Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 April 18

April 18
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on April 18, 2016.

Portal:Nautical/April/10/Selected article



 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was Keep. With BDD's opinion struck out, and per WP:RELIST: "...A relisted discussion may be closed once consensus is determined without necessarily waiting a further seven days...", consensus is now clear and this discussion can be closed now without waiting another week, especially since the WP:NFCC issue reported in the nomimation has been resolved with  tags around the file on the target page. (non-admin closure)  Steel1943  (talk) 19:20, 19 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Portal:Nautical/April/10/Selected article → TEV Wahine (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Portal:Nautical/April/10/Selected_article&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-11&end=2016-04-09&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Portal:Nautical/April/10/Selected_article stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Violation of WP:NFCC: this redirect is used for the purpose of including a non-free image on Portal:Nautical. Stefan2 (talk) 10:49, 10 April 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep Once again, the easy fix for this is to put  tags around the non-free image in the article, so that the offending image does not display in the portal. -- John of Reading (talk) 13:53, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. It's not a WP:CNR out of article space so WP:RFD does not apply. The NFCC criterion still applies; and I don't see how a redirect circumvents it; it just doesn't work (and John's solution equally applies). (I guess it circumvents some page patrol?) It's not as if we have reams of redirects for the selected article for each day. Si Trew (talk) 20:12, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete? Since it's no longer the article of the day, this isn't used, and it's impossibly unlikely as a search term. Are redirects of this type usually established? If it's a common pattern, I suppose I can live with it, but if it's novel, delete with extreme prejudice. --BDD (talk) 20:29, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943  (talk) 20:37, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment - The redirect encodes the portal creator's choice of the "selected article" for 10 April; it will be used again on 10 April 2017. There are 365 or so similar redirects, one for each day of the year. Portal:Nautical is not the only portal that uses this scheme; Portal:Organized Labour does it this way too, and there may be others. Newer portals don't do it this way; instead of trying to displaying an entire article, they display 10-line introductions with a "Read more" link. -- John of Reading (talk) 21:02, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Very well. I think those portals would be well advised to transition to the newer system, since obviously this one is raising flags for some editors, but I won't press the issue. --BDD (talk) 21:05, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
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Citation needed



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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus. --BDD (talk) 20:36, 25 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Citation needed → Wikipedia:Citation needed (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Citation_needed&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-12&end=2016-04-10&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Citation_needed stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Is this an appropriate WP:XNR? (Note: I did not create this redirect. I only added redirect categories.) SST flyer 07:45, 11 April 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Seems reasonable to keep it. It's actively in use in articles and even if fixed, it's likely to be used again - the format of 'citation needed' tags is such that it can confuse people into assuming it's a simple link. Not sure there would be a net benefit to removing it. Andrew Gray (talk) 07:56, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
 * As to "likely to be used again", I just got a notification that it had been added to a couple of articles in the past couple of days. Someone promptly updated it to be the templated version. I guess this shows the system works :-) Andrew Gray (talk) 20:16, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
 * No it doesn't. It shows that some editors review and correct their texts. What you don't have is the co-respondent list of articles where it might be misused to mean the template, and not corrected, such as in Esperanto culture, Faster-than-light, Hasidic Judaism, Centenarian, Intelligence in the American Revolutionary War to pick the first five on my WhatLinksHere. However, it seems more to be used in talk pages. Si Trew (talk) 20:50, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. I don't dispute editors will try to use it, considering my own ineptness with typing the right brackets/braces, but since typing  makes itcitation needed and not in bracketed superscript,, it's a bit confusing either for the reader (if it's left like that) or for the hapless editor who wonders what has gone wrong; the error would probably be more easily detected were it a redlink. Si Trew (talk) 19:29, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep, refer to Articles for deletion/Citation needed, and a similar example Cite web. ©   Tb hotch ™ (en-2.5). 20:31, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, that discussion concentrated on not having an article for an organisation called "Citation needed", and there were comments on it that the WP:XNR might not be appropriate; it was termed a "compromise". Si Trew (talk) 04:23, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete a citation being needed is not reader content, it is editor content, so WP:XNR to non-encyclopedic pipework. Further, needing citations is not something that is exclusively a concern of Wikipedia, it is something that comes up in academics, so is not properly helpful to those who are trying to read something about citations and lacking thereof and the effects of that. -- 70.51.45.100 (talk) 03:48, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:XKCD and WP:CNR. As above. Wikipedia's citation tag is not a notable topic. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 14:55, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. As Andrew Gray points out, this is a common error by new users who do not know our arcane wiki-space conventions.  There is little possibility of confusion since there is not and will not likely ever be an encyclopedia article appropriate to this title.  Readers and new editors are trying to get to the Wikipedia template and we should not frustrate them with arbitrary rules.  A redirect at least points them in the right direction.  Rossami (talk) 05:57, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't think there is doubt that it is a common error. The thing is do we allow the error to rest or do we encourage it to be fixed? I feel that it would be better to have it red, and that would allow new editors more quickly to learn their mistakes. But (and I am not bragging here, just kinda declaring an interest) I am one of the rare class of editors who created families of templates, sometimes, before the days of Lua, so I am very familiar with the horrors of template syntax. Si Trew (talk) 21:05, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Sometimes a crutch is a bad thing - but you need it early on. A redlink does show the new user that he/she made a mistake but it offers no guidance on how to fix it.  A 'wrong' but working format will still look slightly different to the editor and provides them the link to figure out what they did wrong.  And even if the original user doesn't self-correct, it's easy for other editors monitoring the page to see the problem and fix it.  The error will not "rest" - it will get cleaned up either way.  The question is which is more supportive of our users as they do so.  Rossami (talk) 05:10, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
 * That's even worse, attaching a wikilink to the redirect to indicate citation needed is a very bad idea. It will appear as if it were encyclopedic material. -- 70.51.45.100 (talk) 04:13, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Technical comment. If an editor uses the redirect in article space instead of the template, the article will not be put in Category:Articles with unsourced statements from April 2016 (or whatever month). This might be deliberate on talk pages but seldom, I think, on article pages. There are plenty of redirects in template namespace (I use ). But simply mentioning the redirect does not invoke the categorisation behaviour; if it did, this discussion page would be in the category. (It's the Use-mention distinction.) Also, I think, parameters to a redirect are not passed along to the target, but I might be wrong there. Si Trew (talk) 21:42, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 20:36, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:XNR. Really all that needs to be said here. ansh 666 23:18, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep per Andrew Gray/IAR. Let's not making the learning curve for newbies even steeper than it already is, folks. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 01:21, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. Let's not making the learning curve for newbies even steeper than it already is, folks. —Anomalocaris (talk) 06:33, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
 * ... ? Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 22:07, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NEWBIES and WP:SURPRISE and WP:RFD; wot Anoamcaris said, but I am the policy bloke here so I link to what we all already know (but newbies may not). Si Trew (talk) 07:52, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep this is a likely mistake. It's easy to catch and help the newbie rather than have them make a red link and scratch their head, and to some extent having the XNR is self correcting, as the target explains how to do it properly.  All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 14:42, 21 April 2016 (UTC).


 * The newbies aren't going to be clicking on the link, though, they'll just see that it's blue and move on. I'd rather not perpetuate the misuse by making it look okay. ansh 666 01:25, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Someone is clicking the links. The page gets around 100 visits per day.  If you analyse the history dump of en:Wikipedia you could establish whether people correct this mistake on their own.  All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 14:08, 24 April 2016 (UTC).


 * Keep as a likely newbie error. Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 13:32, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
 * So we should do this for all cleanup templates, so that newbie editors can all mislink to cleanup templates with standard pagelinks? -- 70.51.46.195 (talk) 04:46, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Not necessary. Citation needed is by far the most common, and it appears with [] around it, which is probably a reason for the error.  All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 14:08, 24 April 2016 (UTC).


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Current Year



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 * The result of the discussion was delete all. JohnCD (talk) 16:44, 27 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Current Year → 2016 (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Current_Year&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Current_Year stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * This Year → 2016 (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=This_Year&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-24&end=2016-04-22&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=This_Year stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 March 31. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 20:34, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Present Year → 2016 (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Present_Year&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-24&end=2016-04-22&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Present_Year stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * See also: Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 April 1 (closed as delete by me); Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 April 1 (closed as delete by me); and This decade (PRODded by me, deleted by Rjd0060, who also speedily deleted Current decade, as it redirected there). IMO, this all adds up to a situation where G6 is appropriate, though I'll leave that decision to someone else. --BDD (talk) 20:39, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I thought about putting it up for speedy deletion or asking one of the deleting admins involved (including you) in the situations above to delete it given the circumstances. There was one keep at Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 March 31, so it isn't quite uncontroversial. Furthermore, it's technically ineligible for a speedy deletion or PROD as it has survived a deletion discussion, Redirects for discussion/Log/2012 February 19. If someone wants to IAR speedy it, and link to the consensus that has been built recently in various discussions, I think that would be fine. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 20:56, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * As an FYI, redirects can't be PRODded (sp?), so it'd be ineligible for PROD no matter what history it had. What's ironic about this particular redirect is that it would have been deleted along with This year if it wasn't for an IP retargeting it to John Oliver (comedian) just a couple weeks before it was nominated, and the vandalism(?) was repaired after the other discussion closed, so it narrowly escaped deletion. Personally, I don't see how this redirect is different from the other ones, so it should follow the same result. I don't care if it's done speedily or not (it's not a pressing issue), but since we're here, we might as well wait out the five more days or so unless an admin is up for it. -- Tavix ( talk ) 19:02, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Redirects or targets of redirects can be prodded, exactly as has happened on April 15 with Body of Work (album) while Body of Work is listed at Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2016_April_15. Have rug will pull from under. Si Trew (talk) 07:57, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Here's the relevant rule from WP:PROD: PROD is only applicable to mainspace articles, lists, and disambiguation pages; it cannot be used with redirects, userspace pages, templates, categories, or pages in any other namespace. Targets of redirects are usually articles, which obviously can be prodded, but that's a completely different matter. -- Tavix ( talk ) 13:08, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Indeed, but once a redirect is listed here at RfD it is not technically a redirect but some other kind of page (and as far as most tools know, it is an article). I didn't say it made any sense to prod it, but it can be via Twinkle etc... I must admit I did only have in my mind redirects that were listed at RfD or otherwise no longer functioning redirects, and didn't say that. Si Trew (talk) 12:13, 26 April 2016 (UTC)


 * This Year and Present Year were invalidly speedy-deleted in late 2012 as the result of a bad bot-action. They have been restored and converted to the dynamic code recommended in the 2012 deletion discussion.  They should probably be merged to this discussion and share the same fate as Current Year. With that said, keep all because they are not harmful, redirects really are that cheap and they get enough hits to show that they're at least somewhat useful.  Rossami (talk) 05:28, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Those double redirects were targeted there for about four years, hence they were deleted per the outcome of Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 March 31 under WP:CSD. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 23:19, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete to make my comment from above official. I don't see any reason any of these redirects should have a different result than the previous discussion. I've added the two redirects that Rossami mentioned. I disagree that the deletion of those were invalid, I specifically made a note about them in the previous discussion and no one objected, but hey, process is important. -- Tavix ( talk ) 18:06, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per Tavix. --BDD (talk) 20:33, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as all above and previous concensus, as WP:RFD hinder search, WP:RFD confusing. * Delete as all above and previous concensus, as WP:RFD hinder search, WP:RFD confusing. I note that that year, that day, that week, that month are all red; last year, last week, last month, next year, next week, next month and next sexagisennial are all red too. WP:RELATIVETIME. Si Trew (talk) 12:29, 26 April 2016 (UTC) Si Trew (talk) 12:21, 26 April 2016 (UTC)
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Let's Marry



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 * The result of the discussion was dabify. --BDD (talk) 20:31, 25 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Let's Marry → Let's Get Married (Russia) (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Let%27s_Marry&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-11&end=2016-04-09&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Let's_Marry stats])     [ Closure:  ]

WP:SURPRISE. Could easily refer to other things. Mr. Guye (talk) 22:45, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as WP:RFD hinders search as WP:XY; Channel One Russia says (with the redlink) that Davaj pozhenimsja ("Let's marry", Давай поженимся) is also a programme even though that is different Russian (not Добро пожаловать, as at the current target). There's also Pelli Chesukundam (but not Pellichesukundam) thus translated, and other things. Could DAB it I suppose, I don't know what a common-sense application of WP:PTM would suggest for (sensible) translations of titles. RU:WP has a DAB at Давай поженимся but I can't see how it's related. I guess the target should be interwiki linked to the TV programme at Давай_поженимся_(телепередача) but since it's currently a one-sentence article with no information on the programme that's by no means certain.


 * Please note' this was recently created (two days ago) by a new editor; the target is their only contribution. WP:Please don't bite the newbies. Si Trew (talk) 19:44, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment the newbie has requested assistance, at my talk page, for building the target location's article -- 70.51.45.100 (talk) 05:45, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Hi i am person who created this new entry. Please don't delete. In Russian there are two ways of saying this title, lets marry or lets get married, depending on the translation. Both are correct. thank you! Moscowamerican (talk) 23:27, 15 April 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 20:30, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate as there appears to be at least two television programs known as Lets Marry as well as multiple easily confused media over at the page Let's Get Married. Personally, when I first looked at this entry, I thought of the song by The Proclaimers. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 19:37, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Dab per Coffee. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 17:12, 25 April 2016 (UTC).


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Temple of Christ



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 * The result of the discussion was delete all. The present target is misleading and no convincing alternative has been presented. Just Chilling (talk) 17:57, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

My instinct tells me this should be retargeted to a Christianity related topic, not to a college at Oxford. Also nominated:
 * Temple of Christ → Christ Church, Oxford (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Temple_of_Christ&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-10&end=2016-04-08&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Temple_of_Christ stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Temple of Christ → Christ Church, Oxford (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Temple_of_Christ&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-10&end=2016-04-08&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=House of Christ stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * The temple of Christ → Christ Church, Oxford (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Temple_of_Christ&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-10&end=2016-04-08&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=The temple of Christ stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * The house of Christ → Christ Church, Oxford (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The house of Christ&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-10&end=2016-04-08&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=The house of Christ stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Oiyarbepsy (talk) 03:35, 9 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Christian Church (disambiguation), which will cover it -- 70.51.45.100 (talk) 04:33, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
 * This is presumably based on alternative translations of Christ Church's name in Latin, Aedes Christi, but no-one would ever actually use these names to refer to Christ Church - the closest such usage is "The House", which is already covered on the dab page for that. Retarget per the IP's suggestion, unless anyone thinks of a better target. BencherliteTalk 07:40, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Weak retarget as above. I wondered whether Christ's Cleansing of the Temple would be a good target for those containing "temple", but probably not. The House of God is a satirical novel, so that's no good either. Si Trew (talk) 19:14, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment. I've added the correct section link to the RfD notes for the bottom three. Someone should probably notify the creator, though, User:Neelix. Si Trew (talk) 19:21, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
 * We are not really required to notify Neelix. I usually do it once per batch. Legacypac (talk) 20:49, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
 * True, true, but it would have saved me a little effort to find out they were Neelix redirects had the nominator said so, and if they had their history pages linked (and the "what links here", and stats would be a bonus). Si Trew (talk) 20:55, 9 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Speedy Delete as Neelix nonsense. I added links for ya SimonTrew. Legacypac (talk) 22:38, 9 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment Lots of churches with the Temple of Christ name,, not necessarily affiliated with each other, so this would not suit WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Oxford one didn't even come up. If the Latin name is the primary name then retarget that one. This is like redirecting Sacred Heart Cathedral to the Paris building. The lower-case situations are even more general. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 15:11, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
 * and do indeed redirect to Sacré-Cœur, Paris, as does . (Not, ,  or  though. It might not be a bad ide to mention the Paris cathedral the DAB at Sacred Heart Cathedral (it currently isn't), although it is, indirectly, at Sacred Heart Church. Si Trew (talk) 03:40, 12 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Oppose retarget to Christian Church (disambiguation) since Church of Christ (disambiguation) also exists. (I was hoping that the nomimated redirects could be R from erroneous name redirects for this target, but now due to the other disambiguation page referenced here, they would still be ambiguous.) Steel1943  (talk) 14:39, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Christian Church (disambiguation) contains a listing for Church of Christ (disambiguation) so that is covered by the retarget -- 70.51.45.100 (talk) 06:37, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete all. We don't really have any good target for these titles, as the discussion thus far has shown. Deryck C. 22:01, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Retarget the first two to Temple. Hopefully this will alleviate the ambiguity by redirecting to an overview of "temples" in the Christian context. Delete the second two, I think those are a little too far off the mark. -- Tavix ( talk ) 03:58, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
 * For the record, I agree with Steel1943's opposition. My second choice would be deletion. -- Tavix ( talk ) 03:58, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 20:11, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * 1) Retarget per Tavix.  All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 17:10, 25 April 2016 (UTC).


 * Delete I just don't think we really have sufficient coverage of any topics that would actually be referred to by this name. --BDD (talk) 20:28, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
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"Tan Sri" redirects
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 * The result of the discussion was keep all. JohnCD (talk) 17:02, 27 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Tan Sri Abdul Kadir Yusuf → Abdul Kadir Yusuf <span →class="plainlinks lx">(links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tan_Sri_Abdul_Kadir_Yusuf&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Tan_Sri_Abdul_Kadir_Yusuf stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Tan Sri Abu Bakar → Abu Bakar bin Abdul Jamal (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tan_Sri_Abu_Bakar&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Tan_Sri_Abu_Bakar stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Tan Sri Ananda Krishnan → Ananda Krishnan (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tan_Sri_Ananda_Krishnan&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Tan_Sri_Ananda_Krishnan stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Tan Sri Azman Hashim → Azman Hashim (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tan_Sri_Azman_Hashim&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Tan_Sri_Azman_Hashim stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Tan Sri Dato' Lokman Yusof → Lokman Yusof (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tan_Sri_Dato%27_Lokman_Yusof&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Tan_Sri_Dato'_Lokman_Yusof stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Tan Sri Dato' Seri Abu Bakar → Abu Bakar bin Abdul Jamal (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tan_Sri_Dato%27_Seri_Abu_Bakar&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Tan_Sri_Dato'_Seri_Abu_Bakar stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Tan Sri Dato' Seri Musa Bin Dato' Haji Hassan → Musa Hassan (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tan_Sri_Dato%27_Seri_Musa_Bin_Dato%27_Haji_Hassan&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Tan_Sri_Dato'_Seri_Musa_Bin_Dato'_Haji_Hassan stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Tan Sri Dato' Sri Mohd Anwar Bin Hj Mohd Nor → Mohammad Anwar Mohammad Nor (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tan_Sri_Dato%27_Sri_Mohd_Anwar_Bin_Hj_Mohd_Nor&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Tan_Sri_Dato'_Sri_Mohd_Anwar_Bin_Hj_Mohd_Nor stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Tan Sri Dato K.R. Somasundram → K. R. Somasundram (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tan_Sri_Dato_K.R._Somasundram&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Tan_Sri_Dato_K.R._Somasundram stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Tan Sri Dato Lokman Yusof → Lokman Yusof (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tan_Sri_Dato_Lokman_Yusof&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Tan_Sri_Dato_Lokman_Yusof stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Tan Sri Dato Samsudin Osman → Samsudin Osman (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tan_Sri_Dato_Samsudin_Osman&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Tan_Sri_Dato_Samsudin_Osman stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Tan Sri Datuk TIONG Hiew King → Tiong Hiew King (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tan_Sri_Datuk_TIONG_Hiew_King&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Tan_Sri_Datuk_TIONG_Hiew_King stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Tan Sri Datuk Tiong Hiew King → Tiong Hiew King (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tan_Sri_Datuk_Tiong_Hiew_King&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Tan_Sri_Datuk_Tiong_Hiew_King stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Tan Sri Dr Noordin Sopiee → Mohammad Noordin Sopiee (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tan_Sri_Dr_Noordin_Sopiee&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Tan_Sri_Dr_Noordin_Sopiee stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Tan Sri Dr Runme Shaw → Runme Shaw (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tan_Sri_Dr_Runme_Shaw&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Tan_Sri_Dr_Runme_Shaw stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Tan Sri Haji Mohamad Noah Omar → Mohamad Noah Omar (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tan_Sri_Haji_Mohamad_Noah_Omar&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Tan_Sri_Haji_Mohamad_Noah_Omar stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Tan Sri Halim Saad → Halim Saad (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tan_Sri_Halim_Saad&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Tan_Sri_Halim_Saad stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Tan Sri Jeffrey Cheah → Jeffrey Cheah (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tan_Sri_Jeffrey_Cheah&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Tan_Sri_Jeffrey_Cheah stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Tan Sri Khalid Ibrahim → Khalid Ibrahim (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tan_Sri_Khalid_Ibrahim&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Tan_Sri_Khalid_Ibrahim stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Tan Sri Khoo Teck Puat → Khoo Teck Puat (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tan_Sri_Khoo_Teck_Puat&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Tan_Sri_Khoo_Teck_Puat stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Tan Sri Kong Hon Kong → Kong Hon Kong (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tan_Sri_Kong_Hon_Kong&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Tan_Sri_Kong_Hon_Kong stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Tan Sri Lim Kok Thay → Lim Kok Thay (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tan_Sri_Lim_Kok_Thay&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Tan_Sri_Lim_Kok_Thay stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Tan Sri Megat Junid → Megat Junid Megat Ayub (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tan_Sri_Megat_Junid&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Tan_Sri_Megat_Junid stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Tan Sri Mohammad Noah → Mohamad Noah Omar (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tan_Sri_Mohammad_Noah&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Tan_Sri_Mohammad_Noah stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Tan Sri Mohd Saleh bin Sulong → Saleh Sulong (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tan_Sri_Mohd_Saleh_bin_Sulong&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Tan_Sri_Mohd_Saleh_bin_Sulong stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Tan Sri Mubin Sheppard → Mubin Sheppard (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tan_Sri_Mubin_Sheppard&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Tan_Sri_Mubin_Sheppard stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Tan Sri Runme Shaw → Runme Shaw (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tan_Sri_Runme_Shaw&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Tan_Sri_Runme_Shaw stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Tan Sri SM Nasimuddin SM Amin → SM Nasimuddin SM Amin (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tan_Sri_SM_Nasimuddin_SM_Amin&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Tan_Sri_SM_Nasimuddin_SM_Amin stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Tan Sri Syed Jaabar Albar → Syed Jaafar Albar (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tan_Sri_Syed_Jaabar_Albar&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Tan_Sri_Syed_Jaabar_Albar stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Tan Sri Syed Jaafar Albar → Syed Jaafar Albar (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tan_Sri_Syed_Jaafar_Albar&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Tan_Sri_Syed_Jaafar_Albar stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Tan Sri Syed Mokhtar Al-Bukhary → Syed Mokhtar Al-Bukhary (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tan_Sri_Syed_Mokhtar_Al-Bukhary&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Tan_Sri_Syed_Mokhtar_Al-Bukhary stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Tan Sri Syed Nasir → Syed Nasir Ismail (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tan_Sri_Syed_Nasir&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Tan_Sri_Syed_Nasir stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Tan Sri Syed Sheh Al-Haj bin Syed Hassan Barakbah → Syed Sheh Hassan Barakbah (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tan_Sri_Syed_Sheh_Al-Haj_bin_Syed_Hassan_Barakbah&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Tan_Sri_Syed_Sheh_Al-Haj_bin_Syed_Hassan_Barakbah stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Tan Sri Tengku Razaleigh Hamzah → Tengku Razaleigh Hamzah (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tan_Sri_Tengku_Razaleigh_Hamzah&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Tan_Sri_Tengku_Razaleigh_Hamzah stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Tan Sri Tengku Razaleigh bin Hamzah → Tengku Razaleigh Hamzah (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tan_Sri_Tengku_Razaleigh_bin_Hamzah&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Tan_Sri_Tengku_Razaleigh_bin_Hamzah stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Tan Sri Vincent Tan Chee Yioun → Vincent Tan (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tan_Sri_Vincent_Tan_Chee_Yioun&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Tan_Sri_Vincent_Tan_Chee_Yioun stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Tan Sri William Cheng → William Cheng (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tan_Sri_William_Cheng&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Tan_Sri_William_Cheng stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Delete, as per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (names and titles). Alexander Iskandar (talk) 16:06, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment: Merged several similar discussions together. Steel1943  (talk) 16:26, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Weak keep all WP:CHEAP viable search terms, and these are not article titles, they are redirects. -- 70.51.45.100 (talk) 06:27, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
 * NOTE not all of these are redirects (some are articles), not all of these have RFD tags. Some of these contain edit histories (and should be investigated for merges and cut and past moves) -- 70.51.45.100 (talk) 06:28, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment. We have to be consistent in this redirect issue. We cannot simply let users create article with wrong spelling, inserting unnecessary honorific title as the page title, create redundant multiple redirect. Mahathir Mohamad has many redirect with variant page title. Tun Mahathir, Tun Dr Mahathir, Tun Mahathir Mohamad, omg.. is it recommended, relevant, significant in Wikipedia? The interested reader would simply type "Mahathir" in the search engine and they will get to Mahathir Mohamad article. Why do we have to make multiple redirect with no links (WhatLinksHere)? In short, we should be consistent to enforce Wikipedia naming convention policy. Alexander Iskandar (talk) 12:00, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Redirects exist not because pages link to them, but because people spell it that way. If you can't find the article because the redirect was deleted, it is not helping people. If people don't know these are honorifics and only saw the name as presented with honorifics in documents they are reading, then we are not helping people by hiding the articles by deleting the redirects from honorific forms. This is being consistent with the purpose for redirects. Redirects are not articles. -- 70.51.45.100 (talk) 05:44, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Weak delete Normally I might go with a weak keep on this, relying on "redirects are cheap." In this instance, I see a complete lack of utility to these redirects. I would be the same as redirects to "Mr." or "Mrs." So delete all for total lack of utility. Safiel (talk) 02:23, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Redirect. If not redirect, then Delete. Let's just standardize all of them just like it's done outside of Malaysia. I'm sure most of the pages with honorific appended were created by people new to Wikipedia. We can have the honorifics mentioned in the content page itself, but not in the title. The current honorific-laden pages are messy __earth (Talk) 04:14, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * {{U|Earth, they have already been redirected, just as they should be, because we do standardize these according to the MOS. The question here is rather whether should should keep the redirects from the original  incorrect titles.
 * Redirects with history of pages that were merged cannot simply be deleted per WP:CWW other actions must occur -- 70.51.45.100 (talk) 05:44, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep the redirects. They do no harm whatsoever, and we normally do keep a redirect from the original title even if the original title clear disregarded the MOS. In fact, redirects like these are I think a very good solution in such cases.  DGG ( talk ) 04:45, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep/cheap.  Lugnuts  {{sup|Dick Laurent is dead}} 06:39, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. These would be violations of the naming conventions if they were article titles, but they're not article titles. The names with the title added are valid search terms, and therefore good redirects. Howicus (Did I mess up?) 18:19, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep all. As noted in the discussions above, redirects are held to a different standard than article titles.  No valid reason has been given to delete these redirects.  Rossami (talk) 05:32, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep all. Redirects are cheap. Readers of the English language Wikipedia are unlikely to recognize these as titles when seeing them in an outside source and then attempting to look them up in Wikipedia.HarryHenryGebel (talk) 08:58, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

"Datuk" redirects
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 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was keep all. JohnCD (talk) 17:01, 27 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Datuk Abdul Azeez Abdul Rahim → Abdul Azeez Abdul Rahim (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datuk_Abdul_Azeez_Abdul_Rahim&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Datuk_Abdul_Azeez_Abdul_Rahim stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Datuk Abdul Malik Mydin → Abdul Malik Mydin (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datuk_Abdul_Malik_Mydin&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Datuk_Abdul_Malik_Mydin stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Datuk Abdul Samad Hj. Alias → Abdul Samad Alias (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datuk_Abdul_Samad_Hj._Alias&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Datuk_Abdul_Samad_Hj._Alias stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Datuk Abdullah Ahmad Badawi → Abdullah Ahmad Badawi (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datuk_Abdullah_Ahmad_Badawi&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Datuk_Abdullah_Ahmad_Badawi stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Datuk Abdullah Ahmed Badwi → Abdullah Ahmad Badawi (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datuk_Abdullah_Ahmed_Badwi&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Datuk_Abdullah_Ahmed_Badwi stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Datuk Awang Jabar Secondary Schoo → Sekolah Menengah Kebangsaan Datuk Awang Jabar (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datuk_Awang_Jabar_Secondary_Schoo&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Datuk_Awang_Jabar_Secondary_Schoo stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Datuk Awang Jabar Secondary School → Sekolah Menengah Kebangsaan Datuk Awang Jabar (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datuk_Awang_Jabar_Secondary_School&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Datuk_Awang_Jabar_Secondary_School stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Datuk Bernard Chandran → Bernard Chandran (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datuk_Bernard_Chandran&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Datuk_Bernard_Chandran stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Datuk Dr S Vijayaratnam → Vijayaratnam Seevaratnam (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datuk_Dr_S_Vijayaratnam&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Datuk_Dr_S_Vijayaratnam stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Datuk G. Palanivel → Palanivel Govindasamy (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datuk_G._Palanivel&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Datuk_G._Palanivel stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Datuk Huseein bin Onn → Hussein Onn (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datuk_Huseein_bin_Onn&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Datuk_Huseein_bin_Onn stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Datuk K. Rajagobal → K. Rajagopal (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datuk_K._Rajagobal&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Datuk_K._Rajagobal stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Datuk K. Rajagopal → K. Rajagopal (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datuk_K._Rajagopal&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Datuk_K._Rajagopal stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Datuk Kamarudin Meranun → Kamarudin Meranun (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datuk_Kamarudin_Meranun&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Datuk_Kamarudin_Meranun stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Datuk Kamarudin bin Meranun → Kamarudin Meranun (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datuk_Kamarudin_bin_Meranun&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Datuk_Kamarudin_bin_Meranun stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Datuk Lamri Ali → Lamri Ali (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datuk_Lamri_Ali&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Datuk_Lamri_Ali stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Datuk Lat → Lat (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datuk_Lat&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Datuk_Lat stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Datuk M. Kayveas → M. Kayveas (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datuk_M._Kayveas&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Datuk_M._Kayveas stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Datuk Mustapa Mohamed → Mustapa Mohamed (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datuk_Mustapa_Mohamed&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Datuk_Mustapa_Mohamed stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Datuk Nicol Ann David → Nicol David (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datuk_Nicol_Ann_David&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Datuk_Nicol_Ann_David stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Datuk Patinggi Tan Sri Dr George Chan Hong Nam → George Chan Hong Nam (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datuk_Patinggi_Tan_Sri_Dr_George_Chan_Hong_Nam&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Datuk_Patinggi_Tan_Sri_Dr_George_Chan_Hong_Nam stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Datuk Shake → Shake (singer) (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datuk_Shake&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Datuk_Shake stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Datuk Sheikh Abdullah Ahmad → Shake (singer) (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datuk_Sheikh_Abdullah_Ahmad&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Datuk_Sheikh_Abdullah_Ahmad stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Datuk Simon C. Yew → Simon C. Yew (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datuk_Simon_C._Yew&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Datuk_Simon_C._Yew stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Datuk Simon C Yew → Simon C. Yew (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datuk_Simon_C_Yew&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Datuk_Simon_C_Yew stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Datuk Simon Chong Yew → Simon C. Yew (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datuk_Simon_Chong_Yew&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Datuk_Simon_Chong_Yew stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Datuk Tun Hussien Onn → Hussein Onn (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datuk_Tun_Hussien_Onn&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Datuk_Tun_Hussien_Onn stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Datuk Vinod Balachandra Sekhar → Vinod Sekhar (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datuk_Vinod_Balachandra_Sekhar&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Datuk_Vinod_Balachandra_Sekhar stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Datuk Zakaria Md Deros → Zakaria Deros (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datuk_Zakaria_Md_Deros&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Datuk_Zakaria_Md_Deros stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Datuk lat → Lat (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datuk_lat&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Datuk_lat stats])     [ Closure:  ] Alexander Iskandar (talk) 13:56, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Delete, as per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (names and titles). Alexander Iskandar (talk) 16:06, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment: Merged several discussions together. Steel1943  (talk) 16:40, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Weak keep all WP:CHEAP viable search terms, and these are not article titles, they are redirects. - 70.51.45.100 (talk) 06:33, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment. We have to be consistent in this redirect issue. We cannot simply let users create article with wrong spelling, inserting unnecessary honorific title as the page title, create redundant multiple redirect. Mahathir Mohamad has many redirect with variant page title. Tun Mahathir, Tun Dr Mahathir, Tun Mahathir Mohamad, omg.. is it recommended, relevant, significant in Wikipedia? The interested reader would simply type "Mahathir" in the search engine and they will get to Mahathir Mohamad article. Why do we have to make multiple redirect with no links (WhatLinksHere)? In short, we should be consistent to enforce Wikipedia naming convention policy. Alexander Iskandar (talk) 12:01, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Weak delete Normally I might go with a weak keep on this, relying on "redirects are cheap." In this instance, I see a complete lack of utility to these redirects. I would be the same as redirects to "Mr." or "Mrs." So delete all for total lack of utility. Safiel (talk) 02:22, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Redirect. If not redirect, then Delete. Let's just standardize all of them just like it's done outside of Malaysia. I'm sure most of the pages with honorific appended were created by people new to Wikipedia. We can have the honorifics mentioned in the content page itself, but not in the title. The current honorific-laden pages are messy __earth (Talk) 04:14, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep all the redirects. They do no harm whatsoever, and we normally do keep a redirect from the original title even if the original title clear disregarded the MOS. In fact, redirects like these are I think a very good solution in such cases.  DGG ( talk ) 04:44, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep all I actually searched for "Datuk Abdul Azeez Abdul Rahim" (or some such), a name I saw in a newspaper, not knowing what it means. So it is both cheap and useful. --Muhandes (talk) 13:37, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep all There seems to be some confusion about the difference between a redirect and an article title. Or will the redirects Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr., Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., Dr Martin Luther King, Dr. Martin Luther King, Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr, Dr. King, Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr, Reverend Martin Luther King Jr., etc. all be next up? — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 01:15, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep all. Datuk seems to be used pretty much in the same way as Sir before English names and to an uninitiated reader might look like part of the name. Has anyone proposed to delete the redirect Sir Elton John? — kashmiri  <sup style="font-family:Candara; color:#80F;">TALK  09:40, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep all for same reasons as in the discussion above. Rossami (talk) 05:33, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

"Datuk Seri" redirects
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 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was keep all. JohnCD (talk) 16:59, 27 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Datuk Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi → Abdullah Ahmad Badawi (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datuk_Seri_Abdullah_Ahmad_Badawi&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Datuk_Seri_Abdullah_Ahmad_Badawi stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Datuk Seri Abdullah bin Haji Ahmad Badawi → Abdullah Ahmad Badawi (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datuk_Seri_Abdullah_bin_Haji_Ahmad_Badawi&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Datuk_Seri_Abdullah_bin_Haji_Ahmad_Badawi stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Datuk Seri Anthony Francis Fernandes → Tony Fernandes (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datuk_Seri_Anthony_Francis_Fernandes&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Datuk_Seri_Anthony_Francis_Fernandes stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Datuk Seri Joseph Pairin Kitingan → Joseph Pairin Kitingan (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datuk_Seri_Joseph_Pairin_Kitingan&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Datuk_Seri_Joseph_Pairin_Kitingan stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Datuk Seri Liow Tiong Lai → Liow Tiong Lai (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datuk_Seri_Liow_Tiong_Lai&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Datuk_Seri_Liow_Tiong_Lai stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Datuk Seri Mahathir bin Mohamed → Mahathir Mohamad (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datuk_Seri_Mahathir_bin_Mohamed&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Datuk_Seri_Mahathir_bin_Mohamed stats])     [ Closure:  ] l
 * Datuk Seri Mahathir bin Mohammad → Mahathir Mohamad (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datuk_Seri_Mahathir_bin_Mohammad&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Datuk_Seri_Mahathir_bin_Mohammad stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Datuk Seri Mohamad Norza Zakaria → Mohamad Norza Zakaria (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datuk_Seri_Mohamad_Norza_Zakaria&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Datuk_Seri_Mohamad_Norza_Zakaria stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Datuk Seri Mohamed Azmin Ali → Azmin Ali (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datuk_Seri_Mohamed_Azmin_Ali&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Datuk_Seri_Mohamed_Azmin_Ali stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Datuk Seri Mohd Ali Rustam → Mohd Ali Rustam (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datuk_Seri_Mohd_Ali_Rustam&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Datuk_Seri_Mohd_Ali_Rustam stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Datuk Seri Najib Razak → Najib Razak (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datuk_Seri_Najib_Razak&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Datuk_Seri_Najib_Razak stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Datuk Seri Najib Tun Razak → Najib Razak (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datuk_Seri_Najib_Tun_Razak&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Datuk_Seri_Najib_Tun_Razak stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Datuk Seri Norza Zakaria → Mohamad Norza Zakaria (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datuk_Seri_Norza_Zakaria&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Datuk_Seri_Norza_Zakaria stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Datuk Seri Panglima O.K.K Gunsanad Kina → Gunsanad Kina (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datuk_Seri_Panglima_O.K.K_Gunsanad_Kina&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Datuk_Seri_Panglima_O.K.K_Gunsanad_Kina stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Datuk Seri Syed Hamid Albar → Syed Hamid Albar (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datuk_Seri_Syed_Hamid_Albar&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Datuk_Seri_Syed_Hamid_Albar stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Datuk Seri Zainuddin Maidin → Zainuddin Maidin (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datuk_Seri_Zainuddin_Maidin&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Datuk_Seri_Zainuddin_Maidin stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Delete, as per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (names and titles). Alexander Iskandar (talk) 16:06, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment: Merged several similar discussions together. Steel1943  (talk) 16:40, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Weak keep all WP:CHEAP viable search terms, and these are not article titles, they are redirects. -- 70.51.45.100 (talk) 06:33, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep all —as per 70.51.45.100 above. I created one of them after coming across a reference to "Datuk Seri Najib Razak" somewhere; as I did not know his name from his title, I searched in Wikipedia (a search which should go right to his article). —Morning star (talk) 19:23, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment. We have to be consistent in this redirect issue. We cannot simply let users create article with wrong spelling, inserting unnecessary honorific title as the page title, create redundant multiple redirect. Mahathir Mohamad has many redirect with variant page title. Tun Mahathir, Tun Dr Mahathir, Tun Mahathir Mohamad, omg.. is it recommended, relevant, significant in Wikipedia? The interested reader would simply type "Mahathir" in the search engine and they will get to Mahathir Mohamad article. Why do we have to make multiple redirect with no links (WhatLinksHere)? In short, we should be consistent to enforce Wikipedia naming convention policy. Alexander Iskandar (talk) 12:02, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Weak delete Normally I might go with a weak keep on this, relying on "redirects are cheap." In this instance, I see a complete lack of utility to these redirects. I would be the same as redirects to "Mr." or "Mrs." So delete all for total lack of utility. Safiel (talk) 02:21, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Redirect. If not redirect, then Delete. Let's just standardize all of them just like it's done outside of Malaysia. I'm sure most of the pages with honorific appended were created by people new to Wikipedia. We can have the honorifics mentioned in the content page itself, but not in the title. The current honorific-laden pages are messy __earth (Talk) 04:14, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep the redirects. They do no harm whatsoever, and we normally do keep a redirect from the original title even if the original title clear disregarded the MOS. In fact, redirects like these are I think a very good solution in such cases.  DGG ( talk ) 04:42, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep all I actually searched for "Datuk Abdul Azeez Abdul Rahim" (or some such), a name I saw in a newspaper, not knowing what it means. So it is both cheap and useful. --Muhandes (talk) 13:37, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep all There seems to be some confusion about the difference between a redirect and an article title. Or will the redirects Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr., Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., Dr Martin Luther King, Dr. Martin Luther King, Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr, Dr. King, Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr, Reverend Martin Luther King Jr., etc. all be next up? — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 01:17, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep all for same reasons as in the discussion above. Rossami (talk) 05:37, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

Dato and datin
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 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was keep all. JohnCD (talk) 16:51, 27 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Datin Paduka Rosmah Mansor → Rosmah Mansor (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datin_Paduka_Rosmah_Mansor&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Datin_Paduka_Rosmah_Mansor stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * Datin Seri Endon Mahmood → Endon Mahmood (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datin_Seri_Endon_Mahmood&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Datin_Seri_Endon_Mahmood stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * Datin Seri Paduka Rosmah Mansor → Rosmah Mansor (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datin_Seri_Paduka_Rosmah_Mansor&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Datin_Seri_Paduka_Rosmah_Mansor stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * Dato' Arthur Tan → Tan Chin Nam (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dato%27_Arthur_Tan&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Dato'_Arthur_Tan stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * Dato' Dr Low Bin Tick → Low Bin Tick (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dato%27_Dr_Low_Bin_Tick&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Dato'_Dr_Low_Bin_Tick stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * Dato' Farah Khan → Farah Khan (Malaysian businesswoman) (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dato%27_Farah_Khan&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Dato'_Farah_Khan stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * Dato' Jaafar Muhammad → Jaafar Mohamed (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dato%27_Jaafar_Muhammad&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Dato'_Jaafar_Muhammad stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * Dato' Megat Yunus → Megat Yunus (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dato%27_Megat_Yunus&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Dato'_Megat_Yunus stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * Dato' Muhammad bin Sharif Othman → Muhammad Sharif Othman (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dato%27_Muhammad_bin_Sharif_Othman&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Dato'_Muhammad_bin_Sharif_Othman stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * Dato' Musa bin Wahab → Musa Wahab (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dato%27_Musa_bin_Wahab&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Dato'_Musa_bin_Wahab stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * Dato' Norza Zakaria → Mohamad Norza Zakaria (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dato%27_Norza_Zakaria&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Dato'_Norza_Zakaria stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * Dato' Onn Ja'afar → Onn Jaafar (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dato%27_Onn_Ja%27afar&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Dato'_Onn_Ja'afar stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * Dato' Onn Jaafar → Onn Jaafar (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dato%27_Onn_Jaafar&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Dato'_Onn_Jaafar stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * Dato' Paduka Ahmad Basri Akil → Ahmad Basri Akil (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dato%27_Paduka_Ahmad_Basri_Akil&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Dato'_Paduka_Ahmad_Basri_Akil stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * Dato' Seri Abdullah bin Haji Ahmad Badawi → Abdullah Ahmad Badawi (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dato%27_Seri_Abdullah_bin_Haji_Ahmad_Badawi&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Dato'_Seri_Abdullah_bin_Haji_Ahmad_Badawi stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * Dato' Seri Diraja Tajol Rosli bin Mohd Ghazali → Tajol Rosli Mohd Ghazali (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dato%27_Seri_Diraja_Tajol_Rosli_bin_Mohd_Ghazali&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Dato'_Seri_Diraja_Tajol_Rosli_bin_Mohd_Ghazali stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * Dato' Seri Hishammuddin Bin Tun Hussein → Hishammuddin Hussein (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dato%27_Seri_Hishammuddin_Bin_Tun_Hussein&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Dato'_Seri_Hishammuddin_Bin_Tun_Hussein stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * Dato' Seri Ir Hj. Mohammad Nizar Bin Jamaluddin v. Dato' Dr. Zambry Bin Abd. Kadir → Mohammad Nizar Jamaluddin v Zambry Abdul Kadir (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dato%27_Seri_Ir_Hj._Mohammad_Nizar_Bin_Jamaluddin_v._Dato%27_Dr._Zambry_Bin_Abd._Kadir&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Dato'_Seri_Ir_Hj._Mohammad_Nizar_Bin_Jamaluddin_v._Dato'_Dr._Zambry_Bin_Abd._Kadir stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * Dato' Seri Megat Jaafar → Megat Jaafar (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dato%27_Seri_Megat_Jaafar&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Dato'_Seri_Megat_Jaafar stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * Dato' Seri Najib Tun Razak → Najib Razak (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dato%27_Seri_Najib_Tun_Razak&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Dato'_Seri_Najib_Tun_Razak stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * Dato' Soh Chin Aun → Soh Chin Aun (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dato%27_Soh_Chin_Aun&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Dato'_Soh_Chin_Aun stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * Dato Abdul Malik Mydin → Abdul Malik Mydin (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dato_Abdul_Malik_Mydin&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Dato_Abdul_Malik_Mydin stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * Dato Arthur Tan → Tan Chin Nam (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dato_Arthur_Tan&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Dato_Arthur_Tan stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * Dato Maharajalela Lela → Lela Pandak Lam (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dato_Maharajalela_Lela&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Dato_Maharajalela_Lela stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * Dato Onn Bin Ja'afar → Onn Jaafar (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dato_Onn_Bin_Ja%27afar&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Dato_Onn_Bin_Ja'afar stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * Dato Onn Ja'afar → Onn Jaafar (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dato_Onn_Ja%27afar&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Dato_Onn_Ja'afar stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * Dato Onn Jaafar → Onn Jaafar (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dato_Onn_Jaafar&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Dato_Onn_Jaafar stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * Dato Paduka Haji Marsal Bin Maun → Marsal Maun (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dato_Paduka_Haji_Marsal_Bin_Maun&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Dato_Paduka_Haji_Marsal_Bin_Maun stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * Dato Param Cumaraswamy → Param Cumaraswamy (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dato_Param_Cumaraswamy&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Dato_Param_Cumaraswamy stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * Dato Shake → Shake (singer) (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dato_Shake&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Dato_Shake stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * Dato Sri. Vijay Eswaran → Vijay Eswaran (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dato_Sri._Vijay_Eswaran&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Dato_Sri._Vijay_Eswaran stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * Dato Sri Mohd Najib Bin Tun Hj Abd Razak → Najib Razak (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dato_Sri_Mohd_Najib_Bin_Tun_Hj_Abd_Razak&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Dato_Sri_Mohd_Najib_Bin_Tun_Hj_Abd_Razak stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * Dato Sri Tahir → Tahir (Indonesian businessman) (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dato_Sri_Tahir&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Dato_Sri_Tahir stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * Dato Tan Chin Nam → Tan Chin Nam (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dato_Tan_Chin_Nam&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Dato_Tan_Chin_Nam stats])     [ Closure:  ]


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 * <span id="Dato’ Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi">Dato’ Seri Abdullah Ahmad Badawi → Abdullah Ahmad Badawi (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dato%E2%80%99_Seri_Abdullah_Ahmad_Badawi&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Dato’_Seri_Abdullah_Ahmad_Badawi stats])     [ Closure:  ]


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 * <span id="Dato’ Siti Nurhaliza">Dato’ Siti Nurhaliza → Siti Nurhaliza (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dato%E2%80%99_Siti_Nurhaliza&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Dato’_Siti_Nurhaliza stats])     [ Closure:  ]
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Delete, as per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (names and titles) Alexander Iskandar (talk) 12:25, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Note Many identical discussions combined. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 13:30, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Weak keep all WP:CHEAP viable search terms, and these are not article titles, they are redirects. -- 70.51.45.100 (talk) 06:34, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment Redirects are cheap, but I've had a hard time verifying this title, specifically at Vijay Eswaran, which has a history of weak sources and promotional edits. Ideally, these should all be reliably verified in the articles before having redirects, but that seems like a lot of work for little benefit. Grayfell (talk) 21:40, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment. We have to be consistent in this redirect issue. We cannot simply let users create article with wrong spelling, inserting unnecessary honorific title as the page title, create redundant multiple redirect. Mahathir Mohamad has many redirect with variant page title. Tun Mahathir, Tun Dr Mahathir, Tun Mahathir Mohamad, omg.. is it recommended, relevant, significant in Wikipedia? The interested reader would simply type "Mahathir" in the search engine and they will get to Mahathir Mohamad article. Why do we have to make multiple redirect with no links (WhatLinksHere)? In short, we should be consistent to enforce Wikipedia naming convention policy. Alexander Iskandar (talk) 12:03, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Weak delete Normally I might go with a weak keep on this, relying on "redirects are cheap." In this instance, I see a complete lack of utility to these redirects. I would be the same as redirects to "Mr." or "Mrs." So delete all for total lack of utility. Safiel (talk) 02:18, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Redirect. If not redirect, then Delete. Let's just standardize all of them just like it's done outside of Malaysia. I'm sure most of the pages with honorific appended were created by people new to Wikipedia. We can have the honorifics mentioned in the content page itself, but not in the title. The current honorific-laden pages are messy __earth (Talk) 04:14, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep all  the redirects. They do no harm whatsoever, and we normally do keep a redirect from the original title even if the original title clear disregarded  the MOS. In fact, redirects like these are I think a very good solution in such cases.  DGG ( talk ) 04:43, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep all I actually searched for "Datuk Abdul Azeez Abdul Rahim" (or some such), a name I saw in a newspaper, not knowing what it means. So it is both cheap and useful. --Muhandes (talk) 13:37, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep this is what redirects are for. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 14:36, 21 April 2016 (UTC).


 * Keep all There seems to be some confusion about the difference between a redirect and an article title. Or will the redirects Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr., Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., Dr Martin Luther King, Dr. Martin Luther King, Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr, Dr. King, Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr, Reverend Martin Luther King Jr., etc. all be next up? — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 01:19, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep all for same reasons as in the discussion above. Rossami (talk) 05:37, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
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Mellstock
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to Thomas Hardy's Wessex. (non-admin closure) -- Tavix ( talk ) 23:29, 26 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Mellstock → Stinsford (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mellstock&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Mellstock stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Mellstock is a fictional town used in a couple of books. Stinsford is the real inspiration. Such a redirect doesn't make sense. It's like redirecting Cicely, Alaska to Talkeetna, Alaska or Metropolis (city) to New York City. Deletion probably is the best option, since users would see search results pointing to the fictional works involved. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 13:19, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Thomas Hardy's Wessex, which puts it all in context. Could point to sections "Thomas Hardy's Wessex names" or "Table of Wessex place-names, their actual places, and their appearance in Hardy's novels"; maybe we could anchor it to Mellstock's entry in the latter. Right now, only Casterbridge and Cresscombe redirect here, but IMO, they're good precedent. (The former is not a Neelix redirect.) -- BDD (talk) 19:10, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Retarget per BDD. &mdash; RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:00, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Ditto. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 17:13, 25 April 2016 (UTC).


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<span id="Template:Bistrița-Năsăud-geo-stub">Template:Bistrița-Năsăud-geo-stub
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 * The result of the discussion was keep (non-admin closure) -- Tavix ( talk ) 20:40, 27 April 2016 (UTC)


 * <span id="Template:Bistrița-Năsăud-geo-stub">Template:Bistrița-Năsăud-geo-stub → Template:BistrițaNăsăud-geo-stub (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Bistri%C8%9Ba-N%C4%83s%C4%83ud-geo-stub&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Template:Bistrița-Năsăud-geo-stub stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Misnamed stub tag redirect (it's not a type of Năsăud-geo-stub), now orphaned עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 14:31, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment the base article for this region is Bistrița-Năsăud County -- 70.51.45.100 (talk) 06:35, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep Plausible error for those unfamiliar with stub naming conventions, and entirely unambiguous. --BDD (talk) 20:26, 25 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep per BDD. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 19:36, 27 April 2016 (UTC).


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<span id="Karatepe-Arslantaş National Park">Karatepe-Arslantaş National Park
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to Karatepe-Aslantaş National Park, which seems like the obvious consensus despite keep votes nominally favoring just plain Karatepe. Please let me know if I've misunderstood (ping ping ping) . --BDD (talk) 20:23, 25 April 2016 (UTC)


 * <span id="Karatepe-Arslantaş National Park">Karatepe-Arslantaş National Park → Karatepe (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Karatepe-Arslanta%C5%9F_National_Park&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Karatepe-Arslantaş_National_Park stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Redirect has been in place since 2007, but is a not-very-plausible typo of Karatepe-Aslantaş National Park (the extra "r" in Aslantaş). ansh 666 11:58, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * The title "Karatepe-Arslantaş" is definitely wrong if you check with a Google search. Not understandable why we must keep a mistyped title even it's so old. CeeGee 12:19, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. I think it's an alternative (German?) spelling rather than a typo. The German Wikipedia has a page de:Karatepe-Arslantaş so it will probably help smooth interwiki links. A quick Google search for "Karatepe-Arslantaş" turns up number of reliable English-language sources using that spelling too, e.g. this book review in AJA (in the body of the text, but not the title). Joe Roe (talk) 14:48, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, that would fall under WP:RFOREIGN, since neither English Wikipedia nor this national park in Turkey have any particular affinity for German. ansh 666 23:21, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Not necessarily. It's an alternative spelling that is more common in German than English, not a translation. As I said it does appear in English language sources. Here are a few more:  . It doesn't seem implausible that someone coming across the site/national park from those sources would look for it here with that spelling. Joe Roe (talk) 13:15, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - Even if its not a very common typo or flubbed alternative spelling based on translations, I feel inclined to keep this if we it is indeed something that happens out there 'in the wild' and the redirect isn't doing any harm, which it isn't. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 15:38, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. It's not harmful and it may be helpful, especially if as Joe Roe says, this is an alternate transliteration.  More, as old as it is, there may be links in history or externally (things that won't show in "what links here".  No reason to make the problem of linkrot worse if there is no potential for confusion.  Rossami (talk) 05:41, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
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I am from Windows
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 20:20, 25 April 2016 (UTC)


 * I am from Windows → Virus hoax (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=I_am_from_Windows&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=I_am_from_Windows stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Implausible search term, if anything retarget to technical support scam. Could refer to actual Microsoft representatives etc. - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 05:50, 18 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep - I created the redirect in 2012 because it is the most likely search term that readers will use to find information on the subject, especially when they don't know what subject they are actually looking for. The redirect is based on what Indian scammers say when you answer the phone. "Hello I am calling from Windows to tell you you have a virus on your computer". I got six more of these calls last week, so it is still ongoing. The point is that a reader will not understand what the phone calls are about, but will search for that introductory sentence and that will lead them to Virus hoax, which is the answer to the question, "what is this about?" changing the redirect to point to Technical support scam, would be fine as well. Due to the wording used by the scammers this is an appropriate redirect for this article or to Technical support scam. - Ahunt (talk) 18:11, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - Vague. No mention at the potential targets. As Ahunt points out, it could equally point to at least two targets. Lastly, it could actually refer to Microsoft representatives to a certain extent per nom. — Godsy (TALK<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;"> CONT ) 23:02, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per Godsy. -- Tavix ( talk ) 01:25, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - Unhelpful vagueness. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 15:40, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
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Grizzles
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 * The result of the discussion was Speedy Delete G6 by User:The_ed17 Lenticel  ( talk ) 02:33, 20 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Grizzles → Grizzlies (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Grizzles&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Grizzles stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Seems to be an WP:XY case: "Grizzles" could either be a typo for Grizzlies or a plural for Grizzle. Since Grizzle is a surname page, both seem fairly unlikely to me. A retarget to grizzles is always an option, but I think I'm leaning towards delete: WP:NOTDIC. (Neelix) -- Tavix ( talk ) 05:49, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
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<span id="Monarch flycatchers, flycatchers, fantails, drongos and the Magpie-lark">Monarch flycatchers, flycatchers, fantails, drongos and the Magpie-lark
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 20:19, 25 April 2016 (UTC)


 * <span id="Monarch flycatchers, flycatchers, fantails, drongos and the Magpie-lark">Monarch flycatchers, flycatchers, fantails, drongos and the Magpie-lark → Drongo (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Monarch_flycatchers,_flycatchers,_fantails,_drongos_and_the_Magpie-lark&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Monarch_flycatchers,_flycatchers,_fantails,_drongos_and_the_Magpie-lark stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Delete, seems to be an implausible list to search for, especially since everything in the plural except for 'the Magpie-lark.' -- Tavix ( talk ) 05:16, 18 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete, expanding the drongo family to include monarch flycatchers et al. doesn't seem to be widely accepted. The IOC recognizes separate families. Also, the redirect is poorly formed (capital "Magpie-lark", and singular) and would need to be reformatted if a broader circumscription of Dicruridae is accepted. Plantdrew (talk) 15:28, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
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 * This should have been redirected to Dicruridae - the format is irrelevant for a redirect. Unfortunately Dicruridae is itself a (currently) redirect to Drongo  which is probably how this came about. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 19:44, 27 April 2016 (UTC).

Stuhl
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 * The result of the discussion was Speedy Delete G6 by User:The_ed17 Lenticel  ( talk ) 02:33, 20 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Stuhl → Stool (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stuhl&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Stuhl stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Seems to fail WP:RFOREIGN because stools have no affinity for the German language. (Neelix) -- Tavix ( talk ) 04:59, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete WP:NOTDIC Wikipedia is not a translation dictionary, general topic with no particular affinity for German -- 70.51.45.100 (talk) 05:38, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
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Passado
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FB crit
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 20:14, 25 April 2016 (UTC)


 * FB crit → Criticism of Facebook (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=FB_crit&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-19&end=2016-04-17&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=FB_crit stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Delete, hopelessly vague. FB is a disambiguation, and when I see "crit," I normally think of criteria. -- Tavix ( talk ) 00:18, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. I kept thinking about medical tests with that term. -- 70.51.45.100 (talk) 05:37, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. I think of a critical strike personally. — Godsy (TALK<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;"> CONT ) 23:08, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as vague at best -- Lenticel ( talk ) 05:57, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as appears to be an implausible search term. Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 08:12, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - Open-and-shut case. This can probably be closed shortly. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 23:58, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
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