Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 August 23

August 23
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on August 23, 2016.

Jerreau
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 August 31%23Jerreau

Lil Mouse

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 * The result of the discussion was delete. Patar knight - chat/contributions 01:00, 31 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Lil Mouse → Lil Durk discography (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lil_Mouse&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-07-24&end=2016-08-22&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Lil_Mouse stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Yet again, a recreation of a redirect that fails WP:MUSICBIO. (see WP:G4 and WP:G5). 206.125.47.10 (talk) 21:53, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment This title has never previously been a redirect so WP:CSD does not apply. The creator of the redirect is not banned, and it was not created in violation of a block or ban afaict so WP:CSD also does not apply. Thryduulf (talk) 22:48, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete article notability criteria have nothing to do with whether we keep a redirect. Regardless, this redirect has the usual WP:XY problem: a person's name shouldn't be redirected to a single work of his when Wikipedia discusses several works he's been involved in. In the absence of an article, search results are more helpful to the reader. 58.176.246.42 (talk) 06:00, 28 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete not a member of Lil Durk, and it isn't a song title, so why is it in the discography? If it is a notable guest artist associated with Lil Durk then it can be described in the main article. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 22:31, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
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Speaker Knockerz (rapper)

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 * The result of the discussion was delete. Patar knight - chat/contributions 01:00, 31 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Speaker Knockerz (rapper) → List of deceased hip hop artists (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Speaker_Knockerz_(rapper)&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-07-24&end=2016-08-22&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Speaker_Knockerz_(rapper) stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Another recreation of a redirect that fails WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO. User responsible needs to be blocked. 206.125.47.10 (talk) 21:41, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment. If you think that any user should be blocked for vandalism you should report them at WP:AIV, if you think they should be blocked for other reasons you should post a report at WP:AN/I. Thryduulf (talk) 22:50, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete redirects do not need to meet article notability criteria if they have an appropriate target, but he's not mentioned at the current target (which is restricted to people who have Wikipedia entries), and the one place in Wikipedia that does mention him (a compilation album) isn't a useful target either. 58.176.246.42 (talk) 13:14, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Not crucial to the topic at hand. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 22:32, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
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Young Pappy

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 * The result of the discussion was delete. Patar knight - chat/contributions 01:00, 31 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Young Pappy → List of deceased hip hop artists (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Young_Pappy&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-07-24&end=2016-08-22&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Young_Pappy stats])     [ Closure:  ]

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.125.47.10 (talk • contribs) 21:38, 23 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete not mentioned at current target (which is restricted to people who have Wikipedia entries), and the two places in Wikipedia that do mention him (a compilation album and a different rapper with whom he had a feud) aren't useful targets either. 58.176.246.42 (talk) 13:09, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
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Only the Family

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 * The result of the discussion was delete Only the Family and retarget OTF (group). Patar knight - chat/contributions 01:01, 31 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Only the Family → Lil Durk (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Only_the_Family&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-07-24&end=2016-08-22&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Only_the_Family stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * OTF (group) → Lil Durk (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=OTF_(group)&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-07-24&end=2016-08-22&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=OTF_(group) stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Redirects suspected to have not pass WP:RECORD LABELS or WP:REDIRECTS. 206.125.47.10 (talk) 21:37, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete since the content regarding OTF at the redirected location is not sourced by WP:RS.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:11, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Retarget OTF (group) to OTF, as this could pertain to any organization with the acronym, not the band. It's not clear from the description whether OTF is a record label or a band. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 22:43, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
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L'A Capone

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 * The result of the discussion was delete both. Patar knight - chat/contributions 00:47, 31 August 2016 (UTC)


 * L'A Capone → List of deceased hip hop artists (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=L%27A_Capone&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-07-24&end=2016-08-22&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=L'A_Capone stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * LA Capone → List of deceased hip hop artists (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=LA_Capone&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-07-24&end=2016-08-22&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=LA_Capone stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Recreation of a page that fails WP:MUSICBIO and WP:BIO (see WP:G4). 206.125.47.10 (talk) 21:26, 23 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete Redirects do not need to meet article notability criteria if they have an appropriate target, but this is not mentioned at current target (which is restricted to people who have Wikipedia entries), nor anywhere else in Wikipedia, and not a likely typo for Al Capone. 58.176.246.42 (talk) 13:11, 24 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Artist should be associated with a particular act, not a "who's dead?" list. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 22:38, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
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ASAP Worldwide

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 * The result of the discussion was keep. --BDD (talk) 13:28, 1 September 2016 (UTC)


 * ASAP Worldwide → ASAP Mob (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=ASAP_Worldwide&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-07-24&end=2016-08-22&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=ASAP_Worldwide stats])     [ Closure:  ]

The redirect lacks WP:MUSICBIO and WP:RECORD LABELS. 206.125.47.10 (talk) 20:58, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. This means we shouldn't have an article on the label, but redirects don't follow those rules. If someone wants to know about the label, they can find that information at the target, so it's a helpful redirect. -- Tavix ( talk ) 22:08, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep per Taix - we don't want to encourage creation of an article, and this redirect takes people to the information we have on the subject they are looking for. Thryduulf (talk) 07:28, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
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Streets of Compton (series)
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 September 1%23Streets of Compton (series)

Template:Pid
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 August 31%23Template:Pid

Template:Rid
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 August 31%23Template:Rid

Sarah Silverman disease

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 * The result of the discussion was delete. Patar knight - chat/contributions 00:47, 31 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Sarah Silverman disease → Epiglottitis (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sarah_Silverman_disease&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-07-24&end=2016-08-22&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Sarah_Silverman_disease stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Suggest speedy deletion of redirect. The name of the actress is not mentioned in the article about the disease, and there is no reason to emphasize her illness like this. No-one will search for her illness like this, and "Epiglottis" is linked in the article about her. T*U (talk) 19:57, 23 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 20:56, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as original research. DavidLeighEllis (talk) 01:26, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete Unable to find a ref. Doc James  (talk · contribs · email) 03:16, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete maybe a joke redirect ? -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:08, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
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Hamilton!

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 * The result of the discussion was keep. --BDD (talk) 20:33, 31 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Hamilton! → Hamilton, Ohio (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hamilton!&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-07-17&end=2016-08-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Hamilton! stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Would suggest redirecting to the dab page at Hamilton, as per WP:PRECISION. &#60;&#60;&#60; SOME GADGET GEEK &#62;&#62;&#62; (talk) 23:21, 16 August 2016 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. WP:PRECISION doesn't apply here; it's a guideline for article titles, not redirects. If this is the only thing known as "Hamilton!" it's perfectly acceptable as is. -- Tavix ( talk ) 00:06, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep Run a search for the exclamation point (the character, not the words "exclamation point") in the target article. Then, read this article from the New York Times or this article from the Cincinnati Enquirer.  I don't know for sure, but I strongly doubt that any other place has gone by "Hamilton!"; unless you can find something about another place that's gone by this name, this should remain at its current target.  Nyttend (talk) 00:08, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Huh. I would've thought the musical was stylized this way, but I guess not. I didn't know about the town adding punctuation to its name. I'm surprised, but I suppose learning a new fact doesn't count as WP:SURPRISE in that sense. Not that I would've search this in the first place, though I may have clicked out of curiosity if I saw it in the search box. --BDD (talk) 16:45, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I haven't investigated this redirect yet, but we do have Place names considered unusual, which doesn't mention Hamilton(!) nor Westward Ho! or Saint-Louis-du-Ha! Ha!. Thryduulf (talk) 20:33, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

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People's Republic of Reuss
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 * The result of the discussion was keep. --BDD (talk) 20:32, 31 August 2016 (UTC)


 * People's Republic of Reuss → People's State of Reuss (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=People%27s_Republic_of_Reuss&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-07-17&end=2016-08-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=People's_Republic_of_Reuss stats])     [ Closure:  ]

"People's Republic of Reuss" was never a name used by this German state: the official state name, Volksstaat, translates to "People's State" as already present in the articles and redirects of People's State of Hesse and Free People's State of Württemberg. There are also no articles that have ever been directed to this page. – Nick Mitchell 98 talk 21:33, 16 August 2016 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * comment The creator of this redirect was not notified of this discussion, I've now corrected this. Thryduulf (talk) 02:03, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

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 * Keep as an r from incorrect name which has appeared in print at least once . Lack of incoming links is not a redirect deletion criterion. (It would be nice if the MediaWiki software would indicate more prominently to readers who arrive at an article by following a R from incorrect name that they have in fact used an incorrect name, but that's beyond the scope of WP:RFD). 58.176.246.42 (talk) 04:07, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
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Pigfucker
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk ) 22:04, 31 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Pigfucker → pigfucker (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pigfucker&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-07-17&end=2016-08-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Pigfucker stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Delete. No idea why we should have a soft redirect to this "vulgar slang" (as described on wiktionary) where it is rather clear to everyone that it is a "very pejorative" (again, fom Wikitionary) insult in any case. Wiktionary redirects are fine for technical jargon which may not need an article but may need explanation anyway, but for this? We are not a dictionary, and we are certainly not urban dictionary. Fram (talk) 08:27, 16 August 2016 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Note this is actually a soft-redirect to wikt:pigfucker not a hard redirect to the Wiktionary article. Thryduulf (talk) 10:52, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I've updated the nomination accordingly. --BDD (talk) 16:47, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete unless there is some evidence presented that we need a soft redirect from this term, for example if there are lots of incoming external links (there are no internal ones) then a soft redirect is exactly justified (that it is a pejorative is not really relevant). The page is too new for page view stats to exist (unfortunately it doesn't show hits for redlinks) so that is no help. An article at this title was (correctly) speedily deleted as patent nonsense in December 2007, but that is far from evidence of repeated creation. There are two songs (using the term loosely in at least one case) by this name, but both are only album tracks (see Black Box (Naked City album) (also appears on two other of that band's albums) and Avatar (Avatar album)) and don't seem to be especially noteworthy. There is a sourced passing mention ("Sonic Youth was grouped along with bands like Big Black, the Butthole Surfers and Pussy Galore under the "pigfucker" label by Village Voice editor Robert Christgau.") at Sonic Youth but as far as I can tell, this description for the genre did not catch on and so isn't worth a redirect either. Thryduulf (talk) 10:52, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Note Wouldn't changing the redirect to Zoophilia make sense? soetermans . ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 14:16, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Only for non-ideomatic uses (see the Wiktionary entry). I don't know what proportion of uses are idiomatic, but I'm not sure that we need a redirect from all " fucker" titles. Thryduulf (talk) 14:27, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Just when I was about to create, , , and -fucker redirects. Just kidding of course, you're right, that wouldn't make sense. soetermans . ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 14:40, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm surprised this doesn't redirect to David Cameron . Uanfala (talk) 18:15, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I was resisting making that comment! I too expected that to be the destination when I saw the title of the redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 19:54, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep Useful redirect to Wiktionary for possible search term. DavidLeighEllis (talk) 21:02, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Then why don't we create redirects for all words at Wiktionary that don't have an article here, perhaps starting with the one sthat are really in use? Fram (talk) 06:55, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep Redirects of this sort are good for preventing people from creating inappropriate articles. It's just as useful as any other typical member of Category:Redirects to Wiktionary.  If you can find a better target for the term, redirect it there (see the history of cluebat, for example), but it works well as a soft redirect, and it needs to stay this way unless you find that better target.  Nyttend (talk) 00:18, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Preventing people from creating inappropriate articles = salting. This was created once in fifteen years, so the need to create this doesn't seem to have been very high though. It doesn't need to stay this way at all. (and I don't agree at all that this is as useful as, say, Brachyology or Aegicrane or Afterdeck). Fram (talk) 06:55, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
 * (Soft) redirects do discourage people from creating inappropriate articles. Protected redirects prevent them, and are often (but not exclusively) more beneficial than salted pages. Thryduulf (talk) 10:21, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

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 * Delete per Thryduulf. Converting an existing page to a wiktionary redirect might be a proper outcome for a deletion debate, but I don't see that we should be creating them anew absent concrete evidence that the term is a likely search/mislink. Additionally, it interferes with searches on the few things mentioned in Wikipedia that are actually called "Pigfucker" (a few songs mentioned on album articles, e.g. Black Box (Naked City album)). 58.176.246.42 (talk) 04:14, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:UCS and salt. —  Scott  •  talk  14:12, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm not seeing anything that would justify salting. Thryduulf (talk) 18:15, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
 * It's the opposite of Nyttend's contention above that a silly redirect is somehow the best way to prevent an inappropriate redirect, which this title is. Hardly rocket science. Delete, salt, get on with something useful. —  Scott  •  talk  23:33, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep - probably the most common form of x-fucker besides maybe horsefucker. Cowfucker and probably the least common of the bunch, donkeyfucker, also exist at wikt. Pointing to what information we can seems reasonable in this case. Might be useful, especially for those who don't speak English as a first language. It isn't a literal or common dictionary definition that we generally refrain from redirecting to wikt on. — Godsy (TALK<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;"> CONT ) 04:18, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per Thryduulf. I also don't think salting is necessary unless we see more repeated attempted to create this. --BDD (talk) 20:31, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
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Nazrul Islam
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 * The result of the discussion was procedural close since there are no redirects under discussion here. -- Tavix ( talk ) 23:07, 30 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Nazrul Islam → Kazi Nazrul Islam (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nazrul_Islam&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-07-24&end=2016-08-22&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Nazrul_Islam stats])     [ Closure:  ]

All those figures below are Bengali/Bangladeshi people, and commonly/generally/popularly, Nazrul Islam refers to Kazi Nazrul Islam in Bangladesh and the Indian Subcontinent; so, that's why Nazrul Islam should be redirected to Kazi Nazrul Islam while the article on Kazi Nazrul Islam can have a wikilink to Nazrul Islam (disambiguation).


 * Kazi Nazrul Islam (1899–1976), Bengali poet, musician and revolutionary
 * Syed Nazrul Islam (1925–1975), Bangladeshi politician
 * Chashi Nazrul Islam (1941–2015), Bangladeshi film director and producer
 * Jamal Nazrul Islam (1939–2013), Bangladeshi physicist, mathematician and astronomer

Thanks. Smmmaniruzzaman (talk) 16:42, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment to clarify this discussion, Nazrul Islam is currently a disambig listing all the people above. The nominator I think wants to move the disambig to Nazrul Islam (disambiguation) and make the base title a redirect to Kazi Nazrul Islam. Thryduulf (talk) 17:27, 23 August 2016 (UTC)
 * Close as there is no current redirect under discussion here. Use WP:RM to propose moving Nazrul Islam to Nazrul Islam (disambiguation) if you think Kazi Nazrul Islam is the WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT. 58.176.246.42 (talk) 06:03, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
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