Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 April 20

April 20
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on April 20, 2016.

Billy Possum



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 * The result of the discussion was delete without prejudice against article creation. Deryck C. 21:30, 27 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Billy Possum → William Howard Taft (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Billy_Possum&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-21&end=2016-04-19&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Billy_Possum stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Apparently this was a minor mascot for Taft? It's not mentioned at his article; I found it linked at Virginia opossum, which doesn't seem like a great place to target it. BDD (talk) 14:50, 20 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment There's also a book, The Adventures of Unc' Billy Possum, by Thornton Burgess (though the titular character seems to always include "Unc'" when named). Plantdrew (talk) 15:23, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
 * It wasn't so much a mascot as an attempt by toy makers to create a successor to the teddy bear (and it's the subject of a great 99% Invisible episode). This could be a really fun article. - Eureka Lott 04:07, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:REDLINK, Eureka Lott's link is quite intriguing. Perhaps we can make a DYI out of this -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:33, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - As mentioned above, this is its own thing (to put it crudely). I agree that an individual page may be warranted. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 15:33, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
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2016–17 Northern Premier League



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. If there are any problems with this title before the draft is published, feel free to ask me for help. --BDD (talk) 15:11, 27 April 2016 (UTC)


 * 2016–17 Northern Premier League → Draft:2016–17 Northern Premier League (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2016%E2%80%9317_Northern_Premier_League&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-21&end=2016-04-19&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=2016–17_Northern_Premier_League stats])     [ Closure:  ]

This is currently a redirect to Draft:2016–17 Northern Premier League. Since that page is in the draft namespace, this page technically satisfies WP:R2, but there have been multiple edits to the redirect, and I'm not sure if there is consensus that this should be a redirect in the first place as some editors to the redirect might prefer to revert to an earlier revision of the page instead. The history of the page might also need to be moved somewhere else. Stefan2 (talk) 14:25, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. --BDD (talk) 14:50, 20 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep I believe that this redirect was made in response to a comment by one user, who wrote It cannot be known for sure which teams will be in which divisions for the 16-17 season until the league has revealed its constitution (normally around June time). The practice of preparing pages such as this one, in situ, has been commonplace for the last few seasons (without objections, I believe), and almost certainly will be done this year for most of the 21 English Leagues which are affected – see here for the discussion. As long as the object of this redirect is in place, then I feel that the redirect itself must be kept; the plan is, I think, to replace the redirect with the completed page, once the league has confirmed its constitution for the coming season, at its agm in June. A better solution, I feel, would be to follow past practice, and to move the draft page back now, overwriting the redirect, while ensuring that the relevant parts of the page are marked 'subject to change'. Drawoh46 (talk) 16:49, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - simply not needed. GiantSnowman 17:23, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
 * If the redirect is deleted without being replaced by the target document, then someone else is almost certainly going to start up another page, unnecessarily duplicating work that is already being done in the draft document. Drawoh46 (talk) 17:57, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
 * The re direct can be deleted and a comment saying "do not update this page. A draft page is being created" then no duplication will happen. User:GNEbandit 18:25, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure what that sort of notice would look like, but you could certainly salt the base title so only an admin could publish the draft. --BDD (talk) 13:58, 22 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete In fact it should be speedy deleted under R2: Redirects from mainspace to any other namespace except the Category:, Template:, Wikipedia:, Help: and Portal: namespaces. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:31, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
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Show Low, AZ μSA



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 * The result of the discussion was keep. --BDD (talk) 15:10, 27 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Show Low, AZ μSA → Navajo County, Arizona (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Show_Low,_AZ_%CE%BCSA&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-21&end=2016-04-19&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Show_Low,_AZ_μSA stats])     [ Closure:  ]

I found this article: Show Low, AZ μSA with a non-standard character in the name. I don't know how this happened and if it could have been intentional, but I don't think so. Show Low, Arizona is a city in Arizona with its own article. If this was meant to be a redirect from a postal name to the full name as is commonly done, that article already exists: Show Low, AZ. Furthermore, it doesn't redirect to Show Low, Arizona but instead to the county in which Show Low is located. At the very least, the redirect should be changed to Show Low, Arizona. But I think deletion is better - we don't normally have titles like this with USA appended. MB (talk) 04:15, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

Comment: it is probably intentional. μSA redirects to (and is commonly used to mean) Micropolitan statistical area. —Anomalocaris (talk) 07:17, 20 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep per all the other recent RfDs for micropolitan statistical areas. Redirects like this appear here regularly; it's very easy to mistake "μSA" for a weird misspelling of USA. Sideways713 (talk) 10:27, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep per all the other μSA redirect discussions. Did we discuss making a redr template for this? Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 13:00, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep per above, and trout the nominator for not doing five seconds of research. Gorobay (talk) 14:36, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

Comment OK, I see there is a Show Low, AZ Micropolitan Statistical Area. This would not be confusing if Show Low, AZ μSA redirected to there. However, since Show Low, AZ Micropolitan Statistical Area itself redirects to Navajo County, wouldn't a BOT come along and "fix" the double redirect? Isn't there a better way to handle this? MB (talk) 15:19, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
 * This is what R avoided double redirect is for. The nominated redirect should be tagged with . Gorobay (talk) 15:37, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, one of a few bots would "fix" that double redirect. I think that we discussed creating a redr template to tag μSA redirects with an explanation, like what we do with (for example) R from alternative name (see Alexandretta) or R from misspelling (e.g. Hannukah). Users who navigate to the redirect would see a message like "this is a redirect to a page about a United States micropolitan statistical area (abbreviated μSA)." I think it needs to be more specific than R from initialism because many users will (and do, obviously) think that μSA is a typo for USA, but actually it's not. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 15:42, 20 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Weak keep consensus is that microcounties should be kept. I don't like it, but that is just WP:IDONTLIKEIT. If I had my way poeople should learn proper english spelling and typos before they came here. Si Trew (talk) 17:46, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
 * What do you mean? This is neither improper nor a typo. Nom made an understandable error, which several others have made before (per the previous discussions). Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 19:42, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, that made little sense. It makes no sense, really, and I type on keyboards other than US standard but all are European layout, to suggest that mu or omicron is easily mistyped. I have three keyboards with different layouts and on none of them is it easily mistyped. I imagine, a Greek keyboard layout it would be easily typed but not mistyped (by the way I have always wondered how the Greeks tell a megametre from a micron, but that is what is all about I guess; certainly in Greece the Latin alphebet and Greek alphabet are interchanged sometimes, so Greek engineers must have it tough, but I assume distinguish by context).  I don't see that this is in any way hurting a search or whatever, so WP:RFD, somebody finds it useful. My redlink at microcounties was deliberate, whether we should possibly do something with that or microcounty, but that was just a train of thought that is still boarding at the station. Si Trew (talk) 05:40, 21 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Weakly keep, I cannot see how someone could type this but I don't know all the possible input method editors and stuff. I could see how it may be suggested to them if they typed the first bit, and for that it is WP:RFD useful. Sorry to Ivanvector for muddying the waters that was just my own navel gazing really. Si Trew (talk) 05:47, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment'. I have !voted for weak keep twice above, but please count as one: to remove either !vote would be even more confusing. Si Trew (talk) 05:49, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
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Broad-leaved asarabaccais



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. JohnCD (talk) 13:34, 27 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Broad-leaved asarabaccais → Asarum canadense (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Broad-leaved_asarabaccais&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-21&end=2016-04-19&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Broad-leaved_asarabaccais stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Delete Appears to be the result of a spacing error in the target (with "is" appended to a common name). There are search engine results for legitimate sources calling it "broad-leaved asarabacca", but "broad-leaved asarabaccais" results are Wikipedia mirrors. Plantdrew (talk) 02:58, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
 * 'Comment and pinging User:Plantdrew, we also have to same target . That's OK to stay? (It is mentioned in lede). Somebody has confused the -is ending with an English plural, I imagine, but if they confuse them in real life then so be it. Si Trew (talk) 05:55, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per User:Plantdrew who is always the best resource here at RfD on taxonomic names (not just plants, either, despite the username, but I have never known that user to be wrong with WP:COMMONNAME). Si Trew (talk) 05:57, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
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A Jack-bean



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 * The result of the discussion was delete both. JohnCD (talk) 13:35, 27 April 2016 (UTC)


 * A Jack-bean → Canavalia napaliensis (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=A_Jack-bean&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-21&end=2016-04-19&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=A_Jack-bean stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * A Jack-Bean → Canavalia napaliensis (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=A_Jack-Bean&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-21&end=2016-04-19&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=A_Jack-Bean stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Delete? Not sure what to do with these. A Jack-Bean was the initial title of the target, as generated by a bot with this diff. The bot appears to have misinterpreted the source and put the indefinite article "a" in front of "Jack-bean". With an indefinite articles there's some confusion. It could mean a species in the Jack-bean genus or a plant/seed of the common Jack-bean Plantdrew (talk) 01:36, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - I don't know what happened here, but these two redirects combined have four hits in the 90 days prior to this discussion: not in use, not even bot noise. What was 's purpose anyway? Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 13:04, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Polbot created articles on species appearing on the IUCN Redlist (the source I linked in my comment). It might have done articles on other subjects as well. As far as I'm aware, Polbot is en.wiki's biggest source of bot generated articles. Plantdrew (talk) 15:08, 20 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete as per nom CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 01:53, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment. When I see thios, every time, I think of "It don't amount to a hill of beans. Are you feeling lucky, Punk, Well are ya?" That is probaby not a good place to put it, but it always reminds me of that famous line. Hill of beans is red, I think. Si Trew (talk) 19:04, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Weakly Retarget to jack shit. a disamiguation page.Althougj I am aware of the Amercan and old English use of "jack", tthis one is hard to pin down. (it's not common British English slang.) Si Trew (talk) 19:08, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as bot hiccup (implausible synonym) -- Lenticel ( talk ) 01:24, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. The thing this keeps reminding me of is the famous film line "That don't amount to much, that don't amount to a hill o' beans". If nothing else, it has been bugging me for days and so WP:RFD hinders search. There is Jack and the Beanstalk of course but that would seem an equally unlikely target. Si Trew (talk) 04:34, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
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Spread-eagleists



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 * The result of the discussion was speedily deleted by The ed17 per WP:CSD (Neelix). (Non-admin closure.) Sideways713 (talk) 10:37, 20 April 2016 (UTC)


 * Spread-eagleists → Jingoism (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spread-eagleists&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-03-21&end=2016-04-19&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Spread-eagleists stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Not mentioned in target article. The speedy deletion tag under WP:CSD was previously removed. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 00:31, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
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