Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 December 14

December 14
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on December 14, 2016.

Australo
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 December 22%23Australo

Australias
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 December 22%23Australias

Csoemoer

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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 20:39, 21 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Csoemoer → Csömör (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Csoemoer&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(Eubot) Delete as WP: RFD, not a Germanic umlaut. Si Trew (talk) 19:14, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
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Burj, -al

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 * The result of the discussion was retarget due to no consensus for the status quo. Opinions are about reasonably split between retargetting to Burj and deletion, and the arguments for both options are equally compelling. It's been relisted once without further input so I don't think it's worth prolonging this further. Normally in this situation I'd simply call it no consensus and move on, but that defaults to keep which is the one action nobody wants, so instead I'm going to call this "no consensus" but retarget it as this is a lesser action than deletion. Thryduulf (talk) 18:57, 22 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Burj, -al → Khirbat Umm Burj (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Burj,_-al&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I don't know where this comes from or if it's a likely search term. — Gorthian (talk) 22:50, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I see that I created it with the line "getting rid of red link"....but I cannot recall where that red link was,Huldra (talk) 22:54, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I know, I couldn't figure that out, either. Sorry you can't remember; I was curious! But six years of editing will do that. Thanks. — Gorthian (talk) 22:59, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Actually, I went and looked through my edits at the time...and it has to do with my User:Huldra/Morris-list: look at village #236, Morris refer to that as "Burj, -al" (see Morris, 2004, p.  xix village #236). So the redir is wrong, it should go to  Al-Burj, Ramle! Huldra (talk) 23:07, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh, so it's a form of sorting for different villages? How is it used? — Gorthian (talk) 23:22, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't know what you mean with sorting in this context? ....but Burj is a relatively common name in the Middle East, and such names have a tendency to get mixed up.  (Just look at Talk:Tira, Israel for mix-ups of the Tira-places, or  Talk:Hadatha  for ditto, on the Hadata-places) Huldra (talk) 23:30, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
 * (I refactored our comments with bullets to make them easier to read.) The problem is, this redirect could apply to many titles on Wikipedia. In the form it is, it won't get used as a link in an article, nor is it a helpful search term because of the odd punctuation. I thought it was perhaps for sorting in a category, like some name pages are (lastname, firstname is a common redirect for name lists). — Gorthian (talk) 23:44, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
 * No, basically it was a redir made because Morris uses that specific spelling on his lists of villages, Huldra (talk) 23:47, 1 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Retarget Burj as R from ambiguous title and R from modification (addition of Arabic definite article). Deryck C. 10:35, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I am not sure what the above jargon means, but if it results in "Burj, -al" being redirected to Burj: then I agree, Huldra (talk) 20:04, 2 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Is it intended to be "Burj, al-", like "Tower, The"? --BDD (talk) 22:22, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I believe so, Huldra (talk) 23:27, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete per nom. If this indeed involves both inverting the term "al-Burj" and misplacing the hyphen, it's a pretty unlikely search term. Could the hyphen have ended up there due to confusion with Arabic, which is right-to-left? Perhaps, but unless this type of error is systematic, I'm not comfortable keeping this kind of thing. --BDD (talk) 22:58, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

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MittRomney

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 * The result of the discussion was keep. --BDD (talk) 20:34, 21 December 2016 (UTC)


 * MittRomney → Mitt Romney (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MittRomney&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not a valid CameCase redirect. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 00:33, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete per nom. Not everything requires CamelCase. 02:12, 30 November 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by AngusWOOF (talk • contribs) 02:12, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Weak keep as it's harmless. Stats show some use, including several spikes of 4 views/day earlier this year. -- Tavix ( talk ) 03:22, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep - Though I don't feel strongly about this either way, it seems useful enough. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 03:39, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. It's true that not everything requires CamelCase, being unnecessary is not a reason to delete a redirect. In this case it's harmless, unambiguous, used and deletion would bring no benefits - all reasons to keep. Thryduulf (talk) 14:08, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

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 * Weak Keep - Agree with above reasons, minimal but helpful usage history. Deaddebate (talk) 04:03, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
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Ummon

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 * The result of the discussion was Keep. Thryduulf (talk) 19:00, 22 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Ummon → Yunmen Wenyan (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ummon&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Not sure. We have a DAB at Yunmen, of which this is an alternative transliteration, so it may be best to retarget it there. Si Trew (talk) 05:14, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep (1st choice) or disambiguate (2nd choice). This search revealed the following matches: a character each in The Fall of Hyperion (novel), Black Swan (comics), an organisation in the Netherlands (see Mohamed Rabbae), an Uzbek band (see Pakhtakor Tashkent FK), and a German person (wife of Albert Göring). So the current target is definitely primary topic, but disambiguation may be appropriate. Deryck C. 14:49, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

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 * Keep primary topic, we can create Ummon (disambiguation) if need-be, for there are other topics with this name. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 01:29, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
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Laramie, WY mSA

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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 20:22, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

(Eubot) implausible typo and weird capitalization. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Champion (talk • contribs) 06:15, 30 November 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Laramie, WY mSA → Albany County, Wyoming (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Laramie,_WY_mSA&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Lincolnton, NC mSA → Lincoln County, North Carolina (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lincolnton,_NC_mSA&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Sheridan, WY mSA → Sheridan County, Wyoming (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sheridan,_WY_mSA&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Aberdeen, WA mSA → Grays Harbor County, Washington (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Aberdeen,_WA_mSA&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Vicksburg, MS mSA → Warren County, Mississippi (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vicksburg,_MS_mSA&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Tahlequah, OK mSA → Cherokee County, Oklahoma (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tahlequah,_OK_mSA&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Grand Island, NE mSA">Grand Island, NE mSA → Grand Island, Nebraska (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Grand_Island,_NE_mSA&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Amsterdam, NY mSA">Amsterdam, NY mSA → Montgomery County, New York (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Amsterdam,_NY_mSA&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Athens, TX mSA">Athens, TX mSA → Henderson County, Texas (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Athens,_TX_mSA&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Kinston, NC mSA">Kinston, NC mSA → Lenoir County, North Carolina (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kinston,_NC_mSA&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Kalispell, MT mSA">Kalispell, MT mSA → Kalispell, Montana (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kalispell,_MT_mSA&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Pottsville, PA mSA">Pottsville, PA mSA → Schuylkill County, Pennsylvania (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pottsville,_PA_mSA&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Rutland, VT mSA">Rutland, VT mSA → Rutland County, Vermont (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rutland,_VT_mSA&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Barre, VT mSA">Barre, VT mSA → Washington County, Vermont (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Barre,_VT_mSA&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Opelousas-Eunice, LA mSA">Opelousas-Eunice, LA mSA → St. Landry Parish, Louisiana (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Opelousas-Eunice,_LA_mSA&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Coos Bay, OR mSA">Coos Bay, OR mSA → Coos County, Oregon (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Coos_Bay,_OR_mSA&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Allegan, MI mSA">Allegan, MI mSA → Allegan County, Michigan (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Allegan,_MI_mSA&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Danville, KY mSA">Danville, KY mSA → Danville, Kentucky (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Danville,_KY_mSA&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Pecos, TX mSA">Pecos, TX mSA → Reeves County, Texas (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pecos,_TX_mSA&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Manitowoc, WI mSA">Manitowoc, WI mSA → Manitowoc County, Wisconsin (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Manitowoc,_WI_mSA&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Sterling, IL mSA">Sterling, IL mSA → Whiteside County, Illinois (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sterling,_IL_mSA&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Spencer, IA mSA">Spencer, IA mSA → Clay County, Iowa (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spencer,_IA_mSA&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Fort Morgan, CO mSA">Fort Morgan, CO mSA → Fort Morgan Micropolitan Statistical Area (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fort_Morgan,_CO_mSA&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Keene, NH mSA">Keene, NH mSA → Cheshire County, New Hampshire (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Keene,_NH_mSA&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Dunn, NC mSA">Dunn, NC mSA → Harnett County, North Carolina (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dunn,_NC_mSA&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Maryville, MO mSA">Maryville, MO mSA → Nodaway County, Missouri (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Maryville,_MO_mSA&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Seaford, DE mSA">Seaford, DE mSA → Sussex County, Delaware (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Seaford,_DE_mSA&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Harriman, TN mSA">Harriman, TN mSA → Roane County, Tennessee (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Harriman,_TN_mSA&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Branson, MO mSA">Branson, MO mSA → Branson, Missouri (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Branson,_MO_mSA&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Muskogee, OK mSA">Muskogee, OK mSA → Muskogee County, Oklahoma (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Muskogee,_OK_mSA&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Sturgis, MI mSA">Sturgis, MI mSA → St. Joseph County, Michigan (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sturgis,_MI_mSA&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="City of The Dalles, OR mSA">City of The Dalles, OR mSA → Wasco County, Oregon (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=City_of_The_Dalles,_OR_mSA&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * I wouldn't consider the mSA redirects to be implausible or weird. They're redirects for micropolitan statistical areas, typically abbreviated as μSA. This appears to be an attempt to make those abbreviations easier for people to type on a standard keyboard, but I'm not aware of them being used this way elsewhere. - Eureka Lott 16:28, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep all per EurekaLott but some of them aren't redirected to the micropolitan SAs when they exist, but that can be corrected given they are kept. Stevie is the man!  Talk • Work 16:47, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete all - I agree with EurekaLott that these are probably meant to make μSA titles easier to find, but they have the unfortunate side effect of making every one of them ambiguous with metropolitan statistical areas, which are abbreviated MSA. That makes it more difficult to find the intended target, which hits WP:RFD and D2. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 22:58, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
 * It seems like a slight stretch that "mSA" would ordinarily be confused with "MSA" (capitalization matters). It's possible that a few folks won't be able to handle the supposed ambiguity. I think it boils down to the utility of these redirects vs. the few who might be confused about them. My hunch goes with the former. Stevie is the man!  Talk • Work 00:06, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete all. The contrast between µSA and MSA means that mSA is essentially WP:XY. Deryck C. 11:46, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

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 * The supposed ambiguity doesn't exist in most cases, as it would only occur when changes are made; micropolitan and metropolitan areas do not simultaneously exist for the same place. Usually where ambiguity exists, both would be on the same page, otherwise it could be resolved with hatnotes as is usually the case with similar but not identical names. Peter James (talk) 23:39, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I think that would be an argument for keeping Fort Morgan Micropolitan Statistical Area, which specifically discusses the µSA, but not the rest. Deryck C. 11:39, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
 * It isn't a reason for keeping (there's already one, that if we're keeping the "µSA" versions then "mSA" should also be kept for being more accessible) but it invalidates the "XY" and RFD#D1 or D2 argument for deleting (unless you can find any for which both µSA and MSA have existed and would point to different targets). If a redirect can only point to X we should point it to X, if it can point to either X or X (or to X or Y, where Y redirects to X) we should also point it to X. Peter James (talk) 15:32, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I have to go with delete as an invented WP:NEO. I'm still unable to find a single example of this formation used elsewhere. - Eureka Lott 15:53, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I'd assumed that these were occasionally used, but checking the first of these I've found occasional abbreviation to "MICRO" or "Micro", and one website uses "MISA", but the only "mSA" I found was a metropolitan area mentioned on the same page as a micropolitan area. The µSA versions are not always possible to type, but as there are other alternatives already in use, I don't object to deletion of the mSA versions as obscure and possibly misleading. Peter James (talk) 19:44, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
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Kathryn Davies
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 December 23%23Kathryn Davies

CDTD
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 December 22%23CDTD

Sharp Knife
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 December 23%23Sharp Knife

The Little Magician
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;">
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to Little Magician and disambiguate, respectively. --BDD (talk) 18:49, 21 December 2016 (UTC)


 * The Little Magician → Martin Van Buren (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Little_Magician&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Little Magician → Martin Van Buren (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Little_Magician&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Little Magician → Martin Van Buren (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Little_Magician&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The nickname "Little Magician" isn't exclusive to the 8th President, see. --Nev&eacute;–selbert 05:55, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Note I've added "Little Magician" to the nomination as the versions with and without the definite article should point to the same place. Thryduulf (talk) 12:20, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Disambig as there are indeed several people with this nickname, and it is also the translated title of at least two films (one Hindi, one Egyptian) and a short story. Thryduulf (talk) 12:24, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Dab per sounds like a commonly used nickname. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 14:52, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
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Center for healthy aging
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. Patar knight - chat/contributions 02:08, 21 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Center for healthy aging → Stein Institute for Research on Aging (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Center_for_healthy_aging&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Doesn't seem to be an alternative name for the target, so could be misleading and possibly a WP:NPOV violation. Steel1943 (talk) 05:34, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete or write a generic article it seems the institute does have such a center, but so does the Barshop Institute (see Barshop Institute), Greenwich Hospital (Connecticut) (see Greenwich Hospital (Connecticut)), NCH Healthcare System (NCH Healthcare System), and also google finds the following University of Copenhagen, Hartford HealthCare (presumably Connecticut), National Council on Aging (based in Virginia), Providence Health Care in British Columbia, St Peter's Hosptial, Hamilton, Ontario, Beverly Hospital, Dancers, Massachusetts, Carillion Clinic various locations in Western Virginia, and others. This suggests that it is a rather generic name, so unless there is significant coverage of any of them (I haven't found any) or there is a general article that can be written (I'm not sure) then deletion is probably the best. Thryduulf (talk) 12:39, 14 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 14:50, 14 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete: I created the redirect thinking it was an alternative name, but suggests that Center for Healthy Aging is a parent department of the Stein Institute. Either way, it's not notable and definitely not more so than other centers of the same name. Sorry about that.  Tritons Rising  (talk) 19:38, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
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WWE, Championship
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. Patar knight - chat/contributions 02:07, 21 December 2016 (UTC)


 * <span id="WWE, Championship">WWE, Championship → WWE Championship (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=WWE,_Championship&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Redirect was accidentally created by an admin editor who in the nicest possible way seems quite clueless, Anyway I CSD'd this under G8 however bizarrely it was declined by, I'm rather confused but anyway useless redirect – Davey 2010 Talk 04:46, 14 December 2016 (UTC) (Updated 02:18, 21 December 2016 (UTC))


 * G8 didn't apply. The reason the target didn't exist is because you tagged it part way through a round robin move I was performing per a request at WP:RM/TR. It then became a double redirect which I updated. G8 would have appeared applicable for a short time. Sorry for the confusion—you're too quick, or rather and more likely, I'm too slow . — Godsy (TALK<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;"> CONT ) 05:24, 14 December 2016 (UTC)


 * - Ahhh right sorry, When I saw the revert and saw it was blue again I was rather confused and to be honest when I looked at the history I was even more confused!, Anyway thanks for explaining that and apologies for being too fast :), Thanks, – Davey 2010 Talk 14:31, 14 December 2016 (UTC)


 * DELETE It should never have been created to begin with, useless redirect per nom. <b style="color:Red">Chris "WarMachineWildThing" </b> Talk to me 05:08, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete Created in error, only because user who created it couldn't move the article to its correct name. Going forward I don't know why anybody would use this as search term.LM2000 (talk) 05:28, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per Chris an LM2000. oknazevad (talk) 12:03, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Implausible typo and not a stylization used for the subject. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 14:45, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete Has no use here. -- JDC808  ♫  23:16, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
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Budaoers
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 18:40, 21 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Budaoers → Budaörs (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Budaoers&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot) Delete as WP:RFD, not a Germanic umlaut. Si Trew (talk) 03:24, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
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Szendroe
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 18:40, 21 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Szendroe → Szendrő (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Szendroe&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot) Delete as WP:RFD, back formation from which I have tagged as ; not a Germanic umlaut. Si Trew (talk) 03:20, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
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Goenc
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 18:40, 21 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Goenc → Gönc (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Goenc&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot) Delete as WP:RFD, not a Germanic umlaut. Si Trew (talk) 03:17, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
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Fertoszentmiklós
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 18:40, 21 December 2016 (UTC)


 * <span id="Fertoszentmiklós">Fertoszentmiklós → Fertőszentmiklós (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fertoszentmikl%C3%B3s&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(not eubot). Falls between two stools, Weak delete as WP:RFD. First letter O hasn't a diacritical mark but second one has. No link (I fixed one, in List_of_populated_places_in_Hungary_(F)), hits are 4 in 90 days. This does not seem to be the result of a page move, of which there have been a couple of others of 2005 that I marked as (looks like technical restrictions prevented titles with "ő"): this is from 2007. Si Trew (talk) 03:10, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
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Balatonfoeldvar
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 18:39, 21 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Balatonfoeldvar → Balatonföldvár (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Balatonfoeldvar&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot) Delete as WP:RFD, not a Germanic umlaut. We already have Balatonfoldvar as. Si Trew (talk) 03:06, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
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Mezoecsat
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 18:39, 21 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Mezoecsat → Mezőcsát (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mezoecsat&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot) Delete as WP:RFD, back formation from (which I've tagged as ), not a Germanic umlaut. Si Trew (talk) 03:01, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
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Emoed
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 18:36, 21 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Emoed → Emőd (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Emoed&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot) Delete per WP:RFD, back formation from the R at, which I've tagged as. Not a Germanic umlaut; Emo is not a verb so we cant retarget it there as. Si Trew (talk) 02:54, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
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Dunafoeldvar
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 18:36, 21 December 2016 (UTC)


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(eubot) Delete as WP:RFD, not a Germanic umlaut. Si Trew (talk) 02:48, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
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Celldoemoelk
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 18:36, 21 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Celldoemoelk → Celldömölk (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Celldoemoelk&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot) Delete, WP:RFD, not a Germanic umlaut. The German for this town is Kleinmariazell (although that is a different article: I'll hatnote), so it makes no sense to have a back formation from something that isn't German in the first place. Si Trew (talk) 02:43, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
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Toeroekbalint
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 18:35, 21 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Toeroekbalint → Törökbálint (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Toeroekbalint&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Toeroekszentmiklos → Törökszentmiklós (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Toeroekszentmiklos&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Toekoel → Tököl (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Toekoel&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
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(eubot) Delete all AS WP:RFD, not a Germanic umlaut. The German for Körmend, as a brief glance at the target will tell you, is, without any umlauts or letters to scatter them over, so I doubt it makes sense to anglicise a nonexistent German word. Si Trew (talk) 02:17, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
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I ♥ Tirona
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 18:35, 21 December 2016 (UTC)


 * <span id="I ♥ Tirona">I ♥ Tirona → Tirana (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=I_%E2%99%A5_Tirona&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

There doesn't seem to be any notable use of this phrase, unlike, for example, I ♥ Huckabees. -- Tavix ( talk ) 02:04, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete also note the unlikely spelling. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 10:12, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Its not an unlikely spelling, it's a regional Albanian spelling. -- Tavix ( talk ) 16:19, 14 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. No notable usage of this phrase in news articles. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 14:49, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
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Ernst August (1600-1700)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. Patar knight - chat/contributions 02:07, 21 December 2016 (UTC)


 * <span id="Ernst August (1600-1700)">Ernst August (1600-1700) → Ernest August (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ernst_August_(1600-1700)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete. This is implausible, especially since these are not the dates of birth and death for anyone listed at the target. -- Tavix ( talk ) 01:48, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. There are 44 redirects to this target. Nobility do seem to get rather a lot of redirects: not many of them very illuminating, I should think, such as, , let alone every possible style or handle. He is Ernst or Ernest August or Augustus, Prince, Prinz, Duke and King (but not Grof or Kaiser) of or von or Von Brunswick, Cumberland, Hanover, Hannover and Teviotdale, both the VI and the I of Hanover and Hannover, etc. I have doubted the value of these combinatorics for many years but I appear to be in a minority on thinking them more trouble than they're worth. Si Trew (talk) 02:09, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete Ernest Augustus, Elector of Hanover (1629-1698), Ernest Augustus, Duke of York and Albany (1674-1728) and Ernest Augustus I, Duke of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach (1688–1748)) all lived (partially) within this time frame so it's not a useful disambiguator. Thryduulf (talk) 12:47, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
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Kiskoeroes
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 18:34, 21 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Kiskoeroes → Kiskőrös (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kiskoeroes&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot) Delete per WP:RFD, Chinese whispers via, which I tagged as. Si Trew (talk) 01:47, 14 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete. More User:Eubot nonsense. Narky Blert (talk) 02:12, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
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Gyoemro
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 18:34, 21 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Gyoemro → Gyömrő (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gyoemro&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot) WP:RFD Delete', not a Germanic umlaut. Note the last letter does not get the "oe" treatment. Si Trew (talk) 01:44, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. More User:Eubot nonsense. Narky Blert (talk) 01:47, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
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Mezoekoevesd
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 18:30, 21 December 2016 (UTC)


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(eubot) Delete per WP:RFD, not a Germanic umlaut; The first letter O has not even an umlaut but a double acute: Chinese whispers via (which I've tagged as ). Si Trew (talk) 01:40, 14 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete. More User:Eubot nonsense. Narky Blert (talk) 01:48, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
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Tiszafoeldvar
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 18:30, 21 December 2016 (UTC)


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(eubot) Delete, not a Germanic umlaut on the O. WP:RFD. Si Trew (talk) 01:36, 14 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete. More User:Eubot nonsense. Narky Blert (talk) 01:48, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
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Hódmezõvásárhely
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 18:29, 21 December 2016 (UTC)


 * <span id="Hódmezõvásárhely">Hódmezõvásárhely → Hódmezővásárhely (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=H%C3%B3dmez%C3%B5v%C3%A1s%C3%A1rhely&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I'd like to try to get consensus on what we do with these ones with "o tilde" on them instead of "o double acute". They could kept as but they could be deleted as WP:RFD nonsense / WP:RFD obscure/novel synonym. It seems unlikely to me that someone on an English-language keyboard will go out of their way to find an O tilde but not an O double acute; on the other hand not everyone searching English Wikipedia uses an English-language keyboard, and some may use a keyboard with an easz-to-type O tilde but not O double acute. But primarily this is not a question of searching by typing, within Wikipedia or without; more likely such an error if it exists in the wild will have been copy-pasted into some search engine (WP's or another's); but that search engine will likely find the correct form anyway as it will do its own conversion into some canonical form when searching. This particular one has had three hits in ninety: one site I could find that uses it is this Hungarian wesite, foldhivatal.hu ("Land Registry")/ I can't really imagine why a Hungarian website would make this substitution but perhaps there was a "technical limitation" as seemed to prevent "o double acute" in Wikipedia in the early days (see ES of 2005 edit to ): "Gödöllo moved to Gödöllő: preventing technical limitations don't exist any more"). Si Trew (talk) 01:14, 14 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete. 'o' instead of 'ő' makes sense as a simplification on English keyboards, as does 'o' instead of 'õ'. Replacing 'ő' by 'Õ|õ' does not - they are different characters, and in different alphabets. Narky Blert (talk) 02:01, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

A question both deep and profound Is whether a circle is round. In a paper by Erdős That's written in Kurdish A counter-example is found. Narky Blert (talk) 02:09, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * :) Si Trew (talk) 02:21, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Great limerick!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 03:27, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Not mine, unfortunately - I stole it from someone who I suspect stole it also. Narky Blert (talk) 22:43, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
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Hodmezoevasarhely
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 18:28, 21 December 2016 (UTC)


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(eubot) There are a number of redirects to this Hungarian place, which I have checked and rctatted where necessary: this one's created from a redirect that itself is an incorrect spelling ("") and substituted "oe" for the Germanic umlaut it doesn't have. WP:RFD. Si Trew (talk) 01:00, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment as you can see, there will be a lot of these on the general pattern: incorrect spelling of "ö" for "ő", which is completely forgivable; thence the substitution of "oe" for "ö", in a game of Chinese whispers. The same will probably apply with "Hungarumlaut" letter "ű" → "ü" →  "ue". I'll happily combine but hesitate to do so for different targets. Si Trew (talk) 01:04, 14 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete. More User:Eubot nonsense. Narky Blert (talk) 01:49, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
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Gyoer
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 18:28, 21 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Gyoer → Győr (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gyoer&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot) Created from the redirect at, which I have tagged as ; this one is WP:RFD novel or obscure synonym. Si Trew (talk) 00:52, 14 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete. More User:Eubot nonsense. Narky Blert (talk) 01:49, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
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Goedoello, Hungary
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 * The result of the discussion was delete both. Patar knight - chat/contributions 02:07, 21 December 2016 (UTC)


 * <span id="Goedoello, Hungary">Goedoello, Hungary → Gödöllő (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Goedoello,_Hungary&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
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(eubot) Delete asWP:RFD. These were created as variations from the Rs at and, the first of which I have marked as  (The last letter is correctly "ő", with a "Hungarumlaut", not "ö") and. See that Eubot thinks Hungarian letter "ö" should be transliterated "oe", but "ő" as plain "o". These are not merely incorrect spellings like "" but nonsense ones. No internal links, five hits in ninety days between them. Si Trew (talk) 00:24, 14 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete. More User:Eubot nonsense. Narky Blert (talk) 01:49, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete-torturous even to look at. In college, if old computers couldn't produce the diacritics, leaving them out was preferable to inventing spellings.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 03:23, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
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