Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 December 18

December 18
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on December 18, 2016.

Christmas feast

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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to Christmas dinner. --BDD (talk) 21:06, 3 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Christmas feast → Christmas (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christmas_feast&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Maybe retarget to Christmas dinner but note that dinner ≠ feast, Christmas food also redirects to List of Christmas dishes. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 23:34, 18 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Weak Retarget to Christmas dinner - As Feast day explains, "The word 'feast' in [relation to the calendar of saints] does not mean 'a large meal, typically a celebratory one', but instead 'an annual religious celebration, a day dedicated to a particular saint'." However, I looked through the results of an Ngram on "Christmas feast", which shows that an actual meal is being described the majority (I'd say probably 85%+) of the time when this term is used. That being said, it is described as a feast in the second sentence of Christmas, and a section there focuses on its introduction as a feast. Overall conclusion: I'd say Christmas is the primary topic, but real usage seems to disagree, hence the weak retarget. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 06:03, 19 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Retarget per . Pointing it to Christmas isn't that helpful as "Christmas (anything)" would redirect there. But a hatnote to "Feast day" could be considered if people are looking for that event. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:32, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't think a hatnote to Calendar of saints (where feast day redirects) would be appropriate, because Christmas is only one of a great many feast days, and "Christmas feast" only refers to Christmas. A hatnote to Christmas itself could be considered, but I don't think that it is necessary. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 00:21, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. As Christmas is a Christian holiday, I feel it best to defer to the Christian definition. Christmas is defined as a feast in the lede, so there's nothing wrong about the redirect. I'd much rather redirects be too broad than too narrow, as I'm afraid Christmas dinner would be. Besides, the article does mention dinners to a certain extent. -- Tavix ( talk ) 18:08, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Retarget to "Christmas dinner". redirects to the same target. George Ho (talk) 02:51, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
 * I also support a retarget change, particularly given what we already do with 'Christmas meal' (as pointed out above). CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 11:14, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Christmas dinner per the above. "Meal" might not be the primary meaning of feast, but it's the one that's more natural in this phrase – Christmas is unambiguously a feast, and adding the disambiguator feast is only tautological. If a user wants to find about Christmas, Christmas is what they'll be typing anyway. Also, it's much easier to get to Christmas from Christmas dinner than the other way round. – Uanfala (talk) 14:03, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
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Ἀνάλυσις
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China Television System

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 * The result of the discussion was keep. -- Tavix ( talk ) 18:09, 30 December 2016 (UTC)


 * China Television System → Chinese Television System (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=China_Television_System&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

WP:XY does this refer to Chinese Television System or China Television? -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 05:32, 9 December 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. It seems very unlikely that someone looking for China Television would include the word "System" in their searches, while confusing "Chinese Television System" and "China Television System" is very plausible. Thryduulf (talk) 13:46, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Tavix ( talk ) 22:13, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - I think that I agree, and I'd rather just leave things as is. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 09:59, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
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Dipangkorn Rasmijoti, Crown Prince of Thailand

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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus between deletion due to it being incorrect and keeping it because it's a plausible enough error. -- Tavix ( talk ) 17:54, 30 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Dipangkorn Rasmijoti, Crown Prince of Thailand → Dipangkorn Rasmijoti (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dipangkorn_Rasmijoti,_Crown_Prince_of_Thailand&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Misleading and technically incorrect, as the subject of the target article does not hold the title of Crown Prince. Recently created, unlikely search term. Suggest deletion. Paul_012 (talk) 14:04, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: relisting with the other Thai discussion
 * Leaning keep. I think he is - see Crown Prince of Thailand. The prince's father has just been made king so it would be an unusual break from tradition for the little prince not to become Crown Prince. Deryck C. 14:30, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
 * He probably will be named Crown Prince in the future, but that is speculation and violates WP:CRYSTAL. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:46, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
 * What matters for a redirect is not whether the term is correct, but whether people will use it to find the target. In this case people will use it to try and find the subject, and the article will educate people that he is not a crown prince (yet). A redlink will not educate people about their mistake. Thryduulf (talk) 18:30, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I didn't think people would be typing in the whole phrase if they already knew the prince's name, and was worried that the existence of the redirect might encourage people to incorrectly link to the inaccurate title. I've now tagged the page as r from misnomer. --Paul_012 (talk) 05:47, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
 * The creator of the redirect left this note on my talk page. I guess they're saying that they support deletion. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:46, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep Common enough error, with the assumption that the title of crown prince passes automatically. In fact, there aren't any other Thai princes right now. --BDD (talk) 21:06, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

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Thai crown prince

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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to Crown Prince of Thailand and Next king of Thailand to Chakri dynasty. -- Tavix  ( talk ) 17:50, 30 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Thai crown prince → Vajiralongkorn (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Thai_crown_prince&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Next king of Thailand → Vajiralongkorn (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Next_king_of_Thailand&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I'm bundling these, but we may decide on different outcomes for them. As far as I can tell, Thailand has no crown prince at the moment. 11-year-old Dipangkorn Rasmijoti is the only Thai prince now, but his father (now the king) wasn't named crown prince until the age of 20. And if "Next king of Thailand" can apply to anyone, it's probably the young prince, those his article is inconsistent as to whether he's truly in the line of succession, and I understand Thai law is not very clear on the matter either. Still, based on Chakri dynasty, he's the only male in any sort of position to be the next king. So I think each of these redirects should be deleted or retargeted to Dipangkorn Rasmijoti, and would not object to different outcomes for the two. --BDD (talk) 21:09, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * On second thought, retargets Monarchy of Thailand and Chakri Dynasty should be in the cards as well. It still may make sense to delete one and retarget the other, but they probably shouldn't have different targets, right? A crown prince is the next king by definition. --BDD (talk) 21:13, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Retarget Next king of Thailand to Chakri dynasty as that's the only place I've found that actually gives a succinct answer to who the next king is likely to be. I've added a see also at the top of that section to 1924 Palace Law of Succession (where Line of succession to the Thai throne redirects), which is the article about the law that (sort of?) governs succession. The law article though is not very clearly written and I think I understand things less than before I read it, so I would not recommend it as the target of either redirect here.
 * Retarget Thai crown prince to Dipangkorn Rasmijoti, as his article explains his actual titles and status as heir presumptive. Thryduulf (talk) 23:03, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Um, you guys realise there is a Crown Prince of Thailand article, right? I would've thought that to be the obvious target. --Paul_012 (talk) 13:58, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Nope, sure didn't! Not sure how I missed it, though. So I think "Thai crown prince" is a no-brainer retarget there. There's probably an argument to be made for retargeting the other there too. --BDD (talk) 15:05, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Boldly retarget per AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 20:21, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: I presume there's consensus to retarget Thai crown prince to Crown Prince of Thailand, but I'm unsure if there's consensus for Next king of Thailand
 * Retarget Thai crown prince to Crown Prince of Thailand per Paul_012. I strongly oppose retargeting that to Dipangkorn Rasmijoti because it places an undue maintenance burden on the community that may or may not be adequately fulfilled. I would prefer Next king of Thailand be deleted ( along the lines of WP:NOTCRYSTAL ), but a retarget to Crown Prince of Thailand would suffice. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 07:46, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

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 * Retarget Next king of Thailand to Chakri dynasty. This gives everyone the information they're looking for and isn't too WP:CRYSTALly. Also I agree iwth retargetting Thai crown prince to Crown Prince of Thailand. Daß &thinsp; Wölf</b> 23:07, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Retarget per, seems to be the most reasonable option. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 05:24, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
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Paint chips
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Chance Shotdab not needed
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy deleted, WP:G6, by . -- Tavix ( talk ) 06:37, 19 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Chance Shotdab not needed → Chance Shot (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chance_Shotdab_not_needed&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete. This title was created as a mistake. The article was only at this title for one minute. Gorobay (talk) 18:48, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete not at all a plausible search term or typo. TonyBallioni (talk) 18:51, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I've nominated it for WP:CSD. <b style="color:#da0000;">Daß</b> &thinsp; <b style="color:#0044c3;">Wölf</b> 23:11, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
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Czernobyl
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Cherenobl
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 22:01, 25 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Cherenobl → Chernobyl disaster (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cherenobl&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Gsearch only gives me 4 results on a general search, all of which are to different terms ("chere nobi", "chere.mobi" and "Chère Nobi") so I think this is WP:RFD nonsense, very unlikely search term. Si Trew (talk) 18:07, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete does not seem likely for a typo. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 23:26, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete I agree about the unlikely typo with the e in the middle. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:28, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
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Bridge of Death
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate. (non-admin closure) – Uanfala (talk) 10:38, 3 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Bridge of Death → Chernobyl disaster (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bridge_of_Death&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Rather vague, I should say, so probably WP:RFD per WP:XY, Could be Chinvat Bridge or lots of other things. Delete. Si Trew (talk) 17:57, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate. A glance at the page history and a quick search for reveals a quite a few candidates, including a rather famous movie scene. - Eureka Lott 18:21, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate per Eureka Lott. Thryduulf (talk) 19:09, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Dab as above. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:39, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: I started a draft of a disambiguation page below the redirect. It probably could use some cleanup. I didn't include the bridge in Ukraine (former article at Bridge of Death (Prypiat)) because I wasn't sure where to point it. The bridge is mentioned in a couple articles, but not at Pripyat, Chernobyl disaster, or Chernobyl Exclusion Zone. - Eureka Lott 18:28, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I also support going to a disambiguation page. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 04:22, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
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Tjernobyl
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 22:02, 25 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Tjernobyl → Chernobyl disaster (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tjernobyl&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:RFD, no particular affinity to Swedish. Si Trew (talk) 17:54, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. <b style="color:#da0000;">Daß</b> &thinsp; <b style="color:#0044c3;">Wölf</b> 23:13, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:39, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
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Pyhaeranta
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 22:04, 25 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Pyhaeranta → Pyhäranta (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pyhaeranta&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot) Delete. Not Germanic but Finnish, WP:RFD. Si Trew (talk) 17:44, 18 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. <b style="color:#da0000;">Daß</b> &thinsp; <b style="color:#0044c3;">Wölf</b> 23:13, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
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Thotful Spot
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk ) 17:46, 30 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Thotful Spot → Winnie-the-Pooh (book) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Thotful_Spot&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Pooh's Thotful Spot → Winnie-the-Pooh (book) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pooh's_Thotful_Spot&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unused, minor element of book, not used in article, no potential/plausible use czar  17:41, 18 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete not a recurring catchphrase for the series. Reconsider if a video or a book uses it extensively like it has a notable recurring section like a "Pooh's Diary" or a recurring locale like Fortress of Solitude. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:40, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
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Tšernobyl
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 * The result of the discussion was delete all. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 22:06, 25 December 2016 (UTC)


 * <span id="Tšernobyl">Tšernobyl → Chernobyl disaster (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=T%C5%A1ernobyl&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Tsernobyl → Chernobyl disaster (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tsernobyl&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]  (eubot)
 * Tsjernobyl → Chernobyl disaster (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tsjernobyl&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Tschernobyl → Chernobyl disaster (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tschernobyl&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Tchernobyl → Chernobyl disaster (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tchernobyl&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete all as WP:RFD per WP:RFFL, no particular affinity to Finnish. If kept, we should probably retarget either to Chernobyl (disambiguation) or straight to Chernobyl, but this spelling is used in neither. Si Trew (talk) 17:26, 18 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete all per nom. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:30, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
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Suomusjaervi
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk ) 17:43, 30 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Suomusjaervi → Suomusjärvi (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Suomusjaervi&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]  (eubot)

(eubot) 'Delete, WP:RFD, not a Germanic umlaut, but a letter in the Finnish alphabet. Si Trew (talk) 17:12, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
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Timothee Franchere
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 * The result of the discussion was Keep (non-admin closure) -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 04:12, 25 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Timothee Franchere → Timothée Franchère (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Timothee_Franchere&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot) Delete per WP:RFD. I think it extremely unlikely we would anglicise the name this way. Si Trew (talk) 17:09, 18 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep Diacritics removed version. Unless this redirect is coming from an uncommon letter like the cryillic A thing? <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 01:46, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep per AngusWOOF. Only Latin letters in this redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 09:42, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
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Marchen
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate, although I've done it at Märchen instead of Marchen since most entries use the umlaut. -- Tavix ( talk ) 17:31, 30 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Marchen → Marchen (Unicode block) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Marchen&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I'm not sure whether this should retarget Fairy tale, to which  redirects and at which the term with the "ä" is extensively mentioned, or to be kept here, or the target to be moved over, or for this to be turned into a DAB. There's no hatnote at the existing target, though of coruse that is easily fixed. (I mention it because relying on hit counts is useless when we don't know where readers expected to end up). The only link is from List of Hell Teacher Nūbē chapters as a chapter (202) called "Marchen Miki-chan"" which I imagine is more likely to mean the fairy-tale than then Unicode block, but is probably just best unlinked: the creator User:Nihonjoe might shine a light on the Japanese meaning. Si Trew (talk) 17:05, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Zhang-Zhung language, which is where redirects to. The link from List of Hell Teacher Nūbē chapters refers to the Japanese word メルヘン (‘fairy tale’), derived from the German Märchen also meaning ‘fairy tale’. It is a common noun and doesn’t need to be linked there. Gorobay (talk) 19:01, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Change to disambiguation page and move Märchen (disambiguation) to it. Entries should include everything on Märchen (disambiguation), as well as the pointing to Zhang-Zhung language, Marchen Maersk, Marchen (Unicode block), The Green Snake and the Beautiful Lily (due to the German name "Märchen" or "Das Märchen"), and Grimms' Fairy Tales (due to the German title "Grimms Märchen"). ··· 日本穣  ·  投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 19:52, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate - Looks unclear obviously. George Ho (talk) 08:25, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
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Tevfik Ruestue Aras
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 22:09, 29 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Tevfik Ruestue Aras → Tevfik Rüştü Aras (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tevfik_Ruestue_Aras&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot) Delete per WP:RFD, another title in the Turkish alphabet that has been Germanic umlauted. Si Trew (talk) 16:45, 18 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. <b style="color:#da0000;">Daß</b> &thinsp; <b style="color:#0044c3;">Wölf</b> 23:14, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
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Göteborg's Högre Samskola
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 21:32, 29 December 2016 (UTC)


 * <span id="Göteborg's Högre Samskola">Göteborg's Högre Samskola → Göteborgs Högre Samskola (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=G%C3%B6teborg%27s_H%C3%B6gre_Samskola&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Goteborg's Hogre Samskola → Göteborgs Högre Samskola (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Goteborg%27s_Hogre_Samskola&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]  (eubot)

Delete both, incorrect. Seems like an unlikely search term as there are stats at 5 between them in 90 days, and no internal links. Si Trew (talk) 15:34, 18 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete, seems to be a mixing of Swedish words and English grammar. Swedish genitive does not use an apostrophe. <b style="color:#da0000;">Daß</b> &thinsp; <b style="color:#0044c3;">Wölf</b> 23:15, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
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Espana Avenue
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to the new dab at Avenida España. --BDD (talk) 20:58, 29 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Espana Avenue → España Boulevard (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Espana_Avenue&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]  (eubot)

I've done an WP:RM for to be moved over, as I can't do it myself for some reason (it hasn't any history after creation and is not protected, but for some reason I can't do it.) Assuming that is done, this should be redirected to the same place. España Boulevard makes no mention of any España Avenue, and I couldn't find any mention in sources, so even an would seem unlikely: the best solution is to move the article over the redirect and hatnote the two, of course. (In the UK, the "Crescent", "Avenue", "Road", "Street" etc. is an important part of the name of the highway: if you were directed to "Park Road" you would assume you were in the wrong place if you found yourself in "Park Street", but in the US I think less so, swhere you're directed to "go to Park and Main", so it's a reasonable confusion.) Sorry to use RfD as a memo pad but I'm inclined to forget these things, and this way I can link back from the RM etc. Si Trew (talk) 15:21, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
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Potika
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Wali al-'asr
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 20:57, 29 December 2016 (UTC)


 * <span id="Walī al-‘aṣr">Walī al-‘aṣr → Mahdi (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wal%C4%AB_al-%E2%80%98a%E1%B9%A3r&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Wali al-'Asr → Mahdi (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wali_al-%27Asr&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Wali al-'asr → Mahdi (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wali_al-%27asr&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]  (Eubot)


 * Delete all, WP:RFD confusing, not at target: WP:REDLINK to encourage the creation of the article.It appears that an alternative transliteration is (with various diactitics) but we don't have anything like that either. Si Trew (talk) 13:37, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
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LGV Est europeenne
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 20:56, 29 December 2016 (UTC)


 * LGV Est europeenne → LGV Est (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=LGV_Est_europeenne&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot) Weak delete as nonsense, no English-speaking person will search or link this way when "LGV Est" will be suggested first, by WP's or any other search engine. Back-formed from, 0 hits in 90 days, no internal links. I'm not that fussed about it but without the acute accent it makes it a little bit WP:RFD nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 13:25, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
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Appliance Repairs Near Me
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 * The result of the discussion was Deleted by User:Tone. (non-admin closure) Si Trew (talk) 02:16, 24 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Appliance Repairs Near Me → Home appliance (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Appliance_Repairs_Near_Me&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Implausible search phrase. - MrX 12:28, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete, WP:RFD confusing, the target does not tell me anything about appliance repairs near me. WP:NOTDIRECTORY too. Si Trew (talk) 13:46, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete because I love the rationale "the target does not tell me anything about appliance repairs near me". Mihirpmehta (talk) 21:04, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Laundry Service Delete per Si Trew. Thryduulf (talk) 22:05, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete WP:NOT directory or advertising. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 23:28, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Technically, this redirect is neither a directory nor advertising, and the present target is also neither of those things. If you mean that any actual list of appliance repairers near where the searcher happened to be would breach those policies/guidelines, then argue that that will almost certainly be the case. Thryduulf (talk) 08:29, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:45, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete because Si Trew's comment makes so much sense that I almost laughed. Steel1943  (talk) 19:34, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
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Islamic Republic of North Sudan
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 20:54, 29 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Islamic Republic of North Sudan → Sudan (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Islamic_Republic_of_North_Sudan&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Completely WP:OR, immensely unlikely search term. CMD (talk) 07:46, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. We also have to the same target, although its full name is just the . While undoubtedly an Islamic state, and sometimes useful to differentiate "North" Sudan from South Sudan, this would be like calling the Democratic Republic of Germany the Christian Democratic Republic of East Germany, i.e. rather too many qualifiers to make it sensible. So I think delete as WP:RFD confusing, not at target: a phrase as specific as this needs to be backed up by some WP:V evidence.
 * I can't find uses of this in sources, but for the second, there are a couple of articles (I think one a reprint of the other) titled "The Islamic Republic of Sudan?" (such as here http://foreignpolicy.com/2010/06/10/the-islamic-republic-of-sudan-2/) but one is and the other http://sudaneseonline.org/cs/blogs/articles/archive/2010/08/17/the-islamic-republic-of-sudan.aspx I think is a (published, RS) opinion piece on the original article. I'd probably get rid of  as well, but there's a much weaker case for that. Si Trew (talk) 14:08, 18 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete as completely unlikely term. --T*U (talk) 16:45, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:46, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete not useful --Jay (talk) 11:57, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:NE
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 * The result of the discussion was disambiguate. --BDD (talk) 20:07, 29 December 2016 (UTC)


 * NE → Wikipedia:WikiProject Northern Emirates (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:NE&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This page must retarget to Notability (events). Changed my mind: must be disabiguated per Eureka Lott. The redirect page is linked less by low amount of pages, and its current target is tagged as "inactive". I can change the link to "Wikipedia:WikiProject Northern Emirates" and pipe it as "WP:NE"... Or I can change link to "Wikipedia:Notability (events)" if any of pages refers to it. George Ho (talk) 07:31, 18 December 2016 (UTC); edited. 19:25, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry, George Ho, I couldn't understand what you meant by changing the links at first. You mean, just make sure that current links point to the right place, if we retarget it? OK, I'm neutral on this, historical versions of the pages will still point to the wrong place, but that's true of anything and we can always add a hatnote to the new target. Si Trew (talk) 13:50, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's what I mean. Did the editors mention Notability (events) or something else? George Ho (talk) 13:52, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Actually, I meant either re-link to the current target or "Notability (events)", whatever an editor meant. George Ho (talk) 14:12, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Ping Si. George Ho (talk) 02:53, 23 December 2016 (UTC)


 * My initial expectation was that WP:NE would point to WikiProject Nebraska, not either of the targets mentioned above. Perhaps it should become a disambiguation page, similar to WP:UT. - Eureka Lott 17:28, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate per EurekaLott. Steel1943  (talk) 19:19, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Retarget to WP:WikiProject Nebraska and hatnote to Notability (events) and anything else relevant. Nebraska is the thing most commonly abbreviated as NE in English due to its use as a postal abbreviation besides "NorthEast" (I checked Canada and Australia, they don't use NE; I couldn't find anything in relation to the United Kingdom, but I'm open to reconsidering if this conflicts with something of this nature there ). Notability (events) is served well by WP:NEVENT and other shortcuts the follow the expected pattern for notability guidelines (e.g. WP:NMUSIC). WikiProject Northern Emirates  is more obscure, and this shortcut has been sparsely used, with only being linked on 18 pages. We have to remember that project shortcuts are treated differently than redirects in the mainspace. For example, WP:F is highly ambiguous, yet it targets Non-free content. There are several WikiProjects with Northeast in the name, but they are all well served by "WP:NEX" shortcuts (same for relative places like e.g. "the northeast" meaning the Northeastern United States). A disambiguation page could be created at WP:Northeast for "Northeast X" WikiProjects, and that could be linked in the hatnote at WP:WikiProject Nebraska. —  Godsy (TALK<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;"> CONT ) 16:01, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Upon further thought and research: New England comes to mind as well, but there doesn't seem to be a WikiProject called that. That same appears to be true for the NE postcode area in regard to Britain. — Godsy (TALK<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;"> CONT ) 16:56, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
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Scott Disick
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Pehlivankoey
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 20:02, 29 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Pehlivankoey → Pehlivanköy (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pehlivankoey&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot) @Delete, WP:RFD Not Germanic umlaut: Turkish. Si Trew (talk) 02:24, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
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César-Guillaume de La Luzerne
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 * The result of the discussion was keep. -- Tavix ( talk ) 18:11, 30 December 2016 (UTC)


 * <span id="César-Guillaume de La Luzerne">César-Guillaume de La Luzerne → César Guillaume de La Luzerne (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=C%C3%A9sar-Guillaume_de_La_Luzerne&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]  (User:Charles Matthews, 1 April 2007)
 * <span id="César Guillaume de la Luzerne">César Guillaume de la Luzerne → César Guillaume de La Luzerne (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=C%C3%A9sar_Guillaume_de_la_Luzerne&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]  (User:BOTijo 30 Nov 2007)
 * <span id="César-Guillaume La Luzerne">César-Guillaume La Luzerne → César Guillaume de La Luzerne (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=C%C3%A9sar-Guillaume_La_Luzerne&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]  (User:Charles Matthews 1 April 2007)
 * Cesar Guillaume de La Luzerne → César Guillaume de La Luzerne (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cesar_Guillaume_de_La_Luzerne&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]  (eubot)
 * Cesar-Guillaume de La Luzerne → César Guillaume de La Luzerne (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cesar-Guillaume_de_La_Luzerne&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]  (eubot)
 * Cesar-Guillaume La Luzerne → César Guillaume de La Luzerne (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cesar-Guillaume_La_Luzerne&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]  (eubot)
 * Cesar Guillaume de la Luzerne → César Guillaume de La Luzerne (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cesar_Guillaume_de_la_Luzerne&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]  (eubot)

Another exercise in combinatorics. Which of these are at all useful to readers? The old ones, the eubot ones, the new ones, the ones that any decent search engine will find anyway? INone is individually harmful, but it just seems WP:COSTLY to have to maintain every possible variant of a noble's name. Delete the eubot ones, for a start. Si Trew (talk) 02:05, 18 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep. Some points here: (a) deleting redirects does not save resources – you cite an essay which is probably not generally accepted, and the examples here do not match any given there; (b) I think it is particularly fallacious to say as that essay does that "Wikipedia has a very good search facility" (the current version struggles over commas); (c) I think it is fallacious in general to argue from discovery methods, because we have no way of knowing what methods people may use; and (d) aliases for people, especially those with titles, are very useful, as experience on Wikidata shows. You could just leave such things alone, actually. Charles Matthews (talk) 20:42, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * (a) I wasn't arguing about saving computer resources; the essay is not policy but plenty of people cite essays as a shorthand rather than repeat the arguments presented therein, (b) I didn't say Wikipedia's search engine was very good, I said it was "decent", and in particular it ignores hyphens and diacritics when searching unless titles differ only by those, (c) It doesn't matter how people "discovered" the redirect but we we have a statistics tool that tells us how often it is actually used and (d) these aren't aliases for people,, they are minute variations on the same name. Si Trew (talk) 23:56, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Well then, I'd be interested under (a) to see a reference to an actual cost-benefit analysis of deleting redirects (including the overheads of debate). And under under (d) "alias" qua "also known as" is the correct term as seen on Wikidata. You state that the current search engine here ignores diacritics. Not all search engines do so: and the engine here onsite has been changed, in recent memory. I would particularly object to the removal of redirects that simplify by taking off diacritics. In my view it benefits the project to have those around. Calling them "minute" variations is just rhetoric: they can make or break links. You noticed that the top one is twice linked to? And members of the nobility do just have a large stock of name variants. Charles Matthews (talk) 06:24, 19 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep It would be different if his family name was de la Luzerne, but given that his title is "La Luzerne" with capital L for both of these makes these plausible searches. Same with the hyphen. Note the Wikipedia article itself uses La Luzerne and Cardinal La Luzerne (both capital L's) as the person's name throughout.  <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 02:28, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
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Istvan Tuerr
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 20:01, 29 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Istvan Tuerr → István Türr (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Istvan_Tuerr&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot) *sigh*. The English name for this person, as used in the source in the article, is "" (RS: NYT 1906 at foot of article). I've marked others as, and so on. The "ü" is a letter in the Hungarian alphabet, dear Eubot, not a Germanic umlaut. Si Trew (talk) 01:38, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
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Raphael’s Room
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Bitchuu Kojiro Station
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Kaurismaeki
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 20:00, 29 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Kaurismaeki → Kaurismäki (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kaurismaeki&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot) WP:RFD Delete, "Kaurismäki" may be a Finnish surname, as the target surname dab says, but "Kaurismaeki" isn't unless Finland starts restoring the EU trade balance by importing surplus Germanic umlauts. Si Trew (talk) 00:08, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
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Parcs Quebec
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 * The result of the discussion was Withdrawn (as keep) by me. (non-admin closure) Si Trew (talk) 12:12, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

(eubot) User:Ivanvector is perhaps the chap to ask here. I would say you can't have this without the diacritic (this is back-formed from the R at ). because the whole point of Canadian bilingualism is that you do it in French and in English, not in some kind of franglais. We haven't Quebec Parks or Quebec Parcs. Si Trew (talk) 00:03, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
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 * Keep - While this is a mistake, it's a relatively plausible mistake that has been made even in garden-variety print publications. See here for an example. I feel like keeping this. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 01:57, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
 * All right, it was a bit iffy: need to test the waters on these Canadian French ones. Withdrawn. Si Trew (talk) 12:12, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
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