Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 December 11

December 11
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on December 11, 2016.

Aboutmcdonalds.com
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 December 21%23Aboutmcdonalds.com

Yana Zhilinskayte

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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 21:48, 20 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Yana Zhilinskayte → Victoria Zhilinskayte (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yana_Zhilinskayte&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Yana Zhilinskayte is the sister of Victoria, both are handballers. User:Tomcat7 (talk) 21:56, 11 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Either (1) delete as an unhelpful redirect or (2) write the article. Yana/Jana has no article that I can find in any Wiki, but here's a citation. Narky Blert (talk) 21:39, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
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Perineal urethrostomy
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 December 21%23Perineal urethrostomy

I'm with her
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 December 20%23I'm with her

Heun Sang
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 December 20%23Heun Sang

Next king of the United Kingdom
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 December 20%23Next king of the United Kingdom

Mayagüez-San Germán-Cabo Rojo, PR CSA

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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 21:47, 20 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Mayagüez-San Germán-Cabo Rojo, PR CSA → Mayagüez, Puerto Rico (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mayag%C3%BCez-San_Germ%C3%A1n-Cabo_Rojo,_PR_CSA&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Mayaguez-San German-Cabo Rojo, PR CSA → Mayagüez, Puerto Rico (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mayaguez-San_German-Cabo_Rojo,_PR_CSA&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]  (Eubot)
 * Delete both, WP:RFD confusing, not at target. I guess it's possible, if rather unlikely and WP:SURPRISEing, for this to be retargeted to section Mayagüez_metropolitan_area, which is what the target's infobox does in its "CSA" link. Si Trew (talk) 05:20, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
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2016 presidential elections

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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to National electoral calendar 2016. --BDD (talk) 21:35, 20 December 2016 (UTC)


 * 2016 presidential elections → United States presidential election, 2016 (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2016_presidential_elections&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

General ambiguous title. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 05:03, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Retarget to National electoral calendar 2016 which includes several presidental elections. -- Tavix ( talk ) 06:17, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Retarget to "National electoral calendar 2016" since that article gives information for country after country. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 08:06, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Retarget per commenters. I can believe somebody typing this term into the search bar — but the United States was not the only country where a presidential election took place in 2016, so it doesn't get dibs on the generic term "2016 presidential election" without a specific country name. Bearcat (talk) 20:47, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
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Svenska Arbetsgivareföreningen

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 * The result of the discussion was keep and retarget to Swedish Employers Association, respectively. --BDD (talk) 21:33, 20 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Svenska Arbetsgivareföreningen → Swedish Employers Association (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Svenska_Arbetsgivaref%C3%B6reningen&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Svenska Arbetsgivarefoereningen → Confederation of Swedish Enterprise (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Svenska_Arbetsgivarefoereningen&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]  (Eubot)

Well, which is it, the employers association or the confederation? (Hint: it's the first). I presume we are supposed to keep these Eubot redirects synchronised for evermore, if we are to keep them at all. Since that is WP:COSTLY, it is better to Keep the first and Delete the second. Si Trew (talk) 04:57, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep both. The synchronisation need can be handled best by (a) a note on the redirect page that tells people to change the other to the same target if they change this one; and/or (b) a bot that reads such notes and either retargets the one that wasn't changed automatically or posts a note to RfD (or some other suitable place) for human investigation. We judge redirects like this on the basis of utility to readers, not convenience to editors. Thryduulf (talk) 10:17, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * What utility is it to readers to target these to different places. If one has to be changed, and reader's utility is unaffected by its deletion, then it might as well be deleted.


 * As for the 'note' idea, both (or all) related redirects would need such an rcat/note. I can think of an algorithm where a bot couldauto-cat many redirects like this: but then, it could continue and do the job you described. That's better discussed at WT:CSD or WT:RFD but one reason I listed this rather than boldly changed it is the current discussion was/is short of examples. (There'd need to be an exclusion note when we definitely wanted different targets. None of this would be necessary if we deprecated R's from titles without diacritics.)


 * Are you really proposing both are kept as-is, User:Thryduulf? Si Trew (talk) 12:53, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the confusion, I'm proposing to keep both at whichever is the better target. Thryduulf (talk) 12:56, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Why on earth would we want to deprecate redirects from titles without diacritics!? It would make it very significantly harder for many people to find the article they are looking for, result in the creation of unwanted articles and so more, and more complicated maintenance overhead including merges (which would result in the recreation of the very redirects you don't seem to want). Nope, this is one of the worst suggestions I've seen at RfD. Thryduulf (talk) 14:34, 11 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep and fix both. The reasons offered for deletion amount to a bot not being as smart as we would like. That won't be a problem for these redirects once fixed. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:09, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * comment For more discussion on the idea of bot-supported synchronisation of redirects see Wikipedia talk:Redirects for discussion. Thryduulf (talk) 11:58, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep both and redirect both to Swedish Employers Association, which is the correct target. This could have been fixed without a discussion. --Hegvald (talk) 12:21, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Indeed, and I did some fixup at the articles themselves and other related redirecs to them, before bringing this here. There's an ongoing discussion at WT:RFD, started by User:Thryduulf, and I didn't think it hurt overmuch to give a current example. Si Trew (talk) 10:40, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
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Stiftelsen Fritt Naringsliv

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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 21:31, 20 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Stiftelsen Fritt Näringsliv → Confederation of Swedish Enterprise (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stiftelsen_Fritt_N%C3%A4ringsliv&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Swedish Free Enterprise Foundation → Timbro (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Swedish_Free_Enterprise_Foundation&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Stiftelsen Fritt Naringsliv → Confederation of Swedish Enterprise (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stiftelsen_Fritt_Naringsliv&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]  (Eubot)
 * Stiftelsen Fritt Naeringsliv → Confederation of Swedish Enterprise (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stiftelsen_Fritt_Naeringsliv&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]  (Eubot)

Delete as patently WP:XY. Timbro "is a subsidiary of the Swedish Free Enterprise Foundation, which is financed by the Confederation of Swedish Enterprise" (according to Timbro); "The Confederation of Swedish Enterprise finances Timbro ... via the Swedish Free Enterprise Foundation (Stiftelsen Fritt Näringsliv)", (according to Confederation of Swedish Enterprise). So the SFEF is a middle-man for which we have no article: WP:REDLINK. (sv:Stiftelsen Fritt Näringsliv is a stub with no IW links.) Si Trew (talk) 04:55, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
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Kaeaeriainen

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 * The result of the discussion was Delete all. (Both redirects deleted by BDD prior to this close.) Steel1943  (talk) 18:02, 20 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Kaeaeriainen → Seppo Kääriäinen (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kaeaeriainen&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Seppo Kaeaeriainen → Seppo Kääriäinen (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Seppo_Kaeaeriainen&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(Eubot) Delete both. The problem with first is that is marked as  but of course Eubot dropped that, and I don't think we can sensibly tag  with it when that's not his (or anyone else's) surname. So we end up with rather an orphan when we take the diacritics off of surname Rs (this is not an isolated case).

In any case, these are not Germanic umlauts so to treat them as such is WP:RFD if not WP:RFD nonsense. Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2015_December_28 q.v. Si Trew (talk) 04:33, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
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 * Thanks, Steel1943. It looks like these were already bundled with Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 December 10, which I closed as delete. --BDD (talk) 19:47, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Laszlo lovasz
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DraÏen Petroviç

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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 21:30, 20 December 2016 (UTC)


 * DraÏen Petroviç → Dražen Petrović (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dra%C3%8Fen_Petrovi%C3%A7&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * DraIen Petrovic → Dražen Petrović (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=DraIen_Petrovic&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]  (Eubot)

Neither of these is used in the target, and both seem unlikely typos (with the caps "Ï"/"I") in the English Wikipedia. WP:RFD novel or obscure synonym. Si Trew (talk) 04:15, 11 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete. I suppose this comes from some misapplied character encoding. Daß &thinsp; Wölf 01:40, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's very odd. I imagined a layout with the "Ï" key being to the left of the "Z" on some keyboard layouts (as "Í" is next to "Y" on my QWERTZ layout) but couldn't find a keyboard layout where that is actually the case. Even if it were, it would not explain this redirect and that someone being very clumsy hit Shift as well, and would go on to assume that it would be a common enough misspelling to justify a redirect. More likely an encoding issue where the code point for "ž" in one encoding is that for "Ï" in another. Si Trew (talk) 11:01, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's what I meant. Back in the day, you had to an "Encoding" button in IE and on a lot of sites you had to switch codepages (mostly it was Windows-1250 vs Windows-1252). However, I haven't had to use that in a long while. Nowadays pretty much everything uses Unicode, so this redirect is only of historical value. <b style="color:#da0000;">Daß</b> &thinsp; <b style="color:#0044c3;">Wölf</b> 19:51, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
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K'un-ch'u
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 * The result of the discussion was Withdrawn by me (keep). (non-admin closure) Si Trew (talk) 04:47, 11 December 2016 (UTC)


 * K'un-ch'u → Kunqu (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=K%27un-ch%27u&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Eubot creation from. Does this make sense? Even is not at the target. Si Trew (talk) 04:02, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep see Comparison of Chinese transcription systems, valid transliteration. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 04:35, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Si Trew (talk) 04:47, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
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Oernskoldsvik
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 21:29, 20 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Oernskoldsvik → Örnsköldsvik (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Oernskoldsvik&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete (not Eubot). The first "ö" has been transliterated as "oe" but the second one as plain "o". WP:RFD novel or obscure synonym. No links, one hit in ninety days. Si Trew (talk) 03:54, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
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Čapek
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The brothers Čapek
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 * The result of the discussion was The brothers Čapek is now an article. The two that are still redirects have been retargeted there. -- Tavix ( talk ) 18:33, 20 December 2016 (UTC)


 * <span id="The brothers Čapek">The brothers Čapek → Karel Čapek (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_brothers_%C4%8Capek&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * The brothers Capek → Karel Čapek (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_brothers_Capek&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]  (Eubot)
 * The brothers capek → Karel Čapek (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_brothers_capek&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete. This is only one of the brothers. His brother is only mentioned in passing, once in the running text (piped), once (unnamed) in a picture caption and once in full in the infobox, from where we find that he was Josef Čapek.– So WP:RFD confusing as WP:XY. Si Trew (talk) 03:23, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * There was only one link, hidden (literally) in a table in Progress_Theatre. I've just changed that to link them both individually, there, as "Josef and Karel Čapek". Si Trew (talk) 04:08, 11 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete all as we have no article that I can find about both men. There is apparently a museum about the brothers in Malé Svatoňovice, but the brief mention there is all the content I can find we have about it and that is nowhere near enough to sustain a redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 10:27, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete . There's no good target for this. <b style="color:#da0000;">Daß</b> &thinsp; <b style="color:#0044c3;">Wölf</b> 02:02, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Expand. It could have some occasional use if it was a page explaining that this refers to a particular pair with this name, and giving links to them. There is a Czech page  a Russian one  and a rather good German page  demonstrating that the term has some meaning.  I would be willing to do this. Chemical Engineer (talk) 10:58, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I have done this. Chemical Engineer (talk) 17:15, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * In that case retarget the other two to The brothers Čapek. <b style="color:#da0000;">Daß</b> &thinsp; <b style="color:#0044c3;">Wölf</b> 17:29, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * done Chemical Engineer (talk)
 * It looks like the matter has been resolved now, so I'm going to close this. -- Tavix ( talk ) 18:33, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
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Citizens of Georgia
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 21:08, 20 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Citizens of Georgia → Georgia (U.S. state) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Citizens_of_Georgia&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Very ambiguous redirect. --Nev&eacute;–selbert 03:10, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as WP:RFD per WP:XY. Quite likely to refer to  → Georgians, among others. I'd say more likely since one is the citizen of a nation-state, not of a federal state. Nothing links to it, six hits in ninety days. Si Trew (talk) 03:18, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete "Citizens" is rather vague. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 06:15, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Union of Citizens of Georgia, a notable political party in the country of this name. Thryduulf (talk) 10:30, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. This is too ambiguous, and the target offered by Thryduulf only makes it more so. 64.105.98.115 (talk) 12:22, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * How does my proposal make things more ambiguous? There is no notable organisation or any other grouping that I can find about citizens of the US state, and we don't have "Citizens of" articles or redirects about any other US state. Thryduulf (talk) 12:59, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Only because it widens the number of targets to three. A citizen of whatever US state is synonymous with a resident of that state, at least since the passage of the 14th Amendment. It's a reasonable search term even if not currently represented for other states. 64.105.98.115 (talk) 18:30, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * List of people from Georgia is a longstanding disambiguation page. The redirect could be retargeted there. - Eureka Lott 16:56, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. None of the proposed targets is sufficiently unambiguous. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:25, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Demographics of Georgia, which should solve the ambiguity. -- Tavix ( talk ) 18:38, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Demographics includes people living in (whichever) Georgia who are not citizens and does not necessarily include people who are citizens but do not reside in that locality. Thus I oppose this suggested retargetting. Thryduulf (talk) 21:47, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * It's a lot more inclusive than your suggestion, a WP:PTM for a political party. -- Tavix ( talk ) 02:42, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
 * The political party is what I found using Google and the internal search engine for the exact title, and it is a plausible search term - being a partial title match is simply a descriptive term, it does not indicate anything about whether the redirect is good or bad. I didn't find anything relating to the US state. Thryduulf (talk) 10:18, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Show me a source that calls them "Citizens of Georgia". The article uses "Citizens' Union" as the short name. -- Tavix ( talk ) 21:13, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
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Taminac
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 21:05, 20 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Taminac → Gewürztraminer (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Taminac&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

WP:RFD, seems too far out for a typo for "Traminer". Not mentioned at the target, WP:RFD. Si Trew (talk) 03:06, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
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Gewuertztraminer
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 * The result of the discussion was Keep (non-admin closure) -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 07:45, 19 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Gewuertztraminer → Gewürztraminer (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gewuertztraminer&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot) "-eurtzt-"? WP:RFD, novel or obscure synonym. Si Trew (talk) 02:56, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep But this is "ue", not "eu". It's a very accepted way of rendering German umlauted characters, and probably the reason this Eubot endeavor was initially seen as useful. --BDD (talk) 14:24, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep per BDD. Very common rendering. AgneCheese/Wine 16:13, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
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Clavner
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 21:05, 20 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Clavner → Pinot blanc (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Clavner&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete WP:RFD confusing, not at target. See also, below. Si Trew (talk) 02:46, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
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Tramini Piros
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Fűszeres
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Christkindltraube
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 21:05, 20 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Christkindltraube → Gewürztraminer (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christkindltraube&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

WP:RFD confusing, not at target ("Christkindeltraube" and "Christkindlestraube" are). Si Trew (talk) 02:24, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
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Fermin Rouge
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 21:04, 20 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Fermin Rouge → Gewürztraminer (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fermin_Rouge&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

WP:RFD, "Fermintin Rouge" is mentioned. Si Trew (talk) 02:22, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
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Frenscher
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 21:04, 20 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Frenscher → Gewürztraminer (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Frenscher&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete as WP:RFD confusing, not at target. ("Frencher" is, and already goes there, although not to section Gewürztraminer). Si Trew (talk) 02:18, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment. This target has about 90 redirects, so missing this one is not going to make it hard to find. Si Trew (talk) 02:21, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
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Klavner
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 21:04, 20 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Klavner → Gewürztraminer (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Klavner&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:RFD confusing, not at target. (Would suspect to be in section Gewürztraminer, but isn't.) Si Trew (talk) 02:17, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * "" is, but is a different grape that is not mentioned at its target: see, above. Perhaps WP:XY.Si Trew (talk) 02:45, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
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Gewurtzaminer
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 21:03, 20 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Gewurtzaminer → Gewürztraminer (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gewurtzaminer&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete as WP:RFD. "aminer" for "traminer" seems an unlikely typo. IP creation. Si Trew (talk) 02:14, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
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Gewuerstraminer
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 20:52, 20 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Gewuerstraminer → Gewürztraminer (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gewuerstraminer&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(Eubot) I've just tagged and (Eubot)  as, but I wonder if this one with the "ue" and the "s" for "z" is pushing it a bit far. Weak delete as WP:RFD. Si Trew (talk) 02:10, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
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Bushian
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2017 January 4%23Bushian Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 18:25, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Kuolemanjaervi
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 20:51, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

(Eubot) Delete as WP:RFD. (Cloned from and ). Not a German umlaut but a letter in the Finnish alphabet. WP:RFD. Si Trew (talk) 01:56, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Kuolemanjaervi → Pionerskoye (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kuolemanjaervi&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Kuolemajaervi → Pionerskoye (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kuolemajaervi&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
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Sender Beromünster
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 December 20%23Sender Beromünster

Nimbu pani
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to Shikanjvi. --BDD (talk) 20:49, 20 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Nimbu pani → Lemonade (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nimbu_pani&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete as WP:RFD. No affinity with Bengali ; not at target. See also Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2016_November_30. Si Trew (talk) 01:36, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - I also want to add that it seems that this drink is often regarded as distinct from 'lemonade' as an Anglo-American person would be familiar with; recipes that I see online have various additional ingredients in there. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 03:06, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Actually a North American and an English person would disagree to what lemonade is: however, this distinction is covered at the top of the target. Si Trew (talk) 04:20, 11 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Shikanjvi? (The nominator's statement is false, it is mentioned at the current target.) -- Tavix ( talk ) 06:12, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh, I sought but did not find, somehow. It also uses the spelling nimbu paani. Si Trew (talk) 09:29, 11 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Yes, I also agree with a retarget over to "shikanjvi". CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 07:56, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
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