Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 December 17

December 17
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on December 17, 2016.

Vaeinoe I of Finland

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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 18:15, 27 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Vaeinoe I of Finland → Prince Frederick Charles of Hesse (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vaeinoe_I_of_Finland&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot) I have erred in the past, but I am pretty sure this is a redirect back-formed from and thus not to be Germanic umlauted but treated as a letter of the Finnish alphabet. WP:RFD, Delete. Si Trew (talk) 23:56, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. Finnish 'ä' and 'ö', not German. This spelling is impossible, not to say ridiculous. (TY, User:Eubot.) Narky Blert (talk) 00:06, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
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 * Comment There are a few more like that in the various Eubot lists. Si Trew (talk) 21:09, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Icewind Dale: Heart of Winter - Trials of the Luremaster

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 * The result of the discussion was keep. -- Tavix ( talk ) 16:51, 30 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Icewind Dale: Heart of Winter - Trials of the Luremaster → Icewind Dale: Heart of Winter (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Icewind_Dale:_Heart_of_Winter_-_Trials_of_the_Luremaster&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot) Just, just, well it is back-formed from with an en or is it an em dash. Nobody in his right mind is gong to search in this way on either this redirect, that redirect, or the target, before their search engine beats them to it. Thus it is just WP:COSTLY. Si Trew (talk) 23:48, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep An m-dash is more likely to be made with a double hyphen, but "-" is a lot easier to type than "–" on a normal keyboard. I would say that, though, as a hyphen luddite. --BDD (talk) 18:17, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. Very common to use en dashes instead of em dashes. Patar knight - chat/contributions 19:01, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
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Nurguel Yesilcay

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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 18:14, 27 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Nurguel Yesilcay → Nurgül Yeşilçay (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nurguel_Yesilcay&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not a Germanic umlaut, Turkish. WP:RFD, Delete. Si Trew (talk) 23:39, 17 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete per Si Trew. Just guessing, but would that be yet another User:Eubot effort? Narky Blert (talk) 23:55, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
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Yowsers
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 December 30%23Yowsers

Ra`s
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 December 30%23Ra`s

Kevaejaervi

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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 17:04, 29 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Kevaejaervi → Keväjärvi (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kevaejaervi&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot) Swedish or Finnish? If Swedish it stays, if Finnish it goes. Si Trew (talk) 23:18, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Probably Finnish (could be composed fully or partially of Sámi elements in that area, but -järvi is "lake" in Finnish). Definitely not Swedish. --Hegvald (talk) 12:28, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. As far as I could find, only pages copying from Wikipedia use this spelling. Patar knight - chat/contributions 19:05, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
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July 2006 Sulawesi earthquake
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 December 30%23July 2006 Sulawesi earthquake

Jakarta earthquake
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 December 29%23Jakarta earthquake

Hoetorgscity

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 * The result of the discussion was delete. I am indeed treating this as a part of the discussion referred to in the nomination, and accordingly closing this one as delete too. --BDD (talk) 19:50, 20 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Hoetorgscity → Hötorget (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hoetorgscity&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot) I missed this one when listing Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2016_December_10 a week ago. Essenntially, please treat this as combined with that. Si Trew (talk) 23:02, 17 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete. I was going to say, "kick it into Row Z" - except that Å, Ä and Ö are all after Z in the Swedish alphabet. And, the substitution of "city" for "get" is just plain silly. So, kick it into Row Ö. Narky Blert (talk) 00:17, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
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2007 Java earthquake

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 * The result of the discussion was delete. Patar knight - chat/contributions 03:51, 24 December 2016 (UTC)


 * 2007 Java earthquake → List of earthquakes in Indonesia (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2007_Java_earthquake&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No content on target list (we're only listing notable events). This was a deep event that had a maximum Mercalli intensity of V (Moderate). It's insignificant. No effects at all. Dawnseeker2000 22:54, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - Indeed, while this was clearly a real event that happened and received scientific documentation, I think that it's not particularly notable. Deletion appears to be the right call. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 02:00, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete not mentioned anywhere on Wikpedia that I can find. Thryduulf (talk) 15:54, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
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Malatya Inoenue Stadium
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Hakon VII of Norway

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 * The result of the discussion was keep. Patar knight - chat/contributions 03:52, 24 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Hakon VII of Norway → Haakon VII of Norway (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hakon_VII_of_Norway&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot) It's not a, if anything it's an. But since the target has the English way of spelling it, and this was back-formed from the redirect at, this just is enticement. WP:RFD, Delete. Si Trew (talk) 22:49, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * "Håkon" is the modern Norwegian orthography and "Hakon" would be the R from title without diacritics to that, thus conceivably what somebody would look for who is vaguely familiar with Norwegian names but has an å-challenged keyboard. --Hegvald (talk) 13:12, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep in addition to Hegvald's comments, I'd describe "Hakon" as a very plausible misspelling of "Haakon" for English speakers who do not frequently encounter "aa" in non-onomatopoeic contexts (a quick look suggests only, onomatopoeia, "ethylenediaminetetraacetate" and loan words, with "aardvark" and "naan" (and their plural forms) being the only ones in the latter category in common usage in my experience). Thryduulf (talk) 16:00, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
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Ustuen Bilgen Reinart

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 * The result of the discussion was delete. Patar knight - chat/contributions 03:51, 24 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Ustuen Bilgen Reinart → Üstün Bilgen-Reinart (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ustuen_Bilgen_Reinart&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot) WP:RFD. Double or quits. The lowercase "ü" has become "ue" but the intial "Ü" remains as "U", not "Ue". I am only piecemeal deconstructing the Eubot's rules from the output, more as a little puzzle for myself than anything else, but I'm pretty sure it's that it didn't change capital letters, only lowercase, so "U" + "ue" = nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 22:41, 17 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete as WP:PN. Narky Blert (talk) 00:22, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not plausible at all. Thryduulf (talk) 16:02, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
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2013 western Iran earthquake
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2013 Ilam earthquake

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 * The result of the discussion was delete. Patar knight - chat/contributions 03:51, 24 December 2016 (UTC)


 * 2013 Ilam earthquake → List of earthquakes in Iran (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2013_Ilam_earthquake&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The encyclopedia does not contain any information on this non-notable event. Dawnseeker2000 22:03, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as WP:RFD confusing, not at target. Incidentally I did a Special:Search for "wild goose chase" earlier today, and the only results were from WP:RFD, I don't know how I managed that because now I get loads of other results, but if I turn off various other namespace searches I see that User:Codename Lisa is particularly fond of that expression (and rightly, too). Si Trew (talk) 22:23, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as this does not appear to be covered anywhere on Wikipedia. Ilam province is unambiguously in western Iran though, so this is event is likely the one the creator of (nominated above) had in mind. Thryduulf (talk) 16:15, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment – Yes, this is the same November 24 event. Dawnseeker2000  00:52, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
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Panta kléa

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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 18:13, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Delete per WP:RFD confusing, not at target. First glance from gsearch suggests this is Brazilian Portuguese, second glance suggests also, but there is no particular affinity of the target to Portuguese, WP:RFFL. Si Trew (talk) 21:56, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Panta kléa → Pentacle (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Panta_kl%C3%A9a&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]  (User:Martaperez~enwiki)
 * Panta klea → Pentacle (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Panta_klea&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]  (Eubot)
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Sayings of the high ones

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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 18:13, 27 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Sayings of the high ones → Hávamál (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sayings_of_the_high_ones&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Sayings of the high one → Hávamál (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sayings_of_the_high_one&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not sure. Several High Ones had various sayings, so I don't think these are specific to those that Hár said. It's a literal translation of the title as give in the WP:FIRSTSENTENCE but if I remember correctly, doesn't work as it does for other languages. would not be right, either, I guess, but it could be the other name for a lot of other things (almost anything Timothy Leary said, for example). Si Trew (talk) 21:18, 17 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete as confusing/wrong. The 1936 Bellows translation of the Elder Edda (p.28) calls Hávamál "The Ballad of the High One" and "The High One's Words". Singular, not plural: Othin, and Othin alone, was the High One in Norse mythology. Narky Blert (talk) 23:52, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * And we have, to the same target. Si Trew (talk) 12:27, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
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2009 San Bernardino Earthquake

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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 18:12, 27 December 2016 (UTC)


 * 2009 San Bernardino Earthquake → Lists of earthquakes (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2009_San_Bernardino_Earthquake&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The encyclopedia does not contain any information about this non-notable event. Dawnseeker2000 21:04, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as WP:RFD confusing, not at target, and my Gsearch reveals five results (only) from the local news about an unusal earthquake warning. The Wikometer measured -1 on the Richter scale with a shaky 3 hits in 90 days, and no internal links. Si Trew (talk) 21:24, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
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Frespanol

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 * The result of the discussion was Keep (non-admin closure) -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 00:26, 24 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Frespanol → Frespañol (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Frespanol&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot) Delete. On the face of it this looks like a simple, but the target is a linguistic one about "a portmanteau of the words français and español", so it makes absolutely no sense to remove the tilde "ñ" on this one, it makes it WP:RFD nonsense. There are no other redirects to this target: quite rightly, because if it is not spelt exactly like this it doesn't have the sense it conveys. Three hits in ninety days; no internal links. Si Trew (talk) 20:54, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. How else is one supposed to get to the article using an ASCII keyboard layout? I doubt we'd delete the Espanol redirect. --Paul_012 (talk) 09:38, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep per Paul 012. Additionally, I don't think the deletion rationale ("if it is not spelt exactly like this it doesn't have the sense") passes muster. Besides diacritics, there are any number reasons a variant form might point to an article about a word. Consider: Þou → Thou, Pray thee → Prithee, N****r → Nigger, 'll → Shall and will... Cnilep (talk) 00:31, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
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President Donald

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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 18:12, 27 December 2016 (UTC)


 * President Donald → Donald Trump (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=President_Donald&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

We have President Barack (but redirects to Barack Obama; Donald does not redirect to Trump's article). --Nev&eacute;–selbert 01:55, 8 December 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete WP:XY. See Donald Ramotar, Donald Tusk etc. etc. dah dah dah. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 02:10, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Surely Trump is the primary topic though? Tazerdadog (talk) 04:12, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Trump is rarely refered to just by "Donald" as opposed to "The Donald". President Bush is a redirect to George Bush, whilst President Park points to Park Chung-hee with a hatnote to Park Geun-hye. The question of whether Donald Trump Jr. or Ivanka Trump will run for president is one purely based on rumor, so President Trump is suitable as a valid redirect. President Lee also points to Lee Teng-hui with no hatnote to Syngman Rhee, Li Xiannian or Lee Myung-bak.  -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 04:45, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep there is absolutely no question that Trump is the primary topic for this term in English-language sources. Thryduulf (talk) 11:27, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. AFAICT, Donald Trump isn't known as "President Donald", so there's no reason to assume someone would search using this phrase. I'd have no problem with the redirect if Mr. Trump is the only person named Donald to have the title of President (eg: I'm fine with ), but since it's ambiguous, it becomes harmful. One could mitigate the harm by creating a hatnote saying something along the lines of "President Donald" redirects here. For other Presidents named Donald, see Donald Ramotar, Donald Tusk, etc., but that seems awfully trivial to me. I'd rather the redirect be deleted and in the off-chance someone searches using this term, the search engine will point them in the right direction. -- Tavix ( talk ) 17:42, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Donald, where all three are mentioned, or create a page for presidents named Donald at the redirect's current title. Patar knight - chat/contributions 17:54, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per Tavix. We have a category with hundreds of title and name disambiguation pages, but they're based on surnames, not given names. We don't want to encourage more pages like this one. - Eureka Lott 02:43, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per Tavix. A retarget or disambiguation page full of WP:PTMs would be trivial. Also, it should be noted that this isn't being used at all, with the peak (outside of this RM) being a stunning 4 hits on November 10. On the other hand President Trump got 230+.  Taylor Trescott  - my talk + my edits 13:31, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per Tavix. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 20:26, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per Tavix or disambiguate. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 21:01, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep per page view statistics; 89,000+ daily page views for Trump, 800 for Tusk, didn't bother looking up the other guy, since it's safe to assume very few people are looking for information about a former president of Guyana. If people are looking for President Donald, they are looking for Trump. GaryColemanFan (talk) 17:38, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943  (talk) 20:13, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per Tavix. GaryColemanFan's argument about stats is compelling, except that of that average readership of 89,000 or so only two readers (approx. 0.0023%) use the redirect to get to Trump's article, if that's indeed where they want to end up, indicating that it's not a well-known phrase or likely search term at all. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 23:15, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
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TCG Goeksu (F 497)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 18:11, 27 December 2016 (UTC)


 * <span id="TCG Goeksu (F 497)">TCG Goeksu (F 497) → USS Estocin (FFG-15) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=TCG_Goeksu_(F_497)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot) Delete. I've mark various others redirects to this target as, and targeted them to section USS Estocin (FFG-15) leaving a courtesy comment there per WP:RSECT. This ship was sold to the Turks and renamed, a fairly normal procedure, and so the name is Turkish ( (or ), so it's another Germanic umlaut one; this "ö" is in the Turkish alphabet, as the target makes clear. Si Trew (talk) 20:04, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
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Barbarism (traditional linguistics)
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 16:51, 29 December 2016 (UTC)


 * <span id="Barbarism (traditional linguistics)">Barbarism (traditional linguistics) → Classical compound (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Barbarism_(traditional_linguistics)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Per this discussion at WikiProject Linguistics, "Barbarism" is not a synonym of "Classical compound", notwithstanding the R from other name. Cnilep (talk) 00:20, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment should weigh in here as an authority on these topic here at RFD. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 00:51, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * No authority, just an amateur.
 * In my woodware of prescriptive grammarians, Partridge's Usage and Abusage doesn't have it. Fowler in Modern English Usage (both 1st and 2nd editions) has a long (one whole column) topic headed "barbarisms" which starts "The word here is used only in the last of the senses assigned to it in the preceding article ["barbarism, barbarity, barbarousness"]); it has the meaning the Greeks gave it of a word formed in an unorthodox way, and it conveys no more pejorative an implication that that it is the sort of thing one might expect from a foreigner." So we have a very RS to the use in this sense. The earlier Fowler brothers' The King's English doesn't have it. I would put it down as this usage mainly to Fowler's influence, although as you see he does not condemn it except in particular cases that cause confusion and for the fact it may offend others.
 * The last of Orwell's Six Rules for writing English is "Break any of these rules sooner than say anything outright barbarous" (and Orwell was well aware of Fowler, he says somewhere of "onto", "if I remember correctly Fowler doesn't altogether condemn it"). However, that does not mean this narrow sense of barbarism.
 * I think the redirect, and the disambiguation, are just fine, but we do need some tidying up at the target. Since that's really still being done, with an active discussion, Keep this for now. Si Trew (talk) 04:21, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * You might understand me and disagree, in which case I hope this further disagreement comes across as a friendly one. I suspect, though, that I'm doing a crap job explaining what I think is wrong with the redirect. In brief:
 * There is no distinction between Barbarism (traditional linguistics) and Barbarism (modern linguistics).
 * Neither of those refers to Classical compound as such, though compounds that are Hybrid words might be described as barbarism.
 * There is no need to make any title with "Barbarism" a redirect to Classical compound or to Hybrid word. "Barbarism (modern linguistics)", which was originally called "Barbarism (linguistics)", describes the relationships.
 * Unrelated to this discussion, but if you're interested in Fowler: Ladies, Gentlemen, and English usage Cnilep (talk) 06:48, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943  (talk) 20:00, 17 December 2016 (UTC) coming back to you: as I said before, I wanted to keep this "for now" while it seemed to be actively being discused and the target edited; having changed the redirect then would just have been a diversion.
 * There's a short-cut: since we don't have traditional linguistics or modern linguistics (or anything similar) it's bizarre to disambiguate on those terms. Delete the nomination and please add Barbarism (modern linguistics) to this nomination, also to be deleted. Si Trew (talk) 20:32, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Si, Barbarism (modern linguistics) was an article when you wrote this, so it wouldn't be deleted here. Now, since I'm deleting "Barbarism (traditional linguistics)", "Barbarism (modern linguistics)" suddenly has over-precise disambiguation, and so I'll move it to Barbarism (linguistics). The remaining redirect seems harmless to me, but no prejudice against a deletion nomination for it. --BDD (talk) 16:51, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
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Muxé
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 * The result of the discussion was keep the first, delete the other two. --BDD (talk) 16:25, 29 December 2016 (UTC)


 * <span id="Muxé">Muxé → Muxe (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mux%C3%A9&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Muxé(Zapotec)">Muxé(Zapotec) → Muxe (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mux%C3%A9(Zapotec)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Muxe(Zapotec)">Muxe(Zapotec) → Muxe (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Muxe(Zapotec)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]  (eubot)

Delete. The target has no diacritic on the "e", and no mention that it might have. Thence to create an accent for it is one error; to create an unnecessary disambigation from it is another, and to and not to put a space between the title and the parenthesis is a third; thence to back-form another and cat it as  to a title that never had diacritics is a fourth. How many do you want? Si Trew (talk) 18:46, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Weak keep Muxé as a pronunciation redirect, it appears to be pronounced with the trailing e emphasized, which is unusual for Spanish words not spelled with an accent mark. Delete the other two as improper disambiguation (no space before the disambiguator). Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 23:21, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep the first one per WP:DIACRITIC, delete the other two per IV. Patar knight - chat/contributions 19:15, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
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Herbert Asquith
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 * The result of the discussion was restore previous redirect to H.H. Asquith and hatnote. Patar knight - chat/contributions 03:51, 24 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Herbert Asquith → H. H. Asquith (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Herbert_Asquith&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Does H. H. Asquith qualify for a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT? I can't see why not, but fervently believes otherwise. Herbert Asquith (poet) was the son of the aforementioned Mr Asquith, and his article is currently at WP:STUB status. I really doubt anybody searching for "Herbert Asquith" is looking for the poet (who seems really rather insignificant judging from his article, compared to his father whose article is a WP:FA candidate). I admit I was being WP:BOLD in redirecting the dab page to the Prime Minister's without a discussion, and I regret that. I hope a consensus can be reached here as to whether Asquith the Prime Minister qualifies as the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. --Nev&eacute;–selbert 18:35, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I would say that Asquith the Prirme Minister (of England, by the way, according to his gravestone as quoted by Bill Bryson: he seemed to have forgotten he was Prime Minister of the rest of the United Kingdom)is definitely primary: and I don't have to, that's why he's at Herbert Asquith and the other is at Herbert Asquith (poet). The question is not that, but whether H. H. Asquith is the primary for the redirect. I can see that it could well be used specifically to distinguish him from the Prime Minister; now, do they, actually? I have gone through ten pages of Google results for verbatim search of "H. H. Asquith" and they all give the Prime Minister. I did the same for "Herbert Asquith" and the first mention of the poet is (for me) the 50th entry, the last of ten on the 5th page, to http://www.theotherpages.org/poems/poem-ab.html. I could of course refine the search (typing "poet" would seem a good idea), but it seems pretty bloody obvious that H. H. Asquith is primarily the Prime Minister, not his versifying son. Si Trew (talk) 19:02, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * "Prime Minister of England" was a phrase often used at the time. Scots and Irishmen often used to refer to Britain or even the British Empire as "England", odd as that sounds to modern ears.Paulturtle (talk) 15:26, 18 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Oppose redirect The question is not whether the PM was more significant than the poet in the grand scheme of things, of course he was and is. The question is rather whether we should have a dab page at Herbert Asquith. When I edited that page to be a dab page two years ago (and I do not recollect any complaints about that action then or since, until now), I did so because links intended for the poet were taking readers to the page about the politician. Roy Jenkins in his biography of the PM made the point that Asquith's forenames were almost unknown to the public - and I would add that in my lifelong following of British Liberalism I've never heard anyone refer to the PM as "Herbert Asquith" - he is known as "H. H. Asquith" or simply "Asquith". I would also refer editors to the discussion about the name of the H. H. Asquith article at Talk:H._H._Asquith. As to the article about Herbert (the poet) being a stub - that simply means the article is a stub and needs expanding, not that Herbert Asquith should point to H. H. Asquith. I do keep an eye on the incoming links to Herbert Asquith, and it does not now seem to attract links intended for the PM. I doubt that many people looking for "Herbert Asquith" would be looking for the PM. I do not see that redirection would benefit the encyclopaedia in any way, but I do see that it would encourage the introduction of incorrect links, which would degrade the encyclopaedia. DuncanHill (talk) 19:13, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * The question's not whether we should have a DAB page. It's whether it should be at H. H. Asquith (disambiguation) or at Herbert Asquith or at Herbert Asquith (disambiguation) or somewhere else. If the DAB only happens to have two entries, we shouldn't have it: if it has more than two entries, we should, that's just WP:TWODABS to decide that. Si Trew (talk) 19:48, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * NO! H. H. Asquith NEVER refers to the poet! H. H. is only ever the PM, Herbert is almost always the poet. DuncanHill (talk) 02:10, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Can you provide any evidence for the assertion that "Herbert is almost always the poet"? john k (talk) 03:09, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm all in favour of preventing accidental linking: some thing that may have been useful in the early days of Wikipedia, but is positively harmful now. I don't know how really to do this test; I did the Google test and you're not accepting that as a reasonable idea of what people expect when they type "Herbert Asquith" or "H. H. Asquith". (I notice that H. Asquith and H Asquith are red but redirects to H. H. Asquith). Now, I am no great literate wit, but I know that his contemporary the poet Saki's real name was H. H. Munro, Hector Hugh Munro, or that Herbert Read was rather good, without needing to check those up, but I have never heard of H. H. Asquith the poet whereas I have definitely heard of H. H. Asquith the Prime Minister. If you want, I'll do a poll of the books on my shelf here. I have about fifty anthologies of British poetry covering that period, and about the same of politics covering that period. Choose how you want, but if you want I'll count how many will be to H. H. Asquith the poet, and how many to H. H. Asquith the Prime Minister, Earl of Oxford etc. That would seem fair when I have about fifty of each from about the same period of time. I'll tabulate both how many books, and how many index entries in each book.  Si Trew (talk) 19:41, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment @SimonTrew There is no "H H Asquith the poet". This discussion is about Herbert Asquith, not H. H. Asquith. If you can't be bothered to read the nomination, the dab page, or either of the target articles then perhaps you should refrain from commenting. DuncanHill (talk) 01:59, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * And furthermore Saki was not a poet, unless you're sitting on a pile of unknown manuscripts. DuncanHill (talk) 02:01, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * It seems to me that even is Asquith (the PM) is rarely called "Herbert Asquith," that name is still much, much more commonly used to refer to his son. It's not even clear that Asquith the Younger is notable enough, in his own right, to warrant an article of his own. Our only sourced reference to him is to an article about his father. It seems clear to me that "Herbert Asquith" should redirect to the PM. The son should, at best, be referred to by a hat note at the top of the page, if he warrants an article of his own at all. If there are mistaken links to Herbert Asquith for the son, they should be fixed. Wikipedia editors' mistakes are not a guide to English usage. john k (talk) 00:12, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment I appear to be the only person who ever has corrected incorrect links in this case. It is possible that 1) I might get bored of doing so, and 2) I may not be immortal. I do not understand how the redirect is supposed to improve anything, and no-one has so far suggested any way in which it would improve anything. Being worth anthologising by Larkin for OUP is strongly suggestive of being worth an article. DuncanHill (talk) 01:56, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * That does seem good evidence of notability, though the article itself does very little to make clear that he's actually a significant poet. The redirect will improve things because the vast majority of people who type in "Herbert Asquith" will be looking for the PM, not his son. And I refuse to believe that there's going to be a wild growth in the number of links to Herbert Asquith that are intended to be for the poet (and those links should be corrected regardless, since we should take people to the poet's page, not his father's, if the link refers to them). There are currently only 24 total articles linking to Herbert Asquith (poet), about half of which are articles about members of the Asquith family, which presumably never just linked to Herbert Asquith. john k (talk) 18:34, 19 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep redirect: The prime minister is clearly the Primary Topic for "Herbert Asquith"; the hatnote pointing to his son the poet is correct and useful (though I've tweaked it into a "redirect" hatnote); readers looking for the prime minister under a very common form of his name (http://www.historytoday.com/roland-quinault/asquith-prime-minister-war, http://www.firstworldwar.com/bio/asquith.htm, http://spartacus-educational.com/PRasquith.htm etc)should not be diverted to a dab page but should get straight to their target. Pam  D  11:39, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I think what's there this morning is reasonable. HH Asquith is often wrongly referred to as "Herbert Asquith" in books, newspapers etc and so people are going to type that and come looking for him, not for his son the minor poet. As soon as they read the article they will learn that this is not strictly correct. He called himself "Herbert" in a letter to his first wife as late as March 1887 but she died in September 1891. Other than that he signed himself "HH Asquith", even in letters to his mother as a teenager. His second wife Margot called him Henry, and what his girlfriend Venetia called him I do not think we know, as her letters to him have not survived. David Lloyd George is often wrongly called "Lloyd-George" (in fact he hyphenated his peerage title not his name), so "Lloyd-George" leads to the famous Prime Minister, not to his son Major Gwilym Lloyd-George, a lesser politician who actually did hyphenate his name in later life.Paulturtle (talk) 15:26, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Comment The nominator abused BRD. He boldly changed a dab page to a redirect without discussion, I reverted him, he asked me why and I explained. He then changed the dab page to a redirect again and then came here. He should have gone to the talk page of the dab page, or to the disambiguation project. DuncanHill (talk) 16:50, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep redirect. What matters above all else is what people searching for "Herbert Asquith" are expecting to find. The vast majority of them will be looking for the prime minister so they should be taken there by a redirect. The hatnote means that everyone else is only one click away. Thryduulf (talk) 16:22, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * It was a redirect for eight six years until you converted it to a redirect without a discussion. I didn't "abuse" anything, please keep your cool.--Nev&eacute;–selbert 17:00, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * And for eight years it attracted incorrect links. I was Bold and NOBODY REVERTED. This time, you were Bold, and then you were reverted. So you should have started a discussion rather than re-introducing your Bold edit. DuncanHill (talk) 21:06, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * What incorrect incoming links are you on about? No article presently links to Herbert Asquith and the proof is here. I have started a discussion at Rfd. For the record, for most of the page's existence it was a redirect to H. H. Asquith; you sir made it into a dab page without any consensus of any kind. If anything, I'm restoring what had been the status quo. If consensus does indeed vindicate your position, I'm all for accepting that and moving on. Meanwhile, just be patient and civil please.--Nev&eacute;–selbert 22:29, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Edit: I meant six years, since you changed it to a dab page in November 2014 and not this year. Sorry for the error.--Nev&eacute;–selbert 15:43, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
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Boxing Day tidal wave
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 * The result of the discussion was keep. --BDD (talk) 16:23, 29 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Boxing Day tidal wave → 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Boxing_Day_tidal_wave&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami is not a tidal wave. The event was triggered by an earthquake. If we keep this, we are literally teaching people that tsunamis are tidal waves. We should not do this. Dawnseeker2000 18:35, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * A tsunami is a wave, and it is carried on the tide. It's a tidal wave. (A tide is a wave, if you're a physicist – it has a wavelength related to the orbit of the moon, for example, and a frequency related to the rotation of the earth, which makes it ebb and flow regularly like, er, a wave: other effects are merely superimpositions upon the tide as a carrier wave.) I'd be more worried about it being on Boxing Day, which is a far less worldwide term than "tidal wave", or that not very long ago we imported the word "tsunami" to replace the perfectly good, if somewhat tautologous, English word "tidal wave". Keep . Si Trew (talk) 19:10, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Respectfully disagreeing. I wouldn't have brought this here if I didn't think it was incorrect. I really don't want us to be responsible for teaching potentially large numbers of our readers that the late 2004 event was a tidal-anything (surge, bore, wave). The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration seems to be in agreement, saying "The term "tidal wave" is often used to refer to tsunamis; however, this reference is incorrect as tsunamis have nothing to do with tides". Dawnseeker2000  21:50, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, you're hoist with your own petard, because we quite often keep redirects that are "incorrect", and you have an WP:RS (we only need WP:V anyway) that says that the term is often used (incorrectly). In fact that's why we have . Personally I don't think it's incorrect, but my own opinion is irrelevant. I'll just have to respectfully disagree with NOAA as well as you! Probably "marine wave" would be a more accurate term than "tidal wave" here, but that's somewhat pedantic (and we'd also need riverine wave or fluvial wave for things like the Severn Bore). While the NOAA might not like it, the NOAA is not an official authority on the American English language, let alone other forms of English (there isn't one).
 * But, I can't find any sources that use this term in full, although there are several that use "Boxing Day tsunami" in the title but "tidal wave" in the running text, presumably as inelegant variation. Synthesising the name "Boxing Day tidal wave" is probably too far, so Delete on those grounds.
 * As for the didactic argument: Wikipedia is not a reliable source, so if anything what should be taught to our readers is not to believe Wikipedia but to look things up in reliable sources. Si Trew (talk) 12:47, 18 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep. This is a search term that people will, and according to the stats, do use. Whether it is right or wrong is not relevant - it is the job of the article to educate people about the correct term. Thryduulf (talk) 16:24, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment – We draw the interest of many scientists and organizations, and I can easily imagine that some of these clicks are them wondering "What are they doing?". Dawnseeker2000  16:36, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * The answer to that is simple: Catering for non-experts - Wikipedia is a general purpose encyclopaedia and our articles need to be able to be found by subject experts, laypeople who've half remembered something or are coming across something they've never seen before and everyone in between. If you aren't looking a for either this search term or something like it, or looking at what links to the article (and if you don't actually click on the redirect it is not recorded in the stats) it's unlikely you'll know this redirect exists so it is very unlikely that subject experts wondering what we are doing form a sizeable proportion of the page views. Thryduulf (talk) 17:23, 18 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep. Entirely plausible search term. Prior to 2004, tsunamis were commonly (mistakenly) referred to as tidal waves. It was the 26 December event that created awareness of tsunamis in general. For perspective, the Tidal wave disambiguation page lists Tsunami as a possible target. --Paul_012 (talk) 08:14, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment – Of course it's a plausible search term, but we don't need to be validating incorrect terms, especially considering the target has 80+ redirects to it. I think readers should have zero trouble finding what what they're looking for with those and the various navigation templates that link to it. Please remember that words are a powerful thing and that what we choose to use in articles, article titles, and redirects have an enormous impact on readers worldwide. Dawnseeker2000  21:30, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but I don't quite understand your point. How does the existence of a redirect impact the general reader's experience? --Paul_012 (talk) 08:26, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm still just singing the same tune: We should avoid using misleading text anywhere in the encyclopedia because the readers are adversely affected by reading (and believing) what they read. That's what we do here. We write, and they read and learn, and it's preferable that we not teach fallacious concepts. The public already has films like San Andreas. We don't need to do the same. Dawnseeker2000  15:28, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, of course. But redirects like these aren't supposed to be linked to nor read by readers. I've tagged this one as with &#123;&#123;r from incorrect name&#125;&#125; to show the fact. --Paul_012 (talk) 06:56, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
 * They read it as it's being typed into the search box. Dawnseeker2000  16:15, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
 * If they are typing it in the search box then they already know the phrase and are wanting to be taken to the article when they use it. The article will educate them about the correct terminology (and educating people is what we're here for). If they don't know the term then they wont use or be aware of this redirect, and because the article uses only the correct terminology they wont learn other versions from us. Thryduulf (talk) 18:42, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
 * No. The article does not correct the reader about terminology. It reinforces the term "tidal wave" by including the text "In response, the India Home Affairs minister announced that a fresh onslaught of deadly tidal waves were likely along the India southern coast and Andaman and Nicobar Islands". I will remove that when this discussion is finished.


 * We do not need this useless redirect. It misinforms and validates the use of an incorrect term. No one has made a case here that it will be difficult for an average reader to find the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami article without this one present. How can it be with 85 redirects, 500+ article space links, three navigation templates, and nineteen categories? Dawnseeker2000  18:53, 22 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep per Thryduulf and Paul 012. Valid R from error. Patar knight - chat/contributions 03:20, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
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Marsai Martin
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus. Ranze, if you want to write an article on her but still can't edit this, use draft space or your userspace, and I'll move it over this title for you. --BDD (talk) 16:21, 29 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Marsai Martin → Black-ish (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Marsai_Martin&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I think we should expand this into a stub about the actress. In August User:Blakegripling ph redirected it on the basis "Preliminary redirect to Black-ish as she's best known for her role in the series." I agree that made sense at the time. As of October she has had a starring role in "An American Girl Story - Melody 1963: Love Has to Win" as well as a role in Elena of Avalor as Cat the inventor. I'd like to help build such an article but since it is presently a redirect I can't touch it. I also need someone to do Step 1 and tag the redirect itself as being under RFD. Ranze (talk) 20:10, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

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 * I don't quite grasp the problem. What's keeping you from starting an article? Just go here and start editing. - Eureka Lott 20:26, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * If Marsai Martin was a red link I could definitely start the article, but I am not allowed to edit redirects so until it's an article I can't do anything but request a change. Ranze (talk) 17:14, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep WP:TOOSOON. Cat in Elena of Avalor isn't a starring role, and that American Girl special isn't highly notable (it's just a direct-to-video or Amazon prime), so she's not quite reached WP:ENT yet. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 20:32, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
 * checked out and noticed that in addition to the one directed by Tina Mabry there may be a second American Girl film directed by Valerie Weiss. She also voices Jill in Goldie and Bear and I know her and Jack are recurring (albeit not the 2 star) characters on the show. In the episode "Too Much Jack and Jill" they are titular characters. Ranze (talk) 17:17, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 18:30, 17 December 2016 (UTC) I've added the "Stage 1" and put the RfD wrapper around the redirect; thus it is no longer a redirect but technically and article. I don't understand and don't want to know why you can't, or think you can't edit redirects, I'm WP:AGF so that you can add the content. Articles trump redirects any time. (I am not an admin.) Si Trew (talk) 21:37, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * The IMDB entry you listed appears to be a duplicate of the Melody film; the second AmGirl film in the direct-to-Amazon series is the one starring Alyvia Alyn Lind. As for Melody's notability, it has been extensively covered in third-party sources though idk if that adds up to Martin's rep as an actress to warrant a separate article. Blake Gripling (talk) 03:27, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

The dilemma here is that while neither role might warrant notability enough for her own article (her role in the major show Blackish is too minor, the film she has a major role in isn't highly notable) it's also unclear which of the two articles deserves to have her name redirected to. She's the star of the American Girl film on one hand, but she might be more well known for her supporting role in Black-ish.

That's why it seems easier to just allow a stub since it avoids settling the question of which page to redirect to.

If it is kept as a redirect though, I would suggest someone else (I can't, banned from edits) at least tag it with template:R with possibilities because it could definitely be expanded to a full article at a later date considering it's a still-growing career. Ranze (talk) 10:34, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
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Cooked sliced ham
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LH Server
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus. -- Tavix ( talk ) 16:52, 30 December 2016 (UTC)


 * LH Server → Windows Server 2008 (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=LH_Server&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not sure what this means, anyway, does not seem to be a valid synonym. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 06:24, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

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 * The original edit summary says it's an abbreviation for longhorn server. A Google search suggests no evidence of this being used as a synonym for longhorn server, though, and it has no pageviews in the past 90 days, so I would say Delete . Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 10:16, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
 * A Google search gives me 2 hits on the first page and 3 4 on the second where "LH server" is used for "Longhorn server", so it's not unheard of. I originally created the redirect because I had to look it up once when it was mentioned on some kind of forum where I was looking for documentation. In my view, Wikipedia is exactly the right place to look up the meaning of this kind of semi-obscure terms. And as long as they aren't incorrect (and this one isn't), redirects don't harm or stand in the way for anyone. – gpvos (talk) 10:35, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
 * The list I got, for reference:      – gpvos (talk) 10:45, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep per as the synonym is used. Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 13:21, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete since, while "Longhorn" does appear in the article, "LH" does not, so the redir is meaningless.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼  04:10, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

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 * Delete The links provided above are all to forums. This could be marked as a r avoided double redirect, but I couldn't find any reliable sources using this abbreviation in this context. Furthermore, I did find sources seemingly using it in other contexts. —  Godsy (TALK<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;"> CONT ) 05:35, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
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Suhareke
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 18:10, 27 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Suhareke → Suva Reka (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Suhareke&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot) *Delete er WP:RFD. I've tagged as  (Albanian) but I can't sensibly do so with this, because it's not Albanian when it has lost its diacritic on the "e"; the only place this was used was in Albania–Kosovo_Highway, where the editor has presumably not read the advice at  (why should they even see it?) and accidentally linked through the title without diacritics... that is, the very presence of this redirect has caused the article to mislead, exactly what I've been bashing on about. Hits are about one every three or four days: I bet there are frewer now it's properly linked (even though the article also is inconsistent in linking through, but from what I understand, the English long "a" ("castle" in a Southern English accent) is closer to the Albanian "ë" sound than an "e" is. Si Trew (talk) 18:21, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
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Tai Lu (language)
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 * The result of the discussion was keep. Patar knight - chat/contributions 03:52, 24 December 2016 (UTC)


 * <span id="Tai Lu (language)">Tai Lu (language) → Tai Lü language (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tai_Lu_(language)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot) Not sure, somewhat perversely, since the WP:FIRSTSENTENCE of the target gives several alternative spellings but "Tai Lu" is not one of them, but "Tai Lue" is; so whether the R is thus derived by thinking it of a Germanic umlaut or not, the result for Tai Lue (language) would be correct. Yet this one (plain "Tai Lu") is not stated as being OK, so it probably is not. Would User:Champion or User:Deryck Chan or User:Siuenti perhaps know? Exactly 0 hits in 90 days; no internal links. Si Trew (talk) 17:51, 17 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Not sure, leaning keep. Ethnologue thinks "Tai Lu" is an acceptable alternative name. Deryck C. 19:01, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep per Deryck, likely someone will search for it without diacritics, but the parentheses are a bit far off. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 21:33, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. I'm not familiar with the issue, but why would this be an inappropriate redirect? I understand deleting cases where ue is incorrectly substituted for ü, but anyone typing on an ASCII keyboard would probably just drop the diaeresis, making this a wholly appropriate R to diacritics. To answer the correctness question, though, both ue and ü are used by several transcription systems to represent the vowel in various Tai languages. --Paul_012 (talk) 08:31, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
 * keep both the dropping of the diaeresis and the "(language)" are individually completely plausible search terms (for the latter note we also have e.g. French (language), Spanish (language), Cantonese (language) and probably many others). I don't think that the combination makes this implausible, particularly given Deryck's findings. Thryduulf (talk) 10:14, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
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Tuomarinkylae
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 18:10, 27 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Tuomarinkylae → Tuomarinkylä (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tuomarinkylae&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot) Delete as WP:RFD. We already have, also created by Eubot as a , so the usual dose of quack medicine after a misdiagnosis of Germanic umlaut applied to a healthy letter from the Finnish alphabet. Si Trew (talk) 17:24, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment. I don't know German at all (I was living in Cairo learning Arabic when my schoolchild contemporaries were starting to learn German) but from sifting through these, it seems a letter with the Germanic umlaut can never appear as the final letter of a word anyway? That seems an unlikely conclusion, but I've never seen an example where it has, nor a rule that says it can't. Thinking of things like Oberammergau or Landau and whatnot, I can't think of any German word that ends with a Germanic umlaut. (Yes, I know that I said "German" and "Germanic" but I don't know Danish, Swedish, etc. either.) Is there some rule of euphony etc. that says it could not possibly appear there? Or are there examples where it does? It would put me out of my misery, because if it can't then we can just dismiss anything ending in "ue", "oe", "ae" that has been created this way, as being malformed transliteration even if it were from (a) German(ic language). Si Trew (talk) 17:31, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
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The Iron Duke
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to Iron Duke. Patar knight - chat/contributions 03:24, 24 December 2016 (UTC)


 * The Iron Duke → Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Iron_Duke&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Should this redirect stay targeted to the Duke of Wellington's article, or should it go to the Iron Duke dab page? I searched Google Images for "Iron Duke" and the images are predominately of the HMS Iron Duke Navy ships, without any sign of the esteemed general and former Prime Minister. Of course, the name of those ships was indeed inspired by his nickname, but I'm not arguing that the ships are the WP:PTOPIC. I'm just sceptical as to whether this redirect sufficiently qualifies WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT. --Nev&eacute;–selbert 15:20, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Tricky one, but I think it should go to Iron Duke. The ships are patently not the Iron Duke because there are more than one of them; but any particular one might be. Perhaps the D of W didn't like having his picture taken, but I don't think we can rely on Google Images results too much: my Google Images search for "the iron duke" (in lowercase) gives me (going left to right, top to bottom) the first four as a book by Meljean Brook, the fifth as a pub and (I think) the sixth as a sign for a different pub in Devises; the seventh a famous portrait of the resident of No. 1. London reprinted by the Daily Echo - probably the Western Daily Echo -, the sixth a book by Richard Holmes (biographer), the seventh a book by L. Ron Hubbard, and the eight the poster for a film starring George Arliss. (I haven't checked any of the links, just that's the results page). I note with some alacrity that at the DAB at Iron Duke, the poor old D of W is beaten into first place by a Spaniard... so the Spanish Armada beat the British Navy after all... Si Trew (talk) 18:09, 17 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Go to the Iron Duke dab page. This is an archaic nickname for Wellesley that only the most florid writers would use today. It rarely gets more than a passing mention by historians. SteveStrummer (talk) 20:58, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Iron Duke. Seems straightforward enough, plus there are pages on that dab page that are literally titled "The Iron Duke". –Grondemar 21:37, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I think it was revived somewhat by Stephen Fry's playing him in Blackadder III and referring to hmself (the D of W) as "the Iron Duke". I would think anyone that watched Blackadder would remember that, (and they're repeating that very series right now on BBC 1, let alone constantly on the repeats channel Dave (TV channel)) so it is not quite out of the public imagination, in Britain at least, as you may imagine. Si Trew (talk) 22:16, 17 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Iron Duke. I speak as a Brit. Obsolete nickname, known only to historians and to elderly contract bridge players. Narky Blert (talk) 00:48, 18 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Iron Duke. Bertdrunk (talk) 02:28, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
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Dinnerbone
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 * The result of the discussion was delete without objection. -- Tavix ( talk ) 21:09, 26 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Dinnerbone → Mojang (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dinnerbone&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

redirect that is for another developer at Bukkit, not this person. This redirect should be deleted if it is pointing to another person. — billinghurst  sDrewth  14:20, 17 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Note: Articles for deletion/Dinnerbone was closed as redirect to Mojang. - Eureka Lott 17:04, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete: redirect should be deleted because the Mojang article does not mention Dinnerbone or Bukkit; that said, the nominator's reason is wrong- Dinnerbone worked on the Bukkit project, then Mojang bought Bukkit, now he works at Mojang. Same person. -- Pres N  19:02, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
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Parc Étang
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Jack Agueeros
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 18:09, 27 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Jack Agueeros → Jack Agüeros (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jack_Agueeros&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot) WP:RFD, Delete. Not a Germanic umlaut, Iberian. Si Trew (talk) 14:06, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
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Saramaeki
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 18:09, 27 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Saramaeki → Saramäki (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Saramaeki&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot) Delete per WP:RFD, not a Germanic umlaut but a letter in the Finnish alphabet (Yes! This time it really is Finnish, User:Hegvald! The Swedish is, according to the article.) Si Trew (talk) 13:54, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I do get search results for this, but they are all essentially for directories thare are for "Find a house in " etc, so I'm disregarding them. Google asks, "Did you mean: Saramaki"?Si Trew (talk) 14:00, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
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Riviere des Prairies--Pointe-aux-Trembles--Montreal-Est
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. Patar knight - chat/contributions 03:51, 24 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Riviere des Prairies--Pointe-aux-Trembles--Montreal-Est → Rivière-des-Prairies–Pointe-aux-Trembles–Montréal-Est (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Riviere_des_Prairies--Pointe-aux-Trembles--Montreal-Est&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot) Another back formation (from ) with em dashes transliterated as two hyphen; the article's title is with en dashes between the places, and hyphens within the place names. I'll tag as, but the result is that we've replaced one dash with two hyphens, totally trampling the finesse of distinguishing the hyphens within the names from the dashes between them.I doubt anyone wanting to search this place would actually type two hyphens (and if they weren't typing but searching another way, their search engine would probably treat all dashes as equal, anyway). Si Trew (talk) 13:22, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - doesn't appear useful, likely to do funny things to the search engine. Zero recent hits. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 13:42, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. While there is a contextually-relevant reason to have double-hyphens in place as redirects to Canadian federal electoral district names that have em-dashes in them (i.e. double-hyphens were routinely seen in reliable sources as an alternative spelling back in the days of manual typesetting, and thus might still be mistaken for the actual name of the topic by readers who see the old sources but are not cognizant of the real naming convention), that's not applicable here: this is a borough of a city, not a federal electoral district, and those aren't em-dashes. Also remarkably strange that the redirect would keep the hyphens in Pointe-aux-Trembles and Montréal-Est, but drop them out of Rivière-des-Prairies — even people who don't know how to type en-dashes would still never type the hyphens in that particular combination of yes and no. Bearcat (talk) 21:52, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
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Iruñeko
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List of ships of the Forces navales francaises libres
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 18:01, 27 December 2016 (UTC)


 * List of ships of the Forces navales francaises libres → List of ships of the Free French Naval Forces (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_ships_of_the_Forces_navales_francaises_libres&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot) WP:RFD, mix of Franglais and English, a back-formation from. It doesn't make much sense to have a mixed-language redirect and then mix up the foreign language part of it, and I can't see it being a likely search term. Literally 0 hits in 90 days (whereas the redirect from which it mutated gets about 5 a day). Si Trew (talk) 12:18, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - This doesn't seem to be helpful at all. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 08:57, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
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Metamorfosis
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 * The result of the discussion was Withdrawn by me, perhaps to propose a merge. (non-admin closure) Si Trew (talk) 13:49, 17 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Metamorfosis → Metamorfosi (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Metamorfosis&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Metamorfossis → Metamorfosi (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Metamorfossis&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Two more creations to a Greek place from User:Pumpie. If we really need these variant transliterations from Greek, I'd suggest that Metamorphosis would be a better target. Si Trew (talk) 11:33, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment It's pure coincidence these are listed directly after the relisting of the one below: I got here via Eubot redirects to the same target, all of which are reasonably sane. Si Trew (talk) 11:38, 17 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Move Metamorfosis (disambiguation) to the plain title over the first nominated redirect, the dab page does list Metamorphosis.
 * Keep the second nominated redirect as search results indicate that it is almost always used to refer to the settlement. That article has a hatnote to the dab already. Thryduulf (talk) 11:45, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I really wonder whether we need the DABs at both Metamorphosis (disambiguation) and Metamorfosis (disambiguation). It's quite common that we combine DABs with variant spellings, and we could do so here. Probably technically the wrong forum, but one has to start somewhere (I didn't mention either DAB at first, so as not to confuse things.) Si Trew (talk) 11:50, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't see much overlap at all between the three dab pages (Metamorphosis (disambiguation), Metamorfosis (disambiguation) and Metamorphoses (disambiguation)) and all are sufficiently sizeable to stand alone in my opinion. If you disagree then the best course of action is to pick one of the talk pages and propose a merge, notifying WikiProject Disambiguation. Thryduulf (talk) 11:59, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I might do. My search results don't indicate that the current target is particularly primary (it's not even first or second in the vanilla results.) For now I best withdraw this since what we do with these redirects will probably fall out of that discussion, and certainly changing them won't help it. We also have and  which don't disambiguate the place fully, so should probably retarget the DAB: I wasn't going to list them here, but maybe I should, now that you've mentioned the DAB. Si Trew (talk) 12:03, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
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Krionérion, Greece
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 * The result of the discussion was delete "Krionérion" and "Kryonérion", no consensus on the others. --BDD (talk) 15:46, 29 December 2016 (UTC)


 * <span id="Krionérion, Greece">Krionérion, Greece → Kryoneri (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Krion%C3%A9rion,_Greece&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Krionério, Greece">Krionério, Greece → Kryoneri (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Krion%C3%A9rio,_Greece&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Kryonérion, Greece">Kryonérion, Greece → Kryoneri (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kryon%C3%A9rion,_Greece&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Krionéri, Greece">Krionéri, Greece → Kryoneri (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Krion%C3%A9ri,_Greece&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Kryonério, Greece">Kryonério, Greece → Kryoneri (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kryon%C3%A9rio,_Greece&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Kryonéri, Greece">Kryonéri, Greece → Kryoneri (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kryon%C3%A9ri,_Greece&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The target is a DAB page without diacritics, so these redirects with diacritics are a bit misleading in the sense that they look like they disambiguate but actually they don't. There are others, such as Krioneri, Greece which are OKish and that I've marked as. But I think these are just so much clutter: individually harmless, but collectively hinder search by implying that they are distinct places when there are not. These were not created by User:Eubot, but then Eubot has created another set based on them without the diacritics (I've not listed those here, I may list separately depending on the consensus for these ones). Delete all. Si Trew (talk) 05:27, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

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 * Weak keep all  some  These do indeed create a bit of clutter but I think most of it is inevitable when it comes to transliterating form foreign scripts. In the Greek spelling there is a diacritic and it is often kept in the romanisation. The y is also often substituted with i (Greek υ is pronounced the same as ι). I'm not sure about the -ion ones though. I don't know enough Greek but I've got the impression that -i and -ion are both common endings for place names, so one might be easy to confuse with the other. I would get confused at least. – Uanfala (talk) 12:39, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Looking at this again, I'm not sure about the -io(n) ones now. – Uanfala (talk) 21:51, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

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 * Comment I hadn't taken much notice at the time I nominated these, but these were created by User:Pumpie, a confirmed sockpuppeteer with a habit of creating every possible transliteration of Greek names, see Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2016_December_5 and Sockpuppet_investigations/Pumpie/Archive. Si Trew (talk) 11:19, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

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 * Delete all except the two ending in "-éri". I've finally got time to do some research. It seems that this "-néri" suffix for placename, meaning "[by the] fresh water", is a post-Byzantine innovation (see νερό). Indeed, none of the Kryoneris listed on the disambiguation page suggest that this place-name has been used before the Middle Ages. While the Modern Greek -i noun suffix is often a reflex of Hellenistic Greek -io(n), it would be pretentious to back-project these modern placenames onto an outdated form of their language and then transcribe them into English. I'm neutral on the two ending in "-éri" because they're correct alternative transcriptions of the Modern Greek placename but the ", Greece" is a bit superfluous. Deryck C. 19:26, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
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Sersveit rikisloegreglustjorans
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Souptik Chakraborty
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 * The result of the discussion was delete the first and last, no consensus on the second. Supervote alert! Based on previous RfDs for actors and filmmakers, I searched these names in Wikipedia to see if the individuals were associated with other notable projects. Chakraborty and Mirza are, so articles on them are possible, if not outright desirable. --BDD (talk) 17:04, 28 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Souptik Chakraborty → Jol Nupur (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Souptik_Chakraborty&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Lovely Maitra → Jol Nupur (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lovely_Maitra&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Fahim Mirza → Jol Nupur (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fahim_Mirza&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The target article does not contain any info about the said person except that his name is mentioned in the cast list... Aru@baska ❯❯❯ Vanguard 05:05, 4 December 2016 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep as . Si Trew (talk) 07:00, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:REDLINK and per WP:XY, considering that there is the possibility that this individually has performed in other works. Steel1943  (talk) 03:33, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

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 * I'm taking the unusual step of bundling these after relisting; the nomination statements, comments from Si Trew and Steel1943, and relister, were all the same. The low participation up until this point makes me think there's very little risk of a WP:TRAINWRECK here, though of course different outcomes may occur for each of these items. --BDD (talk) 18:33, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
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Joshua Fass
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 * The result of the discussion was keep. --BDD (talk) 16:56, 28 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Joshua Fass → Nefesh B'Nefesh (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Joshua_Fass&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
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Not mentioned at target article. Steel1943 (talk) 04:03, 4 December 2016 (UTC)


 * He mentioned as Yehoshua Fass.--Triggerhippie4 (talk) 09:14, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Do you have any references that this individual goes by "Joshua"? If not, this is essentially a made-up translation of the name that the subject uses. Steel1943  (talk) 03:24, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Here: Arutz Sheva, Yeshiva University --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 03:35, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

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 * Keep it seems plausible that someone would search for Fass. As of now, he is not notable although I can even see an article about him so certainly a redirect is warranted. 🔯 Sir Joseph <sup style="color:Green;">🍸 (talk) 20:55, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
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Very European
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. 's objection that it's not self promotion because he's not the wrestler targeted by the redirect in question would seem prima facie correct. Patar knight - chat/contributions 03:50, 24 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Very European → Cesaro (wrestler) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Very_European&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Misuse for selfpromotion. ZH8000 (talk) 10:46, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. A very vague search term that is used to describe all manner of things (including apparently Brexit, which surprised me). Thryduulf (talk) 11:04, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete -- too vague to be a valid search term. K.e.coffman (talk) 16:42, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Note user:Ranze, the creator of this redirect, has since been topic banned from redirects related to wresting, including participating at RfD, but wishes to respond to the nomination statement. Specifically, they state that they (Ranze) are "not the subject of this redirect", have "never been involved in any form of sports entertainment or employed by any of the companies that man has worked for." He thus asserts that the redirect is not self-promotion. . Thryduulf (talk) 16:58, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
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Swiss Powerhouse
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Swiss Superman
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Swiss Sensation
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Luis César Sánchez Domínguez
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 17:58, 27 December 2016 (UTC)


 * <span id="Luis César Sánchez Domínguez">Luis César Sánchez Domínguez → César Sánchez (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Luis_C%C3%A9sar_S%C3%A1nchez_Dom%C3%ADnguez&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Luis Cesar Sanchez Dominguez → César Sánchez (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Luis_Cesar_Sanchez_Dominguez&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * Not sure. His full name is listed simply as "César Sánchez Domínguez". Is this just wrong? Neither has any internal links, and combined page views for ninety days totals nine (of which eight are for the version without accents, an Eubot creation). I found these player stats at sofifa.com, but perhaps it's just wrong, in which case we could either tag as or delete it as WP:RFD confusing, not at target. Si Trew (talk) 09:48, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. --BDD (talk) 17:43, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

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 * Delete - no reliable sources confirm the name, and many say just 'Cesat Sanchez Dominguez'. GiantSnowman 14:40, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
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Republican debates
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Pauloftarsus
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John MCCaine
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. Patar knight - chat/contributions 03:51, 24 December 2016 (UTC)


 * John MCCaine → John McCain (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_MCCaine&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Too many typos and capitalization to be plausible. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 05:24, 17 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete – A junky redirect due the miscapitalizations and typos. <span style="border-bottom:2px dotted #00ff8b;font-family:'Trebuchet MS', Times, serif;">Senator2029 “Talk” 06:09, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete–implausible typo. –Grondemar 21:46, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete per R3. KGirlTrucker81huh? what I've been doing 16:19, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * No, it was not recently created. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 22:10, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
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Vine.com
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 * The result of the discussion was Speedy Delete per WP:CSD. –Grondemar 21:33, 17 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Vine.com → Amazon.com (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vine.com&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This website results in a 404, but Vine (service) is Vine.co, so confusing, delete. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 04:01, 17 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete as creator. There is an Amazon Vine accessed at vine.amazon.com. Not sure why I made that redirect though. Maybe vine.com was once working, or could have made a mistake. --  Green  C  04:15, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I have marked it for G7. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 04:18, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Vine.com was an online retailer operated by Quidsi, a company acquired by Amazon. However, Quidsi is currently a redirect to Diapers.com, so there may be no good target for the nominated redirect. The Diapers.com article does mention VineMarket.com, which was a later incarnation of the site. - Eureka Lott 18:07, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
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Template:Source
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Flying machine
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 * The result of the discussion was keep. -- Tavix ( talk ) 20:34, 26 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Flying machine → Aircraft (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Flying_machine&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Super vague search term, Flying machine (disambiguation) could be moved to this title, but not sure for there are various obscure topics with this term. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 00:37, 6 December 2016 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * I support the idea of making the disambiguation page's contents what we get for 'flying machine'. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 04:01, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep as WP:RPRIMARYTOPIC. The target already has a hatnote. All the eight entries at the DAB use "flying machine" in the sense "aircraft", with the possible exception of the two bands for which I suppose it could mean anything, so I don't see this being at all vague. Si Trew (talk) 04:55, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - seems relatively plausible; gets a large number of Google Books and Google Scholar hits. No preference on whether this should be an article, disambig, or redirect, but it should remain a blue link. Neutralitytalk 05:11, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment - Flying machine brings to mind Leonardo da Vinci and ornithopters for me. — Godsy (TALK<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;"> CONT ) 04:26, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

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 * Keep per Si Trew. Aircraft is the primary topic for this search term and there is already a hatnote to the disambig. Thryduulf (talk) 09:46, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
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Moldavien
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to Moldovan. -- Tavix ( talk ) 20:26, 26 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Moldavien → Moldovan language (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Moldavien&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

WP:RFOREIGN anyway, this is the name in Swedish for the country. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 01:16, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

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 * Keep helps in indexing and searching. Devopam (talk) 06:15, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:RFFL and explain why this helps, for one, it does not even go to the right target. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 06:46, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep per Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2014_June_7. —Kusma (t·c) 10:52, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * This is anyway misleading, disregarding the RFFL for this name isn't even a name for the language. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 20:13, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Retarget to the disambiguation page at Moldovan as a plausible misspelling of Moldavian, which is covered there. - Eureka Lott 16:52, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Moldovan; I think this is a plausible misspelling of "Moldavian." -- Notecardforfree (talk) 02:00, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

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 * Retarget to Moldovan. I agree with Eureka Lott and Notecardforfree that this is plausible misspelling of "Moldavian" so should point to the same page as that title. Thryduulf (talk) 09:48, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
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Barbara and Jenna Bush
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Encrypt urls
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk ) 20:14, 26 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Encrypt urls → URL redirection (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Encrypt_urls&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * URL encryption → URL redirection (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=URL_encryption&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Encryption and redirection are two different things, very different. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 03:39, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment. The first is a of 2008 for the second; I've tagged it thus (and as and ) without prejudice. Si Trew (talk) 04:57, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
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Stroem Vodka
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Guemrue
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 17:48, 27 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Guemrue → Gyumri (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Guemrue&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(Eubot) Delete. Not Germanic umlaut but a character in the Turkish alphabet. I've marked others such as and  as : it's given as "Gümrü" in the target. Si Trew (talk) 14:45, 4 December 2016 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. could reasonably be confused  DGG ( talk ) 21:11, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete no usage of these forms in sources, the Germanic umlaut is not used in Turkish. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 21:16, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

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 * Delete, was unable to provide attestation from reliable sources. -- Tavix ( talk ) 20:20, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
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Antinoues
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk ) 20:21, 26 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Antinoues → Antinous (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Antinoues&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Antinooes → Antinous (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Antinooes&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(Eubot) Delete. The redirects these are derived from, and  respectively, are not using Germanic umlauts but are transliterations of Ancient Greek. Si Trew (talk) 02:14, 4 December 2016 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. Could reasonably be confused.  DGG ( talk ) 21:14, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete not plausible misspelling. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 06:46, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

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 * Delete. This is ridiculous. The variant English spelling is Antinoös, where the diacritic indicates a double vowel, as it does in e.g. oölite and coöperation. It is totally different from German 'ö' = 'oe'. Narky Blert (talk) 01:06, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete both per Narky Blert as very implausible spellings; though Antinoues did get a strange hit spike in July. Sideways713 (talk) 17:16, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
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Municipality of Gaellivare
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 * The result of the discussion was Withdrawn. Nominamtor has changed opinion to "keep" while no opposing votes exist. (non-admin closure) Steel1943  (talk) 19:19, 17 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Municipality of Gaellivare → Gällivare Municipality (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Municipality_of_Gaellivare&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot) Delete. Not German, bork bork bork. Si Trew (talk) 02:12, 4 December 2016 (UTC) Struck after relisting Si Trew (talk) 04:30, 17 December 2016 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep as a plausible search term. It is not uncommon to remove umlats and place the an "e" after the letter instead. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 01:22, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

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 * It looks like we're OK with redirects on Swedish subjects that use Germanic umlaut. I'll withdraw this if you want. We seem to be veering towards consensus it's less OK for languages outside the Germanic family, and I've not yet had occasion to test consensus for others within (e.g. Danish, Norwegian). I'm quite happy to keep this one, and have stopped listing Swedish ones unless they have other problems. Si Trew (talk) 04:28, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
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Erik Marks von Wuertemberg
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus. -- Tavix ( talk ) 22:50, 25 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Erik Marks von Wuertemberg → Erik Marks von Würtemberg (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Erik_Marks_von_Wuertemberg&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot) *Delete. Can't find any English references to the name in this form on a gsearch. One possible reference in Brazilian Portuguese. Otherwise nothing. Two hits in ninety days, no internal links. Si Trew (talk) 01:39, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

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 * Keep as a plausible search term. It is not uncommon to remove umlats and place the an "e" after the letter instead. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 01:26, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

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Égalité
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus. --BDD (talk) 17:45, 27 December 2016 (UTC)


 * <span id="Égalité">Égalité → Liberté, égalité, fraternité (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%C3%89galit%C3%A9&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Egalite → Liberté, égalité, fraternité (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Egalite&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Retarget to Equality, or delete as WP:RFOREIGN per WP:RFD. Liberté is the national anthem of Guinea (and we have Liberté (disambiguation), but Fraternité is red. Si Trew (talk) 01:15, 4 December 2016 (UTC) Original nomination statement for "Égalité". --BDD (talk) 17:29, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

(eubot) Retarget to Equality, a DAB (which is not linked into FR:WP at all, and neither is the DAB at fr:égalité, so that seems an obvious IW tie-up I'll do now. Though it's still foreign... Si Trew (talk) 01:00, 4 December 2016 (UTC)  Original nomination statement for "Egalite". --BDD (talk) 17:29, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Oh, can't sensibly IW link to fr:égalité  because Equality has been linked to place-names DABs in de:Equality and others... Wikidata at its worst, because of an insistence on a 1:1 correspondence between Wikis.  Si Trew (talk) 01:08, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I've fixed the Wikidata so that Equality more properly links to fr:égalité, simple:Equality and so on, i.e. the more-general DAB than that which German has which lists just place-names (four places in the USA). It would be nice to IW link the German one, via a redirect, back to en:Equality, but I'm not sure that's possible – I've had it work for me before with a sneaky route where (I think) the placeholder is not a redirect at first, link the IW, then make it a redirect. Si Trew (talk) 07:48, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

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 * Retarget to Equality Party (Quebec) ("Égalité" in one of the native languages, French) -- 65.94.171.217 (talk) 05:57, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep as-is, because the target is a great overview of the use of the word in French (along with two other words, but that shouldn't matter). -- Tavix ( talk ) 01:55, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm bundling these nominations, which is unusual for an older discussion but seems to make sense here. The IP and Tavix made identical comments in both. --BDD (talk) 17:29, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

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 * Keep, most English users will be searching for this word's French associations. SteveStrummer (talk) 23:29, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * comment - in case anyone does not know, this is the equivalent for France of "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness". Not a translation but a historically similar precept. So there is definitely an independent meaning for the phrase. Elinruby (talk) 11:34, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
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Ernst Augustus of Hanover
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 * The result of the discussion was keep. -- Tavix ( talk ) 22:48, 25 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Ernst Augustus of Hanover → Ernest August (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ernst_Augustus_of_Hanover&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * F'rexample. A nice mix of German ("Ernst"), Latin ("Augustus") and English ("of Hanover"). Delete as WP:RFD. There seems to have been rather a lot of indecision on 17 May 2006 to where this should point: I imagine a manifestation of where the article should be sat. The editor on that day, User:Shilkanni, seems to have been inactive since 2011. Si Trew (talk) 00:28, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

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 * Hi. So I've been notified about this because I created the original redirect thirteen years ago.  My recollection - backed up by a search of Google Books - is that "Ernst Augustus", while perhaps odd form for the reason you identify, is in usage.  "Ernst" is sometimes just not Anglicised.  Morwen (talk) 21:24, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep Looks like multiple people at the target dab could be referred to this way. --BDD (talk) 17:25, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

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 * Keep per BDD. Thryduulf (talk) 09:59, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
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Guerol Guenduez Azer
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 17:44, 27 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Guerol Guenduez Azer → Gündüz Gürol Azer (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Guerol_Guenduez_Azer&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot) Delete. Not Germanic umlaut but Turkish "ü". WP:RFD nonsense. Stats 1 in 90 days, no internal links. Si Trew (talk) 00:08, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

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 * Keep as a plausible search term. It is not uncommon to remove umlats and place the an "e" after the letter instead. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 01:26, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

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 * Comment. The first and middle names are switched too. Is that a common treatment of Turkish names? Si Trew (talk) 10:31, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Turkish name does not mention that, but I wouldn't regard that article as definitive. Thryduulf (talk) 10:36, 17 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment. ü -> ue in transliterations from Turkish?. I call BS. Narky Blert (talk) 01:14, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. There's zero attestation for this, Google shows nothing but Wikipedia and mirrors. -- Tavix ( talk ) 22:47, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
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Premier president
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus, though I think anyone should feel free to disambiguate. --BDD (talk) 17:43, 27 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Premier president → Président à mortier (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Premier_president&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(Eubot) Not sure. Created off the back of, that one's fine, but in losing its accents this has become kinda English not French, and I'm not sure that someone searching for "Premier president" would expect an article on a legal post in the ancien régime. However, I am not sure at all they would expect anything... it comes to mind because of the Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2016_December_1, where two seemingly similar redirects are to Premiership of Fidel Castro and Presidency of Fidel Castro, so perhaps this would be rather blunderbuss search to find the distinction between a premier and a president? But hits are six in ninety days, well below noise level. Si Trew (talk) 23:35, 3 December 2016 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Retarget. I first read "Premier" here as meaning "first" or "best" (c.f. Premier League), so I would have expected something about a ranking of various presidents with one named the Premier President. However, when searching to see if something like that exists (afaict it doesn't) I found that "Premier President" is the former name of the Premier Padmini so I think this should be retargeted there and a hatnote to the current target added. Premier President does not currently exist, but should be created as a redirect to the car if my suggestion gains consensus. Thryduulf (talk) 09:32, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate. I think readers would be best served by being sent to a DAB page that explains both the political position in the Ancien Régime and the alternative name of the Premier Padmini, and we may also want to include links to premier and president (per WP:XY). FYI, the French Wikipedia has an article titled "Premier président du Parlement de Paris", so we could also potentially make this a red link to encourage article creation. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 01:00, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Steel1943  (talk) 03:12, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment I'm also happy with the suggestion to disambiguate. Thryduulf (talk) 10:00, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep as R to diacritics: target should match Premier président. Not opposed to disambiguation, however. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 13:28, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
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