Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 April 10

April 10
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on April 10, 2016.

Simon Ignatovski



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 * The result of the discussion was speedily deleted by RHaworth per WP:CSD. (Non-admin closure.) Sideways713 (talk) 11:00, 12 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Simon Ignatovski → Communist party (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Simon_Ignatovski&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-11&end=2016-04-09&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Simon_Ignatovski stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Please delete. There is no connection between this high school swimmer and any Communist political organizations. This is very likely a WP:BLP violation and it may be considered an attack page. Mr. Guye (talk) 23:10, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, just speedy this, it's very recently made. Nohomersryan (talk) 17:29, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Tagged and deleted. Nohomersryan (talk) 23:12, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
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Ancestral Thames.



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. JohnCD (talk) 09:23, 18 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Ancestral Thames. → Ancestral Thames (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ancestral_Thames.&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-11&end=2016-04-09&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Ancestral_Thames. stats])     [ Closure:  ]

I think there is precedent against this. Implausible (but well-intentioned) redirect. Mr. Guye (talk) 22:55, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - I think this falls under WP:R3. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 14:41, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment - The accidental inclusion of a period at the end of a redirect does not qualify for WP:CSD. That criterion is restricted to truly implausible redirects - things so unlikely that they were probably created in bad faith.  These, on the other hand, are good-faith attempts to fix the following scenario. User A edits an article and links "foo" at the end of the sentence.  Not paying attention, he puts the brackets outside the period.  User B reads the article and notices that "foo" is redlinked.  Surprised, he goes to create the article but quickly realizes that foo does already exist.  Thinking that others might make the same mistake, he redirects foo. to foo.  While not the preferred way to fix the situation, it was not implausible as we use that term here.  Rossami (talk) 06:07, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per Ivanvector. -- Tavix ( talk ) 06:22, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete This is not a stylization or a title of a work that has a period in it. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 14:18, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
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Let's Marry
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 April 18%23Let's Marry

Portal:Nautical/April/10/Selected article
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 April 18%23Portal:Nautical/April/10/Selected article

File:PPA logo.png



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 * The result of the discussion was keep. --BDD (talk) 20:32, 18 April 2016 (UTC)


 * [[File:PPA logo.png]] → File:Poker Players Alliance (logo).png (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:PPA_logo.png&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-11&end=2016-04-09&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=File:PPA_logo.png stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Unused, overly generic/ambiguous redirect to a file  F ASTILY   10:22, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep The file was under this name for several years. There is no reason to insert red links in the article history. --Stefan2 (talk) 10:49, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep per Stefan2. "Generic" is not a listed reason to delete a redirect.  Rossami (talk) 06:10, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
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Pashtun (version 2)



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 * The result of the discussion was mild WP:TRAINWRECK. Delete the Pashtun, Fanon, and Anura ones. Quietism and Krøller eller ej have been deleted by RHaworth and Anthony Appleyard, respectively. No prejudice against individual discussions on the remaining ones. It doesn't look like a one-size-fits-all approach will work here. --BDD (talk) 20:21, 18 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Pashtun (version 2) → Pashtun (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pashtun_(version_2)&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-03&end=2016-04-01&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Pashtun_(version_2) stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * TRW/version 2 → TRW (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=TRW/version_2&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-03&end=2016-04-01&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=TRW/version_2 stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * Fanon/version 2 → Fanon (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fanon/version_2&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-03&end=2016-04-01&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Fanon/version_2 stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * Quietism/version 2 → Quietism (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Quietism/version_2&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-03&end=2016-04-01&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Quietism/version_2 stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * Anura/version 2 → Anura (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anura/version_2&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-03&end=2016-04-01&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Anura/version_2 stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * John Blain/version 2 → John Blain (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Blain/version_2&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-03&end=2016-04-01&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=John_Blain/version_2 stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * Sims/version 2 → Sims (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sims/version_2&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-03&end=2016-04-01&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Sims/version_2 stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * CQC/version 2 → CQC (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=CQC/version_2&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-03&end=2016-04-01&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=CQC/version_2 stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * Orange Walk/version 2 → Orange Walk (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Orange_Walk/version_2&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-03&end=2016-04-01&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Orange_Walk/version_2 stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * <span id="Krøller eller ej/version 2">Krøller eller ej/version 2 → Krøller eller ej (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kr%C3%B8ller_eller_ej/version_2&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-03&end=2016-04-01&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Krøller_eller_ej/version_2 stats])     [ Closure:  ]

There are a ton of these "version 2" redirects. I don't think they serve any useful purpose and certainly aren't' likely search terms, and therefore should be deleted. However, some have rather lengthy histories and we may need to merge the histories of these to their current targets. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 22:55, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep all and ensure all have the proper merge tags. History merges probably aren't worth the effort. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 01:44, 3 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment WP:MAD / WP:CWW -- has any of the content here been merged elsewhere? -- 70.51.46.39 (talk) 03:44, 3 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Move Krøller eller ej/version 2 to Krøller eller ej (song) without leaving a redirect behind; so we can get rid of the "version 2" name -- 70.51.46.39 (talk) 03:46, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
 * . The edit history has been moved, but the leftover redirect has now been tagged Db-g6 and is pending deletion. Steel1943  (talk) 17:56, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't understand what advantage it has to move the redirect, nor why you single out this one in particular. Si Trew (talk) 04:12, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Moving the redirect will result in a pagename that is useful instead of useless. Thus eliminating a useless pagename. If it was merged means keeping the edit history per WP:CWW, so displacing the page instead of deleting it is to be done. As for why I chose this page, it was the easiest one to find a solution for, since each would have a different solution, so there is no single place to rename these things to. -- 70.51.46.39 (talk) 03:19, 4 April 2016 (UTC)


 * All of the pages listed above are disambig pages, except Krøller eller ej. With some of these pages, in Requested moves/Technical requests I or someone was called on to move page X to name Y, but there was already matter at Y (often merely redirects, or a much shorter article (or a disambig page) on the same subject with no purpose in text-merging and often cluttered with old redirects). In such a case I moved that existing old Y aside to another name such as Y/version 2, as in my experience it is not safe to let a long parallel history sit deleted under a visible article with a long history. I have found that Quietism and Fanon and Anura and Pashtun could be history-merged with their /Version 2 pages, and I have history-merged them; the rest are WP:Parallel histories. Some of these pairs of pages seem to have arisen by two people independently starting disambig pages for the same word or name. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:43, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
 * shows these "version 2" pages also:
 * Dreamwave Productions/version 2
 * Galičnik (version 2)
 * Golden share/version 2
 * Finland–Latvia relations/version 2
 * Finland-Latvia relations/version 2
 * Germany–Serbia relations/version 2
 * Ikbal Ali Shah/version 2
 * Iraq–Serbia relations/version 2
 * Iraq-Serbia relations/version 2
 * Millennium of Love/version 2
 * San Benedetto in Perillis (version 2)
 * Serbia–Syria relations/version 2
 * Serbia-Syria relations/version 2
 * Suchitepéquez (version 2)
 * System resource (version 2)
 * Template talk:Bundesliga seasons/version 2
 * Template talk:Pedro Almodóvar/version 2
 * Template talk:Populated places in New Castle County, Delaware/Version 2
 * Template talk:The King of Queens/version 2
 * I have deleted all of these except Template talk:Populated places in New Castle County, Delaware/Version 2 and Template talk:The King of Queens/version 2 because their histories proved to contain only redirects and (except for the Template ... pages) a speedy-delete tag. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 06:13, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
 * In title only works to find pages that aren't redirects. Most "version #" pages are R with history/R from merge redirects, and thus will not show upon that search. (In fact, all of the pages you listed that were in the "Article" namespace that have now been deleted were pages that I recently tagged for speedy deletion after moving their edit histories elsewhere. Thus, that was the reason you found them with "In title"; they were no longer redirects since the WP:CSD template converted them into soft redirects.) The only way I know to find these pages is to do a regular search for "version 2" to find the redirects. Steel1943 (talk) 17:50, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
 * That "regular search" finds far too much by-catch, in this case 297,560 results; an example is Version 2 Version: A Dub Transmission. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 18:41, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Agreed, a lot of the results are not the "version 2" redirects, but to my knowledge, I don't think there is another method in which to make these pages appear in a standard Wikipedia search through its internal software. I have seen editors compile lists of pages where a certain string of text is located anywhere in the page name, but I'm not sure how they did it; it probably required the use of some sort of external tool. Steel1943  (talk) 18:50, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
 * The Wikipedia software maintainers should add to search-in-pagename an option to search in redirect page names. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 18:53, 4 April 2016 (UTC)


 * I have just found Template:The King of Queens/version 2. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 06:16, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the the thorough explanation about the history of these redirects and for your hard work tracking down the rest and merging histories. I can imagine that this took a fair amount of time to do, and I very much appreciate your efforts. How do you recommend we proceed with the pages that have parallel histories? I hadn't seen WP:Parallel histories until you linked it above, but that seems to suggest that we should leave the parallel histories at their current titles (i.e. at "Article X/version 2"), and I just want to make sure that is the correct method of preserving a parallel history. Best, -- Notecardforfree (talk) 18:12, 3 April 2016 (UTC)


 * If page Y was started by copying-and-pasting X, and they can't be history-merged, put an edit history note at the start of page Talk:Y . Anthony Appleyard (talk) 20:33, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Another solution, available on the German Wikipedia but not on the English Wikipedia, is described at Administrators' noticeboard. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 20:33, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
 * thank you for your advice and guidance with this matter. The cloning idea sounds intriguing, and certainly could help resolve these issues in the future. I wonder if there are other procedural safeguards that we could implement during the article creation process to prevent the creation of duplicate articles? Perhaps there is a way to inform authors about similarly-titled existing articles? On the other hand, if these are all the "version 2s" that exist in the world, it may not be that common of a phenomenon. Best, -- Notecardforfree (talk) 21:01, 3 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete any that does not have history that would need to be attributed. If there is history, history merge it if possible. If not, keep as the simplest option. -- Tavix ( talk ) 03:19, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Please see a related discussion at Wikipedia talk:Administrators' guide/Fixing cut-and-paste moves. The edit history has to be moved somewhere, but probably to a likely redirect term. For disambiguation pages, this is more difficult since community-accepted names for disambiguation pages are limited to only the ambiguous title and the ambiguous title plus "(disambiguation)". Steel1943  (talk) 15:19, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Also, I have "resolved" Template talk:Populated places in New Castle County, Delaware/Version 2 and Template talk:The King of Queens/version 2. The will probably be deleted uncontroversially soon. Steel1943  (talk) 15:29, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Omni Flames  ( talk   contribs ) 06:33, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete Fanon/version 2, Quietism/version 2 and Anura/version 2 per Tavix; these titles do not have substantial edit history that needs to be retained. Keep the rest per WP:CWW and per my previous comment stating that I do not know where to move the edit histories of the other pages since they were disambiguation pages prior to becoming redirects. Steel1943  (talk) 18:58, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
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