. --Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 14:24, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
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<span id="Инстаграм">Инстаграм
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 13:46, 20 October 2015 (UTC)


 * <span id="Инстаграм">Инстаграм → Instagram (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%98%D0%BD%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:RFOREIGN. -- Tavix ( talk ) 00:03, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete creation of an American and a Brazilian, no evidence of any particular affinity for Cyrillic -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 03:27, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:FORRED as a redirect from a foreign language with no primary affiliation to the subject. --Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 14:25, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Not associated with the Cyrillic language. The services also doesn't have notable projects in Cyrillic speaking areas. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:36, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
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<span id="Ж. Бибер">Ж. Бибер
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 * The result of the discussion was 'delete. --BDD (talk) 13:45, 20 October 2015 (UTC)


 * <span id="Ж. Бибер">Ж. Бибер → Justin Bieber (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%96._%D0%91%D0%B8%D0%B1%D0%B5%D1%80&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:RFOREIGN. Justin Bieber is Canadian and has no connection to Cyrillic. -- Tavix ( talk ) 00:00, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete Anglophone Canadian with no particular linkage to Cyrillic -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 03:28, 13 October 2015 (UTC)
 * BTW you might forget Шуберт. Arianator with love (talk) 21:18, 16 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:FORRED as a redirect from a foreign language with no primary affiliation to the subject. --Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 14:25, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
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