Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 October 22

October 22
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on October 22, 2015.

Fraternal order



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 * The result of the discussion was keep. --BDD (talk) 14:11, 29 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Fraternal order → Fraternity (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fraternal_order&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Too vague a term to be useful. It's not the same as a fraternity. We don't have an appropriate article, as opposed to a whole bunch of potential targets. The term doesn't appear in the current target, and the list article isn't really appropriate either. MSJapan (talk) 15:30, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - that's exactly what it is. Student fraternities and sororities in North America are just one kind of fraternal order. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 16:27, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Reply - You're supporting my point, though. Student fraternities being "one kind" implies there are others, so is the appropriate target Student fraternities, Service fraternities and sororities, either Category:Fraternal service organizations, something in Category:Traditional gentlemen's clubs, etc.?  No matter where the redirect goes, the target isn't unequivocally correct, and we need to define things better first. MSJapan (talk) 20:57, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep, the scope of the "fraternity" article covers all of these different kinds of "fraternal orders." Maybe the fraternity article needs a little bit of work to clarify that, but this is the correct target. -- Tavix ( talk ) 21:36, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep per Ivanvector and Tavix. —&#8288;烏&#8288;Γ (kaw), 04:29, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep per Ivanvector and Tavix. --Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 10:43, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
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La Murda



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 14:10, 29 October 2015 (UTC)


 * La Murda → List of Argentine films of the 1960s (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=La_Murda&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The 1963 film was actually called La Murga. Judging from Google, "La Murda" is a correct WP:PARTIALMATCH for other stuff. That stuff isn't necessarily notable, but I still I think that makes it too confusing (WP:R) to keep as an R from typo. 210.6.254.106 (talk) 15:13, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete . The film is not notable. Someone seems to have simply created a list of films that are listed on IMDB having been released in Argentina in various years, but there's no evidence provided that any of them are in any way notable. Most of them are redlinks, or stubs consisting entirely of " is a 196x Argentine film." and nothing else. Notability is required; we're not an IMDB mirror. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 16:32, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Retarget to La Murga as a plausible misspelling. It was pointed out to me at AfD that the film is in fact notable. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 21:47, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete because WP:R trumps WP:RTYPO in my opinion. -- Tavix ( talk ) 17:05, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per Tavix. --Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 10:43, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
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Tij.co.jp



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 * The result of the discussion was delete, without prejudice against creation of a redirect to a more specific target. Deryck C. 19:27, 31 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Tij.co.jp → Texas Instruments (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tij.co.jp&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Ti.com.cn → Texas Instruments (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ti.com.cn&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Website isn't mentioned at the target. This is an extremely implausible search term anyways, so even if someone does type this in, it won't be the least bit useful. - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 10:03, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep, after checking both URLs. Both are country-specific websites for the company; this is functionally the same as other URL pages, e.g. google.ca.  See Category:Redirects from domain names; we have hundreds of redirects like this, and I don't see why these two should be treated differently from the rest.  Nyttend (talk) 15:58, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
 * The important thing is if readers get what they are looking for, but the target won't help as those websites aren't even mentioned, some of the domain redireects are useful as they DO provide readers with what they are looking for. For a previous nomination please see Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2015_September_8. - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 22:10, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete per nom. --Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 14:51, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep per Nyttend. --Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 14:52, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete The domain name for Texas Instruments is ti.com, so that would be the Category:Redirects from domain names, not this. We don't have any information over Texas Instrument's operations in Japan or China, so having domain names in those languages is confusing and nonsensical. -- Tavix ( talk ) 18:20, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per Tavix. Unlikely search terms for TI generally, so we're likely to be disappointing readers looking for more specific information. --BDD (talk) 14:21, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 14:40, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete both Only the worldwide website should redirect to the company article. Country-specific websites could redirect to a country-specific article on the company if it exist (such as Texas Instruments in Japan, but it doesn't, and probably never will. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 11:49, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete both – Corporations have hundreds of sub-domains. Wikipedia isn't an online directory (WP:NOTADIRECTORY). Senator2029 “Talk” 02:31, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
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Cnn.co.jp



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 * The result of the discussion was delete, without prejudice against creation of redirect to point to a more specific target, if one is found to be appropriate. Deryck C. 19:27, 31 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Cnn.co.jp → CNN (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cnn.co.jp&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Website isn't mentioned at the target. This is an extremely implausible search term anyways, so even if someone does type this in, it won't be the least bit useful. - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 10:01, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment websites of foreign language media seem like plausible search terms for editors (e.g. if you see a website you've never heard of being used as a source, you can't read a word on the page, and you're trying to determine whether it's a WP:RS), though this rationale probably doesn't apply that much to CNN since their logo is in English anyway. Also, at the earlier RFD on CNN.co.jp (same site, different capitalisation), no one was able to figure out if this site was actually associated with CNNj. 210.6.254.106 (talk) 12:14, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep per the other 1,392 pages in Category:Redirects from domain names and per my comment on the Texas Instruments redirects. Why should this be treated differently?  Nyttend (talk) 16:00, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment. I think we had some RfD on CNN in another domain very recently, a squatting site (different caps)... so I can see why this would come up specifically. Nevertheless it is harmless as it stands. Nice to see you here. Si Trew (talk) 04:56, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep per Nyttend. --Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 14:52, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete. This is not the domain name for CNN. It's cnn.com, which is what fits under Category:Redirects from domain names. This doesn't, and in the last RFD, no one could figure out if there was any connection between this domain name and CNNj. If this is kept, it'll be confusing and a disappointment for someone searching for something more specific. -- Tavix ( talk ) 18:16, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per Tavix. CNNj would be a better target, but again, no one seems to know if they're the same or not. --BDD (talk) 14:20, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

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 * Delete – Due to factual uncertainties. Senator2029 “Talk” 02:38, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
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Template:Comma



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 * The result of the discussion was withdrawn. --BDD (talk) 14:09, 29 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Template:Comma → Template:Number table sorting (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Comma&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:RFD confusing. The target is not about commas. Si Trew (talk) 07:48, 15 October 2015 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Is it worth retargeting Template:, to the same place, or are we comfortable with "," and "Comma" having different targets?
 * Keep, useful mnemonic shortcut for a template that enters commas into a number, as in for . —Kusma (t·c) 12:46, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep WP:RFD. Would be confusing if there was a competing usage but I don't know of one or see one suggested. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 14:29, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment Just to make things fun, Template:, redirects to Template:·, which inserts bolded middots. (There's also Template:Comma separated entries, but the risk of confusion with that one is probably lower.) 210.6.254.106 (talk) 16:21, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep per above points. --Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 14:54, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 14:15, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
 * (replying to relisting comment) I think it's fine to have, and comma go different places. All of these templates do different things and were created for different purposes, and there are plenty of examples of this across the project. I don't think there's a strong enough case to justify the disruption that making this change could create. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 14:30, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Procedural close as withdrawn (WP:RFD), please. It's fine for the templates to go to different places, I don't really know why I suggested otherwise. Si Trew (talk) 07:57, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
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Baron Florey Florey Sir Howard Walter



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 14:09, 29 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Baron Florey Florey Sir Howard Walter → Howard Florey (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Baron_Florey_Florey_Sir_Howard_Walter&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Completely implausible. The Traditionalist (talk) 12:30, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. -- Kethrus &#124;talk to me 12:31, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment - I appear to be the person who made the redirect, and I can only assume I was working from a list of redlinks taken from some other encyclopedia, but that was 11 (!) years ago and I have no idea now :) No objection to deleting it now, of course. Whatever was linking to it in 2004 is no longer there. Adam Bishop (talk) 23:37, 22 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Doing a web search, I'm seeing him referred to as Howard Walter Florey Baron Florey. Then I occasionally see websites that screwed up the word order giving the format above. But we shouldn't keep a silly redirect because some websites have screwed up, so delete. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 11:54, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete as an implausible typo. --Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 10:46, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
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Draft:Ronnie Pickering (2)
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 October 29%23Draft:Ronnie Pickering (2)

Fucking Rail Nut



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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to Glossary of North American railway terms. --BDD (talk) 14:07, 29 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Fucking Rail Nut → Railfan (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fucking_Rail_Nut&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:R3 as implausible. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 07:24, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete Per above, seems it's attacking railway enthusiasts. -- Kethrus &#124;talk to me 09:31, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment Fucking Rail Nut is mentioned at Glossary of North American railway terms, with a source, since 2006 (that seems a bit odd, since it's not really a "railway term", but whatever). A rail nut is a real kind of nut (hardware)  for which we lack an article or even a mention to which it could be redirected. 210.6.254.106 (talk) 11:43, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep Retarget per Tavix (below) - WP:NOTCENSORED, WP:RNEUTRAL, WP:RFD. Goes where it should. I don't think it matters that it's derogatory to a fan group; if it was derogatory to specific named persons then we'd have a BLP issue. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 14:22, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Glossary of North American railway terms where the specific term is described. If someone then wanted to go to the railfan article, they can follow the link. -- Tavix ( talk ) 14:28, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete I cannot see any purpose for this redirect.TheLongTone (talk) 14:45, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
 * The purpose is to direct readers looking for information on "fucking rail nut" to where that information is. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 16:29, 22 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Retarget per Tavix. —&#8288;烏&#8288;Γ (kaw), 04:32, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Glossary of North American railway terms per Tavix -- Lenticel ( talk ) 01:00, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Retarget per Tavix. --Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 10:47, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Glossary of North American railway terms per Tavix. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 22:03, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
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Dumbass Miracle
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 14:06, 29 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Dumbass Miracle → 2010 LSU Tigers football team (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dumbass_Miracle&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete. I could not find any reliable sources that call the 2010 LSU v. Tennessee football game the "Dumbass Miracle". -- Notecardforfree (talk) 06:40, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - nonsense. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 14:23, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Strong delete per WP:RFD. --Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 10:49, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Strong Delete per above. Considered putting this up for speedy deletion per G3 or G10, but I don't think it quite meets the bar. — Godsy (TALK<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;"> CONT ) 22:15, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete - Looks like nonsense to me. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 22:24, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete nonsense. Probably a derogatory term from someone who did not like the result of the target sports event -- Lenticel ( talk ) 07:03, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
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House that Jordan Built
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 * The result of the discussion was Speedy Delete, G5 Lenticel  ( talk ) 00:59, 24 October 2015 (UTC)


 * House that Jordan Built → United Center (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=House_that_Jordan_Built&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * The House that Jordan Built → United Center (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_House_that_Jordan_Built&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:G5, WP:EVADE, WP:BMB and WP:DENY. This was created by aka  in violation of his block and should be deleted. I think that "House that Jordan Built" is an extremely minor name for the United Center, only giving me ~3,000 ghits. -- Tavix ( talk ) 02:39, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete G5 with all the others. Ping me if I need to elaborate. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 14:22, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Pages tagged. Guys, it's not enough to just write speedy delete.  You have to actually go and put the db-g5 template on the redirect, or nobody will speedily delete it.  -- N  Y  Kevin   23:09, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
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Murda Land
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to Murdaland. --BDD (talk) 14:05, 29 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Murda Land → Maryland (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Murda_Land&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I couldn't find evidence that this refers to Maryland. I thought about retargeting to Murderland, but it seems too implausible a redirect. Thoughts? -- Tavix ( talk ) 00:30, 22 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Murdaland with a hatnote for other spelling confusions or verifiable competing usages, I guess. 210.6.254.106 (talk) 02:33, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Murdaland. I don't think we should have a hatnote to Maryland, I'm struggling to find it but we had a fairly recent discussion about derogatory monikers of cities places and the consensus seemed to be to delete them, even though I provided RS for some. (I note we still have and, for example, so the consensus was perhaps more refined than that, e.g. to take each case-by-case.)   → Murderland, but Murder land and Murda land are red. Si Trew (talk) 06:01, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, I guess 210.6 meant to hatnote between Murderland and Murdaland: That would seem reasonable. Si Trew (talk) 06:05, 22 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Murdaland. Don't think the hatnote is needed, as there's little evidence that it refers to Maryland. Edit: Hatnote might be necessary for Murderland and Murdaland. --<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;background:#E6E6FA;border:solid 1px;border-radius:7px;box-shadow:darkgray 0px 3px 3px;"> Kethrus &#124;talk to me 09:45, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment: While I'm sure this is headed towards a WP:SNOW retarget, I'm questioning the notability of that target. I've nominated Murdaland for WP:AFD and depending on how that discussion plays out, it might be a good idea to have a second choice in mind, whether that is deletion, a retarget to Murderland, or something else I haven't considered? -- Tavix ( talk ) 14:16, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Murdaland or delete depending on the outcome of Articles for deletion/Murdaland. I don't think either one is a plausible misspelling for Maryland or Murderland though. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 14:27, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Murdaland  for now as a plausible spelling variant. The target may be deleted in the future though. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 01:30, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Murdaland per above points. --Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 10:49, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
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