Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 December 20

December 20
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on December 20, 2016.

I'm with her

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 * The result of the discussion was  no consensus, default to keep.   The general feeling of this discussion is that the election is too recent for us to decide on the primary topic (or lack of) for this title. Maybe we can revisit this in a year's time and there will be a consensus.   Deryck C. 17:56, 5 January 2017 (UTC)


 * I'm with her → Hillary Clinton presidential campaign, 2016 (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=I%27m_with_her&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

We have I'm with Her perhaps retarget, but if kept, a hatnote would be better. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 08:41, 11 December 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep and add hatnotes to both articles. A very, very recognisable and notable slogan from her campaign. Thryduulf (talk) 10:08, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - The slogan is heavily identified with the campaign. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 20:07, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete and add a hatnote to I'm with Her - which I did a moment ago. Mihirpmehta (talk) 23:06, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Retarget to sitcom or delete. Given that both the sitcom title and the slogan are in Title Case, it would make sense for both variants to point to the same page. Maybe the right thing to do would be to request a move of the sitcom page to I'm with Her (TV series), but I would probably oppose that. Looking at the |I%27m_with_Her stats, likely a significant amount of people are searching for the slogan right now. However, that's to be expected considering the elections are in very recent memory, and to claim if that will continue would be to guess. Daß &thinsp; Wölf 02:32, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

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 * Delete so that the sitcom is the primary topic, and leave the hatnote pointing to the campaign article. –Grondemar 02:45, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep as-is. The Hillary Clinton campaign is the primary topic for the lowercase, and there's a hatnote at I'm With Her. -- Tavix ( talk ) 02:50, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose Deletion - This should target Hillary Clinton presidential campaign, 2016 (if deemed the primary topic which it seems to be from a cursory investigation I just did) or I'm with Her (as an R from alternative capitalization). — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 02:55, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Create dab page and dabs. Besides the sitcom, there's a song by Le Tigre in support of Clinton, and a folk singer trio band. The singers themselves have pages, but the band doesn't, suggesting it's a brief grouping for touring purposes. Create (slogan), (TV series), and (song). AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 15:03, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I've got no objection to creating the disambiguation or those redirects but the presidential campaign slogan remains the primary topic for this term. Thryduulf (talk) 15:26, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
 * That'd be fine, but it will need a "redirects here" hatnote with "other uses" pointing to the dab. It would be like Cold Case (disambiguation). AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 15:50, 21 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Redirect to song. Perhaps the campaign is the primary topic now, but is unlikely to be even next month.  — Arthur Rubin  (talk) 02:21, 27 December 2016 (UTC)


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Heun Sang

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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus. -- Tavix ( talk ) 19:20, 3 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Heun Sang → Xuanzang (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Heun_Sang&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not a valid name, could find absolutely no usage in sources. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 08:39, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Heun Tsang is an alternate spelling for Xuanzang and quite often used in India. Given Heun Tsang is phonetically same as Heun Sang, thus this redirect. IndianGeneralist 13:37, 12 December 2016 (UTC).

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Next king of the United Kingdom
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Laszlo lovasz

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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus. -- Tavix ( talk ) 17:31, 3 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Laszlo lovasz → László Lovász (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Laszlo_lovasz&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(Eubot) Delete. We already have, which I've rcatted as ; there's no need to compound the felony by changing the spelling of his name too. Si Trew (talk) 04:30, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. Unless I'm missing something this is just +, which seems a rather helpful redirect and not really problematic at all. What harm is this doing? Thryduulf (talk) 10:20, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * it's an . How many incorrect things do we need before it becomes nonsense? Si Trew (talk) 13:47, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * It's no more an incorrect spelling than any other that differs only in the omission of diacritics, so is not relevant here. How many incorrect things make nonsense depends entirely on how they are incorrect and the plausibility of the differences - and as with every redirect it is up to the person wanting to change the status quo to demonstrate that the change is beneficial to the encyclopaedia. In this instance all lower case without diacritics makes a very plausible search term, meaning deletion would make it harder for readers to find the topic they are looking for and so keeping brings the greatest benefit to the project. Thryduulf (talk) 14:27, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Deleting the redirect would not, for any practical purpose, make it harder for a reader to find the article, however they decided to search. Since it's now quite hard to do an "exact terms" search (even Google with the "verbatim" option selected does not actually believe you and only return verbatim results). All its presence does is burden editors with the task of keeping them synchronised, and adds an opportunity for mistaken (accidental) linking that would be reduced were the redirect not to exist in. Si Trew (talk) 10:47, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

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Čapek

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 * The result of the discussion was  move Čapek (surname) to Čapek and retarget the other two there.    This closure is a bit nuanced. I read from below that we basically need to decide on two questions:

First, is Karel sufficiently strong a primary topic to have the surname titles redirect to him? Comments below based on Google hits make a strong case on one hand but conformity with other Wikipedias, especially those of Slavic languages, make a strong case on another. The argument about pageviews depends on how you look at the data and doesn't go strongly either way. On the whole, we seem to be heading towards a rough consensus towards not making Karel the primary topic.

The second question is, then, what is the best disambiguation solution? From the comments later on in this discussion, retitling the existing disambiguation page to the base title seems to be the best solution as it achieves disambiguation of all topics named "Čapek" and conformity with other Wikipedias. Deryck C. 18:13, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Čapek → Karel Čapek (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%C4%8Capek&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Chapek → Karel Čapek (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chapek&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Capek → Karel Čapek (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Capek&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Perhaps Karel is primary, but we have more than one Čapek: At the very least, his brother Josef Čapek. Both are venerable articles (Karel created on 9 March 2002 and Josef on 12 July 2003).

We have Čapek (surname) (which is hatnoted in Karel Čapek) and it might be better to retarget there (or what would likely result from that, move it over the redirect at Čapek). The first is marked as. Si Trew (talk) 03:47, 11 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep. It seems clear to me from Google that Karel is the primary topic. Si, I hope you haven't forgotten about WP:BEFORE? Thryduulf (talk) 10:23, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * No, but what applies to Čapek may or may not apply to Chapek and Capek. Another one of these kinds of redirects that you've started the discussion with at WT:RFD. Since his surname is not Chapek or Capek, there's less of a case for those two being directed there. Si Trew (talk) 06:02, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
 * The Google results tell me that Karel is also the primary topic for "Capek" and the secondmost common for "Chapek" - the first being Walt Disney executive Bob Chapek who we don't have an article about (and at first glance he probably isn't notable enough for an article), so I maintain my reccomendation. As for synchronisation, I have not proposed that these three redirects should always point to the same place, nor do I think they should as while they should all target Karel Čapek at the moment that might change in future (e.g. if Bob Chapek does get an article). I'm unable to work out what gave you any impression otherwise? Thryduulf (talk) 08:35, 15 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete. Čapek should not go to one particular one when we have Čapek (surname). Typing in without the mark is what most will do and is already covered by the redirect Capek (surname). The single word redirect gives it primacy over the fully functional one. There is some argument for redirecting Chapek to Čapek (surname). Chemical Engineer (talk) 17:48, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Your reasoning supports an argument to retarget these to Čapek (surname) (or rather it would support that argument if there weren't a primary topic), but doesn't support deletion (whether there is a primary topic or not). Thryduulf (talk) 21:44, 11 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep. As seen |Karel_%C4%8Capek|%C4%8Capek|Capek here, Karel by far eclipses in popularity all the other relevant pages. Further, Capek and Čapek together have more than twice the amount of hits of Čapek (surname). This means that out of all people searching for C/Čapek and not clicking Karel Čapek in the drop down menu, the majority still doesn't proceed further than Karel Čapek's page. I think that's enough to establish Karel Čapek as the primary topic. Daß</b> &thinsp; <b style="color:#0044c3;">Wölf</b> 01:58, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * No, that's putting the cart before the horse. We can't make assumptions on whether, when a redirect takes someone somewhere, that's where they wanted to go. They may have just given up, or searched a different way, when they go to Karel. It doesn't mean that Karel is the primary topic for Capek or Chapek: that's not his surname. Si Trew (talk) 06:02, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
 * What about all the people who purposely land on Karel and then click the hatnote out of curiosity? There is no clear way about this with the data we have, but I think it's likely that people are getting where they want to go most of the time here. <b style="color:#da0000;">Daß</b> &thinsp; <b style="color:#0044c3;">Wölf</b> 01:00, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

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 * Delete. At the moment this redirect takes priority. If it were deleted, then typing in Capek gets you a choice of Capek's Tales, Capekiller and Capek (surname) which seems to me to be an adequate list, leading rapidly to a choice of Čapeks if you select the surname. Chemical Engineer (talk) 10:48, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm striking your second !vote. – Uanfala (talk) 12:51, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep because Karel is the primary topic. -- Tavix ( talk ) 18:30, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

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 * redirect to Čapek (surname). The playwright may be most commonly searched for but it makes more sense to point to a relatively common surname. Mangoe (talk) 18:28, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Dabify to include at least The brothers Čapek, Čapek (surname) and 1931 Čapek. That was all I could find by running a Google for . Also, it is better to move the surname article to this title than to retarget it there. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 23:53, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I added the newly created Brothers Čapek to Čapek (surname) see also, and linked to that orphan from each of the brothers' bios. wbm1058 (talk) 00:46, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
 * We seem to be the outlier in assigning a primary topic, virtually every other language Wikipedia puts the surname (dab) at the base title. I see the argument for page-views, though you should look at |Karel_%C4%8Capek|%C4%8Capek|Capek|Josef_%C4%8Capek|Mili%C4%8D_%C4%8Capek|Norbert_%C4%8Capek|Josef_%C4%8Capek_(footballer)|Franti%C5%A1ek_%C4%8Capek|Karel_Mat%C4%9Bj_%C4%8Capek-Chod all the others combined before making a judgment. In their native language, |Karel_%C4%8Capek|Brat%C5%99i_%C4%8Capkov%C3%A9 page-views for the brother are closer. Given they get equal billing in Brothers Čapek and in the museum in Malé Svatoňovice, I'm inclined to say there should not be a primary topic, in deference to the artist brother. This would align English Wikipedia with most other languages. Move the surname dab to the base title. – wbm1058 (talk) 01:08, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment Either keeping or retargeting to the surname index should work (not sure which is better, there seems to be a good case on both sides). I see no point in deleting, and dabifying wouldn't be needed either – the only entry a potential dab page could have that is not already listed in the surname index is the asteroid, and that is better dealt with by a hatnote. – Uanfala (talk) 12:55, 4 January 2017 (UTC)


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GEORGE W. BUSH
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1996 Rocky Mountain House earthquake
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk ) 17:22, 3 January 2017 (UTC)


 * 1996 Rocky Mountain House earthquake → List of earthquakes in Canada (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1996_Rocky_Mountain_House_earthquake&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

No content on target article. This was a small earthquake doublet with no effects. Canada is no stranger to damaging earthquakes. This is not one of them. Dawnseeker2000 21:57, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. Not mentioned at target, and almost certainly never will be mentioned at the target. This quake appear to falls well short of the standard being applied for listing a quake. Alsee (talk) 00:20, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - Other than confirming that this earthquake did, indeed, happen, I'm not seeing any evidence that this event was significant. It's not mentioned at the target, as stated above, and deletion seems to be the right call. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 11:23, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
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Donald Trump's Hair
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Tramini Piros
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 * The result of the discussion was No consensus to delete, default to "retarget all to Gewürztraminer per nominator". (non-admin closure) Steel1943  (talk) 23:18, 2 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Tramini Piros → Gewürztraminer (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tramini_Piros&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Piros Tramini → Gewürztraminer (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Piros_Tramini&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Tramin Cerveny → Gewürztraminer (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tramin_Cerveny&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Traminer Roz → Gewürztraminer (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Traminer_Roz&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Traminer Rozovy → Gewürztraminer (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Traminer_Rozovy&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Traminer Rosso → Gewürztraminer (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Traminer_Rosso&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Traminer Rose → Gewürztraminer (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Traminer_Rose&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I categorised Tramini Piros as and made it to the section Gewürztraminer and was going to do likewise for the others but.... do we really' need the word "red" translated into half a dozen languages? Si Trew (talk) 02:39, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

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 * Keep per WP:RFD #3 "They aid searches on certain terms." The list of synonyms for Gewürztraminer was culled from Jancis Robinson's Wine Grapes and the Vitis International Variety Catalogue (VIVC). These synonyms are not translations (of the word "Red" or elsewise) or potential typos but rather the grape's actual name in different languages. These names can appear in text, scholarly articles and on wine labels that originate in other countries. For English speakers, they may come across these seemingly obscure synonyms and search for them on places like Google so it is helpful that on the first page of the Google search, they are guided to Gewürztraminer via Wikipedia. Additionally, as the English Wikipedia is the largest, most accessed version of Wikipedia, visited by millions of users across the globe (many of whom English is a 2nd language), it is exceedingly helpful to have known synonyms of wine grape's from other languages as redirects for day to day user. After all, Redirects are cheap. AgneCheese/Wine 16:07, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

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 * Keep per Agne27. If these are synonyms often used in the industry, it would be enough affinity to justify the redirect. Patar knight - chat/contributions 06:11, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
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Fűszeres
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus to delete. -- Tavix ( talk ) 17:18, 3 January 2017 (UTC)


 * <span id="Fűszeres">Fűszeres → Gewürztraminer (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=F%C5%B1szeres&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Fuszeres → Gewürztraminer (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fuszeres&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete both, or retarget to Cserszegi Fűszeres. In Hungarian this simply means "spicy" (well the first one does, the second one is nonsense), so as a combining term it's fine, but standing alone it is a bit WP:RFD confusing for it to go here. It would be like "rouge" or "rosso" going to a grape variety. Si Trew (talk) 02:32, 11 December 2016 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete both - Were there a strong Hungarian connection to the global trade in spices either now or historically, then maybe I could see going over to the main page 'spice'... but that doesn't seem to be the case. I'd rather that we just get rid of these. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 08:01, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:RFD #3 "They aid searches on certain terms." The list of synonyms for Gewürztraminer was culled from Jancis Robinson's Wine Grapes and the Vitis International Variety Catalogue (VIVC). In the VIVC, it is written as FUSZERES without the umlaut but in other texts the umlaut is present so I erred on the side of caution with creating both. These synonyms are not translations or potential typos but rather the grape's actual name in different languages. These names can appear in text, scholarly articles and on wine labels that originate in other countries. For English speakers, they may come across these seemingly obscure synonyms and search for them on places like Google so it is helpful that on the first page of the Google search, they are guided to Gewürztraminer via Wikipedia. Additionally, as the English Wikipedia is the largest, most accessed version of Wikipedia, visited by millions of users across the globe (many of whom English is a 2nd language), it is exceedingly helpful to have known synonyms of wine grape's from other languages as redirects for day to day user. After all, Redirects are cheap. AgneCheese/Wine 16:15, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

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Sender Beromünster
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 * The result of the discussion was  keep  as valid alternative German names of the topic.   Deryck C. 17:47, 5 January 2017 (UTC)


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 * Sender Beromunster → Blosenbergturm (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sender_Beromunster&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]  (Eubot)
 * Sender Beromuenster → Blosenbergturm (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sender_Beromuenster&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]  (Eubot)

Delete all. "Sender" is not used at the target; presumably a mistranslation of "transmitter". We have redirects for "" etc. WP:RFD novel or obscure synonym. Six hits between them in ninety days, no internal links. Original was created by IP editor who seems only to have contributed on 13 December 2004. Si Trew (talk) 01:43, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

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 * Comment - "Sender" isn't a mistranslation, it's the German word for "transmitter". Narky Blert (talk) 21:49, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

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 * Keep per WP:RFOREIGN as it appears to be a name for the transmitter in German. -- Tavix ( talk ) 17:15, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. Sender Beromünster is a synonym for the target (and is used in the text at de:Landessender Beromünster), while the other two are plausible variants. – Uanfala (talk) 09:21, 4 January 2017 (UTC)


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Novellae
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 * The result of the discussion was soft retarget to Wiktionary. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 18:58, 4 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Novellae → Novella (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Novellae&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ] (Eubot)
 * <span id="Novellæ">Novellæ → Novella (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Novell%C3%A6&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete. From theWP:FIRSTSENTENCE of the target: "The English word "novella" derives from the Italian novella". So this plural is, er, WP:RFD novella obscure synonym. It's OK as a Latin plural, but then it just means novels. But in the articles where it's actually used, it's in a very specific sense defined here at Hebrew Union College's reference on Rabbinic literature.

So, three articles use "novellæ": Simha of Speyer, Elijah Spira and Ezra Malki. Five use "novellae": Rabbeinu Tam, Philip Wodianer, Moshe Schick, Meir Abulafia and Pinhas Hirschprung. In each case it's about Jewish/Talmudic scholarship and directing people to Novella is just wrong. We should probably WP:REDLINK it as WP:RFD confusing. Si Trew (talk) 15:08, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment There's a couple definitions at novellae that explain the Jewish and Roman uses of the term. Perhaps this is a good time to use a Wiktionary redirect. -- Tavix ( talk ) 18:40, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Given no other comments, I'll say retarget to novellae and novellæ, respectively. -- Tavix ( talk ) 17:29, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

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 * I also support soft retargets over to Wiktionary. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 07:06, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Soft redirect to wiktionary per the above – that's where the relevant information is found, there don't seem to be any suitable wikipedia articles and the redirects do get used (one pageview per day for, and one every five days for ). – Uanfala (talk) 09:40, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
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Papier machet
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 * The result of the discussion was Keep all. (non-admin closure) Steel1943  (talk) 23:10, 2 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Papier machet → Papier-mâché (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Papier_machet&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Paper machey → Papier-mâché (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Paper_machey&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Paper mashay → Papier-mâché (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Paper_mashay&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete. To my mind, the spelling of these is too far off to be a (as which none is marked). Si Trew (talk) 14:34, 10 December 2016 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * i can't remember what i was doing 8 years ago that led me to create papier machet as a redirect, but presumably I came across the misspelling. It returns a small but nonzero number of google hits. So whatever. -lethe talk [ +] 15:05, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

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 * Keep since the target is a foreign spelling, some people may have no real idea how to spell it. So I think these are all plausible wrong spelling redirects. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:25, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep all as plausible misspellings. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 00:34, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep as plausible misspelled search terms. Patar knight - chat/contributions 06:12, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. You and I know how to spell papier maché properly, sure — but not everybody does. Google search does reveal numerous examples of all three of these really existing in the wild, so there's the plausibility right there. Bearcat (talk) 16:41, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
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Mandrice
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 * The result of the discussion was keep. --BDD (talk) 21:24, 3 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Mandrice → Mandritsa (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mandrice&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot) Delete as WP:RFD novel or obscure synonym The English transliteration is "Mandritsa". The Albanian is or, but we can't just drop the dots off the "ë" here because the "c" needs to be transliterated (as "ts") too, and it loks like  Albanian "ë" is nearer to "a" than "e" (The Greek uses "α", for example, and the Bulgarian uses Cyrillic "а"). I've marked the others I mentioned as. Si Trew (talk) 13:13, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

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 * Comment. I suppose this was meant as a R to diacritics for Mandricë. FWIW the Albanian ë is pronounced similar to the English word "a" (not the "ay" pronounciation). <b style="color:#da0000;">Daß</b> &thinsp; <b style="color:#0044c3;">Wölf</b> 02:44, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. Here's a plausible situation: let's say someone with a keyboard that does not have access to diacritics came across the native Albanian "Mandricë" in a source and wanted to know what it was. They would use "Mandrice" to search, and the current target would give them the answer they desire. -- Tavix ( talk ) 16:49, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

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 * Keep per Tavix – even if the topic is obscure, this is textbook case of a job that redirects normally do. – Uanfala (talk) 01:53, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
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Tsistekeriia'kón:ke
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus. -- Tavix ( talk ) 17:09, 3 January 2017 (UTC)


 * <span id="Tsistekeriia'kón:ke">Tsistekeriia'kón:ke → Buffalo, New York (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tsistekeriia%27k%C3%B3n:ke&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Non-notable place not mentioned. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 06:50, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

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 * Comment. This looks like Mohawk or some similar language to me, it might be the city's name in that language. I have no idea whether that's true, though. <b style="color:#da0000;">Daß</b> &thinsp; <b style="color:#0044c3;">Wölf</b> 02:52, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't see anything at History of Buffalo, New York that looks like this. Champion, you said this was a place—do you know that, or are you speculating? --BDD (talk) 16:45, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

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 * comment. According to this means "Place of the buffalo" and is the name of Buffalo, New York in at least one Native American language, however it is not clear which one. The site is operated by the Coeur d'Alene people, but as they speak one of the Salishan languages which our article indicates extended no further east than about Montana pre-European contact it seems unlikely to be their name. The site indicates that it collates data from "various government and official sources" but I can't find any indication of which sources these are for the native names and so I am uncertain about its reliability as a source. If this is an actual name for Buffalo in a Native American language spoken in the area then I would say that WP:FORRED would point to keeping this, however it would suggest deletion if the language has little or no connection with the area. I am presently unable to judge which it is. Thryduulf (talk) 19:42, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. Daß Wölf had it right. The USGS Geographic Names Information System says The variant name, "Tsistekeriia'kón:ke", is a Mohawk name which translates to: "Place of the buffalo". - Eureka Lott 20:19, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
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Accadian language
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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus. -- Tavix ( talk ) 17:06, 3 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Accadian language → Akkadian (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Accadian_language&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not sure. It's not mention at the target and it could be easily with Acadian French or even  (which → Cajun French). We have Acadian (disambiguation) so it might be better to retarget it there, but there may be better targets I haven't found. It's perhaps WP:XY but I don't think any good would come of deleting it. It's quite old (2009) but nothing links to it and it hasn't been edited/retargeted since, so it doesn't seem particularly a controversial target (slightly to my surprise). Its hits are never more than 2 a day, 69 in the last year, well below bot level. Perhpas just let it stand as ? (I'll tag it that, for now, without prejudice.) Si Trew (talk) 05:04, 10 December 2016 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

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 * leaning delete I can somewhat see changing the target but the fact it was created this way suggests that complete removal is a better approach. Mangoe (talk) 18:26, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Acadian (disambiguation), which also lists Acadian French. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 00:37, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. “Accadian” is an alternative spelling of “Akkadian”. It is not a misspelling. It does not mean “Acadian” so WP:XY does not apply. The fact that it is not mentioned at the target is irrelevant: it is not necessary to list trivial spelling variations in articles. For readers who meant to type “Acadian”, there is already a hatnote directing them to Acadian French. Gorobay (talk) 18:32, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
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Joseph Ferdinand, Prince of Asturias
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 * The result of the discussion was delete, unopposed. -- Tavix ( talk ) 17:02, 3 January 2017 (UTC)


 * <span id="Joseph Ferdinand, Prince of Asturias">Joseph Ferdinand, Prince of Asturias → Joseph Ferdinand of Bavaria (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Joseph_Ferdinand,_Prince_of_Asturias&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

There is no source that Joseph Ferdinand of Bavaria was a Prince of Asturias. He is not described as such in Spanish sources and is not counted in many listings. see: http://www.ramhg.es/images/stories/pdf/casas-reales-y-soberanas-articulos/ppes_asturias.pdf Re5x (talk) 14:16, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
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Duke Joseph Ferdinand Leopold of Bavaria
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 * The result of the discussion was keep. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:51, 4 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Duke Joseph Ferdinand Leopold of Bavaria → Joseph Ferdinand of Bavaria (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Duke_Joseph_Ferdinand_Leopold_of_Bavaria&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Joseph Ferdinand was not a "duke", rather he was an "electoral prince" Re5x (talk) 14:09, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - Even if this is technically incorrect, I'm seeing this online a bunch of times in various publications, such as this website here, that don't appear to be mere Wikipedia mirrors. Redirects don't have to be 100% accurate to be helpful, after all. I'd rather that we just keep this. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 11:21, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep per CoffeeWithMarkets. Plus, his father was a duke, and Joseph Ferdinand was his first son who lived more than a year, so it's not surprising or wildly implausible that someone might think he had the same title. --BDD (talk) 21:22, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep and, assuming Re5x is right that Josehh Ferdinand is not a duke, tag with R from incorrect name (is this the the appropriate rcat?). Redirects don't need to be factually correct, as long as they are are likely as search terms. – Uanfala (talk) 12:16, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
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Jose Fernando, Prince of Asturias
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 * The result of the discussion was delete, unopposed. -- Tavix ( talk ) 16:59, 3 January 2017 (UTC)


 * <span id="Jose Fernando, Prince of Asturias">Jose Fernando, Prince of Asturias → Joseph Ferdinand of Bavaria (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jose_Fernando,_Prince_of_Asturias&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

The claim that "Joseph Ferdiand of Bavaria" WAS a Prince of Asturias has not been factually proven. Re5x (talk) 14:00, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
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Kimberly Morris
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk ) 16:58, 3 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Kimberly Morris → 2016 Orlando nightclub shooting (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kimberly_Morris&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete. I don't see how it's useful to have a redirect from an otherwise non-notable victim to the shooting. Novarupta (talk) 11:17, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - not useful --Jay (talk) 11:54, 20 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete - per nom's rationale.  Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 12:18, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: Kim Morris redirects to a section of List of Playboy Playmates of 1986. --BDD (talk) 16:24, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment She is mentioned in a bunch of the news articles as one of the victims and that she was a bouncer there at the nightclub. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:27, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as per the above CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 04:43, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
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BIN-ShenYun
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk ) 16:57, 3 January 2017 (UTC)


 * BIN-ShenYun → Shen Yun Performing Arts (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=BIN-ShenYun&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I don't know what this is supposed to mean. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 07:32, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. This redirect started life as an article about the same topic as the target, with the first sentence "Some at the Beforeitsnews.com are also fans of the Shen Yun Performing Arts." This makes me strongly suspect the "BIN-" refers to "beforeitsnews.com" (an apparently non-notable website), and also makes me wonder whether it was a copyright violation (a cursory search didn't immediately find a source, but this was not conclusive either way). In any case, the redirect is not plausible and as best I can tell is not used for anything that didn't originate at Wikipedia. Thryduulf (talk) 09:53, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete It's not right. I agree with Thryduulf scope_creep (talk) 10:37, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - I suspect Thryduulf's suspicion about the BIN is correct.  Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 12:06, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete not a notable sponsor that places its name in front of the product. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:23, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
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Mintlinux
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 * The result of the discussion was Keep. (non-admin closure) Steel1943  (talk) 23:07, 2 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Mintlinux → Linux Mint (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mintlinux&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not plausible search term. Linuxmint maybe, but this is too far-fetched. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 07:24, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * leave This was originally requested by User:212.2.100.122 in WP:AFC in 2008, so someone thought it was plausible. 82 user accesses to this name in the stats for 2016, and 143 spider crawls. 79 page views last year.  So its not completely useless, but really very low on use.  But anyway its enough to keep in place. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 07:32, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. I concur with Graeme Bartlett that the demonstrated use makes this a useful redirect - 80 human views a year is not even "very low" for a redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 09:56, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. The above stats seem to indicate that it has been somewhat helpful.  Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 11:27, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - While clunky, it appears that this is useful, and I don't see harm in retaining this. Reversing the words around appears to pop up in various websites from a quick search. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 01:19, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
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