Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 September 28

September 28
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on September 28, 2015.

Wikipedia:ITSA



 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was keep. --BDD (talk) 18:34, 5 October 2015 (UTC)


 * ITSA → Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:ITSA&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Shortcut does not make sense for target. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 14:52, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep because, surprisingly, it has over 200 page views in the past 90 days, largely evenly spread: see WP:RFD: a useful redirect. --Rubbish computer 16:33, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep per Rubbish computer. ~Liancetalk/contribs 23:11, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete: a weird shortcut. 333-blue 01:05, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep. The nom is incorrect in stating "does not make sense for the target", since it obviously directly pertains to one of the examples types given for that WP:AADD point. "It is a ..." – the invalid keep/delete rationale people frequently give, in which they explain what the subject (in their view), which does not actually say anything about whether it's WP:Notable, or does not otherwise address any kind of policy concern, pro or con.  Examples: "Delete: It's just another Midwestern metal band."  "Keep: It's a real TV show; I just watched it last night."  "Delete: It's a really well-written novel with an important social justice message."  "Delete. It's just more 'political correction' crap."  And so on.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  08:14, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't see any reason to delete this, but some explanation at the target page might be in order, as the section seems to have drifted off in a different direction from the "It's a..." type argument that was present when the redirect was created 8 years ago. I think of inherited notability as arguing that something is notable because of its association with something else notable. Inherent notability is somewhat different, though I can see why they were folded in together. Just rephrasing a bit could help clarify. I gave it a try. --BDD (talk) 13:50, 29 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep per SMcCandlish and Rubbish computer. Thryduulf (talk) 10:59, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep, harmless, deletion would break old AFD pages with no benefit. —Kusma (t·c) 20:53, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
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Hapan



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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to List of Star Wars species (F–J). --BDD (talk) 18:32, 5 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Hapan → Japan (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hapan&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Is a plausible typo (yes, I know), but people searching for this might be looking for some form of fan fiction, which isn't notable, but quite significant it the relevant community/ies. - TheChampionMan1234 09:58, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Rubbish computer 19:23, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. I'm only getting some fictional names for this search. I think the pronunciation angle is a bit weak as well. For example "Ja" in Japan would be translated into "ジャ" while "Ha" in Hapan would be translated to ハ -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:12, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * The H-key is next to the J-key, making it a simple finger error typo. And we have two articles about the Star Wars topics, for the language and the species. -- 70.51.202.113 (talk) 05:29, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete with Lenticel, who is our kinda expert on East Asian language redirects (but I learned katakana and hiragana many years ago in an attmept to learn nihongo). It would seem unlikely to me that an English-language speaker would search for it in this way. WP:RFD confusing, WP:SURPRISE. Si Trew (talk) 00:28, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Comment in languages that do not have the frontal labial "djz" for Japan depending on your transliteration, I don't know what it is in the IPA, you could possibly confuse this as the soft or almost silent "y" sound. Here we are not speaking but writing, so this is WP:RFD nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 00:42, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep R from typo if you have a QWERTY keyboard, such as most of the English-speaking world, the "H" key is right next to the "J" key; or disambiguate to the Star Wars topics (species, language) with confusion see also to Japan -- 70.51.202.113 (talk) 05:24, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep - This is an extremely plausible typo, and I think that deletion doesn't make sense given how helpful the redirect would be at least in some circumstances. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 09:32, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 14:38, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete. We can't reasonably add a redirect from every keystroke left or right on a Querty keyboard; that would equally give us "Kapan", Jspan", "Jayoan", etc. Andup or down is equally likely, especially ofn a flat computer keyboard: "Uapen", etc.  DGG ( talk ) 15:34, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per DGG. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 17:22, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete: that is dickilous. 333-blue 01:35, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Retarget to List of Star Wars species (F–J) and tag as . That section could probably do with a link to Languages in Star Wars, but as I've never seen more than about 5 minutes of the film series I'm not the one to do that. Thryduulf (talk) 11:03, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Retarget per - Unless you're an idiot you're not going to search "Hapan" and hope to end up at Japan..... It seems more logical to redirect to something that makes sense and that is a notable topic/article. – Davey 2010 Talk 02:12, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Retarget per Thryduulf. -- Tavix ( talk ) 04:37, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Retarget per Thryduulf and per WP:SNOW. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 14:21, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
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Antivillain
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 October 17%23Antivillain

Data disk



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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to Computer data storage. --BDD (talk) 19:02, 5 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Data disk → Expansion pack (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Data_disk&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:XY. The current target is wrong, but almost every article in Category:Compact disc and Category:DVD could potentially be called by the redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 01:17, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate between the most plausible top-level categories. Rubbish computer 13:57, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Index - dabs are for title matches which wouldn't apply here, but an index of articles about data storage devices (tape drive, floppy disk, compact disc, DVD, etc.) could be a useful target. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 14:06, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
 * We kind of already have that at computer data storage. -- Tavix ( talk ) 01:53, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Index per Ivanvector. --Rubbish computer 00:30, 19 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Weak retarget to computer data storage. It's weak because nothing there is called "data disk" but it would probably be what someone is looking for. I'm fine with a delete here too. -- Tavix ( talk ) 01:53, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 14:37, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Fine with retargeting, but would removable media be a better target? Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 19:01, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I briefly considered it, but decided that a "data disk" could also be internal as well. (eg: hard disk drive). -- Tavix ( talk ) 21:02, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
 * You're probably right. I support that. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 21:22, 28 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Retarget per Tavix. ~Liancetalk/contribs 23:13, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm guessing now deliberately without looking, but hard disk ) (hard disc(, floppy disk (floppy disc), winchester disk (winchester disc and compact disc (compact disk) would seem to me equally likely targets. DABit then with whatever above makes sense, I deliberately had not looked so that it is coming from a reader''s point of view, I hope. Si Trew (talk) 06:57, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok so after the guessing game I set myself, is a redirect to Hard disk drive, Hard disc also. Winchester disc is red, Winchester Disk is red, Winchester Disc is red. (You have Noam Webster to blame for changing it from "disc"" to "disk" in US spelling. We can diskuss that elsewhere...) I think we should DAB it. Especially because of the WP:ENGVAR of disc/disk, otherwise we would end up in a combinatorial explosion. Si Trew (talk) 07:03, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
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Russia in World War one
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 October 11%23Russia in World War one

Role of Geography in World War I
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 October 10%23Role of Geography in World War I

The Great Murder



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. WP:INVOLVED close given the backlog and unanimous consensus. --BDD (talk) 16:51, 11 October 2015 (UTC)


 * The Great Murder → World War I (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Great_Murder&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I would think this would refer to the Assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria rather than the war itself, but I was unable to find this phrase used elsewhere, so I'm recommending deletion. --BDD (talk) 14:28, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Weak retarget to Assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria. --Rubbish computer 16:35, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete per nominator. Without reliable sources, we're only guessing that this refers to Ferdinand's assassination because of where it currently targets. What if instead it pointed to Alexander the Great? Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 19:04, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
 * If we want to go that route, it could refer to any of these people (that were murdered). -- Tavix ( talk ) 21:04, 28 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. ~Liancetalk/contribs 23:14, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete: what does this redirect mean? 333-blue 01:41, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Deletewith 333-blue. I would have thought, my guess, it would mean the fact that about twenty million people got killed. I am racking my brains to think if this phrase was used literarily, one would think so, but can't think that it is. It's not in wossname Vidal Sassoon no Siegfried Sassoon nor in Owen (Dulce et Decorum Est ends "The great Lie") on its last stanza nor in any of the pacifict war poeats that I can think of, Herbert Read and so on, you'd expect it to be, but it ain't. I have heard it used to mean the Stalinist purges of the 1950s perhaps in a translation by Alexander Solzhenitzynin The Gulag Archipelago it might be in there, but even though RS that is a translation however a good one, and WP:NOTENGLISH. I can't think of anywhere I have heard this used as a natural English phrase. Si Trew (talk) 07:34, 29 September 2015 (UTC)


 * I could just about see that it was about the Assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand but let's face it it had it coming, that was just the spark to the gun~, he just happened to be the right aristocrat in the right place at the right time. Delete, meaningless. Si Trew (talk) 07:25, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
 * And apparently we can't be bothered to R Alexander Solzhenitzynto Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn. I bet there w3as a fight over that one, we do have Alexander Solzhenitsyn so I am not going to bother to suggest we create it. The fact we have already translated the cyrillic alphabet into english and the name "Alexander"in English is Älexander would have no bearing on the matter at all, after all, I managed to spell his surname right the first time in the transliteration, but who cares, we are not here to help our readers find what they are looking for. Oh, um, I thought that was exactly our job. I must be mistaken. Sasha (name) is usually the Russian and Eastern European familiar name for Alexander. Si Trew (talk) 07:36, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Famoulsy Margaret Thatcher called him "Solzhenit's'kín. We presumably have that somewhere, although WP:WIKIQUOTE would be better for it. Si Trew (talk) 07:41, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Our problem, really, is in the Decline of the English Murder. Si Trew (talk) 07:51, 29 September 2015 (UTC)


 * Delete per above points. --Rubbish computer 15:52, 29 September 2015 (UTC)
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