Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 August 17

August 17
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on August 17, 2016.

Muslim Cosby Show

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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 14:45, 24 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Muslim Cosby Show → Little Mosque on the Prairie (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Muslim_Cosby_Show&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-07-18&end=2016-08-16&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Muslim_Cosby_Show stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Implausible redirect with no properly sourceable reason to exist. This term did once have some currency in discussions of the general need for improved cultural representation of Muslims in American film and television, but I can find no sources which name Little Mosque on the Prairie as being "The Muslim Cosby Show" in and of itself -- even on a Google search, I get far more hits linking the term to Aasif Mandvi's Qu'osby Show project than I do for Little Mosque (and even the ones that do touch on Little Mosque name that show as a step in the right direction but don't credit it as being "The Muslim Cosby Show" per se, as it's far too little known in the US to have the degree of cultural impact that the "Cosby Show" comparison is meant to convey.) So in the unlikely event anybody was actually searching for this term as a thing, there's no reason to believe that a Canadian sitcom is where they'd expect to end up. I won't even bother getting into all the ways in which the Cosby Show has recently been deprecated as a brand that another TV show would want to be compared to anymore. Delete. Bearcat (talk) 23:53, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. I am also finding more hits for the Qu'osby Show. --HyperGaruda (talk) 08:39, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
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Portal:Box-header1

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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 14:44, 24 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Portal:Box-header1 → Template:Box-header1 (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Portal:Box-header1&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-07-18&end=2016-08-16&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Portal:Box-header1 stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Redirect from another space to another Magioladitis (talk) 23:31, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
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Portal:Box-header-watch

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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 14:44, 24 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Portal:Box-header-watch → Template:Box-header-watch (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Portal:Box-header-watch&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-07-18&end=2016-08-16&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Portal:Box-header-watch stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Redirect from another namespace to another. Magioladitis (talk) 23:31, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
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Portal:Box-header-square

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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 14:44, 24 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Portal:Box-header-square → Template:Box-header-square (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Portal:Box-header-square&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-07-18&end=2016-08-16&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Portal:Box-header-square stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Redirect from one namespace to another. Magioladitis (talk) 23:30, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
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Talk:NK Varaždin (1931-2016)

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 * The result of the discussion was speedy delete as CSD G8, talk page with no corresponding subject page and a effectively being a redirect to a non-existent target. I'd consider the real target here to be Talk:NK Varaždin (1931–2016), it only happens to point to Talk:NK Varaždin (1931–2015) because the former was a redirect to the latter before it was deleted. And throw in CSD G7 since it's my bot that did it. Anomie⚔ 13:42, 18 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Talk:NK Varaždin (1931-2016) → Talk:NK Varaždin (1931–2015) (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:NK_Vara%C5%BEdin_(1931-2016)&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-07-18&end=2016-08-16&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Talk:NK_Varaždin_(1931-2016) stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Hut 8.5 declined the speedy deletion of this redirect, so that deletion would become controversial. This redirect should still be deleted however because NK Varaždin (1931-2016) does not exist and Talk:NK Varaždin (1931–2016) was already deleted by the same administrator who moved NK Varaždin (1931–2016) and deleted the redirect at that title. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 22:08, 17 August 2016 (UTC)


 * I declined the speedy deletion because the target of the redirect does in fact exist, so the claimed speedy deletion criterion does not apply. I have no other opinion.  Hut 8.5  22:11, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. I'm not entirely clear why this exists as there is not and has never been anything at NK Varaždin (1931-2016), the article is at NK Varaždin (1931–2015) (note different end date) and has a redirect from NK Varaždin (1931-2015) (hyphen rather than en-dash). The article was moved to the title with an en-dash and 2016 today (17 August) by accident and quickly corrected to en-dash 2015. There has never been any content here, it was created as a redirect by a well-meaning bot today so it's exceedingly unlikely there will be any incoming links. It isn't a G8 speedy as the redirect target does exist, and it isn't a G6 speedy as the bot was doing exactly what it was meant to be doing. I'd be happy for Anomie, as the bot operator, to delete it or nominate it for a G7 speedy deletion but other than that I think we'll have to wait for winter weather. Thryduulf (talk) 23:20, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Am I missing something? This would be G8 as it includes talk pages with no corresponding subject page. This page is Talk:NK Varaždin (1931-2016) so the corresponding subject page is NK Varaždin (1931-2016), which doesn't exist. -- Tavix ( talk ) 23:34, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
 * If it wasn't a redirect, yes it would be, but redirects to targets that exist cannot be speedily deleted under criterion G8. It is undefined which takes precedence but pages should not be speedy deleted unless they clearly meet the criterion, and I don't think that an undefined situation like this can be said to clearly meet the criteria and so it does not. Thryduulf (talk) 00:13, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Why would it matter? It's in the talk namespace, so it's a talk page. The fact that it's also a redirect shouldn't matter here, since it clearly meets one of the listed criteria. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 01:02, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Why would it matter? It redirects to another page so it's a redirect. The fact that it's also a talk page shouldn't matter here, since it clearly does not meet the listed criteria. Thryduulf (talk) 09:40, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Then remove the redirect code so it's no longer a redirect and leave a message. Problem solved. The talk page/redirect combo is now just a talk page and can be deleted by your logic. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 13:22, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
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African stereotypes
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 September 1%23African stereotypes

Quincy Magoo (film)
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 September 2%23Quincy Magoo (film)

Kraus Preserve of Ohio Wesleyan University

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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus. --BDD (talk) 20:15, 31 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Kraus Preserve of Ohio Wesleyan University → Ohio Wesleyan University (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kraus_Preserve_of_Ohio_Wesleyan_University&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-07-10&end=2016-08-08&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Kraus_Preserve_of_Ohio_Wesleyan_University stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Kraus Preserve is not discussed in the Ohio Wesleyan University article. Delete to encourage article creation. Brycehughes (talk) 04:56, 9 August 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: How likely would a standalone topic on the preserve be?
 * Weak keep. The "Kraus Wilderness Preserve" is mentioned in the target article's lead. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 03:26, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 16:53, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment A short article was created for this topic, but it was then changed to a redirect. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 21:41, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Restore. It appears the article was unilaterally redirected to the target by . This deserves a proper deletion discussion if we're going to effectively delete most of the content we have on the subject. A restoration would also solve the nominator's concerns. -- Tavix ( talk ) 14:29, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Don't restore, i.e. keep it as a redirect to OWU or delete it. I found it while going through Category:Ohio articles missing geocoordinate data, and in my attempt to find the preserve's location, I did a good deal of web searching.  I never found anything giving it significant coverage.  We need to delete most of the content we have on the subject; it was uncited, and the only external link of any sort was to a 404 error.  Because we have nothing reliable on which to base the content, we have no business restoring the unsourced content that was present before I redirected it.  Nyttend (talk) 21:47, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I'd be okay with deletion of the content, but only after a discussion of the content in the proper forum. RFD really isn't the best place to be having that discussion. -- Tavix ( talk ) 22:02, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
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Interstate 13
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 September 1%23Interstate 13

Wikipedia:CORE

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 * The result of the discussion was keep. Patar knight - chat/contributions 00:05, 24 August 2016 (UTC)


 * CORE → Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Core topics (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:CORE&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-07-18&end=2016-08-16&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Wikipedia:CORE stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Redirect to Core content policy. Tito Dutta (talk) 15:50, 17 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Snow keep Hundreds of article talk pages link to this redirect, it was created more than ten years ago, and has gotten over 4 hits a day for the past year. — Gorthian (talk) 19:13, 17 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep to avoid confusion if we changed this. This redirect has been too established for too long to change now without a very compelling reason.  Tazerdadog (talk) 20:05, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep per both above, changing this will break far too many links and there is already a hatnote to the suggested target. Thryduulf (talk) 20:54, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. There's also a hatnote in the target article which helps avoid confusion -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:44, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
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Kaavalkaaran (2010 film)
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 August 24%23Kaavalkaaran (2010 film)

Leslie Marshall (politician)

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 * The result of the discussion was delete. Patar knight - chat/contributions 00:06, 24 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Leslie Marshall (politician) → John Marshall (Conservative politician) (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Leslie_Marshall_(politician)&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-07-18&end=2016-08-16&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Leslie_Marshall_(politician) stats])     [ Closure:  ]

I'm not seeing evidence that John Marshall was known as Leslie Marshall. My search of <"Leslie Marshall" politician> was dominated by Leslie Marshall (politician), which makes sense to an extent because she is a political journalist. She is not, however, a politician so I think this redirect is more confusing than it's worth. -- Tavix ( talk ) 01:00, 17 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete I wholeheartedly agree. I tried your search on Google and what came up was a mishmash, with a disturbingly high number of hits for John Marshall. Very confusing, indeed. — Gorthian (talk) 19:29, 17 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 21:18, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
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