Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 December 3

December 3
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on December 3, 2016.

Uetikon am See (Zuerich)

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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 17:21, 16 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Uetikon am See (Zuerich) → Uetikon am See (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Uetikon_am_See_(Zuerich)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(eubot). Delete as WP:RFD nonsense: mix of something-halfway-between-German-and-English and English.
 * roundabout explanation. It's marked as, because it was created from , yet the target has no diacritics. That's fixable, and we should mark as . What is not fine is that the English for "Zürich" is not "Zuerich" but, er, . I'd like to get some kind of general consensus of whether foreign-language transliterations are good disambiguation terms, when the words have been naturalised into English. I'm deliberately limiting that, since obviously some disambiguation terms need to be in the native language of the target, but this one falls in a valley between two Alps. There are many others of the same pattern. But, I'll say right now, with the Eubot redirects, I'd reckon about ten are OK for every one that is a bit iffy – perhaps even fifteen or twenty to one. Still, there are about 130,000 redirects, so that's a lot to get through. I'm trying (and over at WT:CSD to establish a conservative pattern for when we can suggest a criterion to delete the most obviously harmful ones speedily. Even if that is only one in twenty, it's a lot. It's a pity there's no obvious way to mark the "good" ones as "keep", yet. Si Trew (talk) 23:57, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
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Premier president
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 December 17%23Premier president

Ayseguel abadan

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 * The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk ) 01:28, 14 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Ayseguel abadan → Ayşegül Abadan (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ayseguel_abadan&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Ayseguel Abadan → Ayşegül Abadan (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ayseguel_Abadan&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(Eubot) Delete. A Turkish "ü", not a German one. Gsearch for "Ayseguel" gives me just the names of a few Facebook, Twitter and Instagram accounts, for this exact title, even less. WP:RFD Delete as nonsense. Caps mistake is added bonus.No internal links, stats at 3 between the two of them in the last 90 days. Si Trew (talk) 23:20, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
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Gyoergy Stern

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 * The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk ) 01:13, 14 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Gyoergy Stern → Georg Solti (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gyoergy_Stern&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(Eubot). Created from, which was marked as but I've just changed to. This is a Hungarian "ö", not a German one, so the "oe" makes no sense here: Delete as WP:RFD nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 22:59, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment. We don't even have Stern György, the correct birth name in Hungarian name order, let alone variants such as Stern Gyoergy or Stern Gyorgy, so this seems rather an outlier. We do have, also by Eubot , but that's fine. Si Trew (talk) 23:13, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete As i understand it, this is a redirect from an unnecessary misspelling.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:58, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
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!?Revolution!?
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 December 16%23!?Revolution!?

Garlho Poirig Ranggyongkül

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 * The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk ) 01:06, 14 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Garlho Poirig Ranggyongkül → Gannan Tibetan Autonomous Prefecture (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Garlho_Poirig_Ranggyongk%C3%BCl&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Garlho Poirig Ranggyongkul → Gannan Tibetan Autonomous Prefecture (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Garlho_Poirig_Ranggyongkul&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I have absolutely no idea whether these make any sense or not. Not at the target (" Gainlho Poirig Ranggyong Kü" is apparently the Tibetan pinyin), gsearch gives only 4 results, two from www.pronouncekiwi.com and two others from online "dictionaries". The second is a Eubot creation from the first. The target has sixteen other redirects, all of which are essentially transliterations, and I imagine some of which are unhelpful. (Si Trew (talk) 21:16, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
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Nicholas of Fluee

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 * The result of the discussion was Delete. I'm shocked that I couldn't find attestation of this, given that "Flüe" is German...  -- Tavix  ( talk ) 01:38, 14 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Nicholas of Fluee → Nicholas of Flüe (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nicholas_of_Fluee&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Nicholas of Fluee, Blessed → Nicholas of Flüe (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nicholas_of_Fluee,_Blessed&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(Eubot). English sources seem to give his name as "Nicholas of Flue" (without the diacritic), so the "Fluee" is an unlikely anglicisation, Delete as WP:RFD nonsense. The "Blessed" disambiguation(?) at the end is also rather strange. Si Trew (talk) 21:10, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
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Wlochy (dzielnica Warszawy)

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 * The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk ) 01:29, 14 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Wlochy (dzielnica Warszawy) → Włochy (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wlochy_(dzielnica_Warszawy)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]


 * (Eubot). Delete, WP:RFD mix of foreign and English. I could be wrong but it seems a stretch to keep the disambiguation part of the title in Polish ("dzielnica Warszawy") but to drop its diacritical marks in the name of the place. There are others of a similar pattern. While, fortunately, "dzielnica Warszawy" doesn't have any diacritics, I'd apply the same reasoning to any Polish place that had had its diacritics removed but not the disambiguation part anglicised. Perhaps I am being overly picky. In this case it's a anyway, and I've tagged it thus. Si Trew (talk) 20:22, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Actually a . I wasn't aware that template and category existed. Si Trew (talk) 20:34, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
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Manassê

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 * The result of the discussion was Withdrawn by nominator. We'll try to consolitate the targets first, then return. (non-admin closure) by nominator, Si Trew (talk) 00:48, 4 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Manassê → Manasses (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Manass%C3%AA&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not sure. The target is a DAB, but this could equally well go to Manasseh (disambiguation). Probably the two DABs could be combined (they're the same word in different forms) but even so, neither gives the word in this form. Nevertheless definitely the word is transliterated in this form, but we have a bit of an WP:XY. And my gsearch gives very few results in English, and those largely word-lists, so it might be WP:RFD too: most results are in French, although some are in Vietnamese (with French interposed). No links outside this discussion; stats down right now. Si Trew (talk) 20:07, 3 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment: There seems to be a lot of duplication and confusion around these names. Manasses (given name), Manasses, and Manasseh seem to cover essentially the same material. Manasses is templated as a disambiguation page but should probably be a set index like the other two. I think before we discuss any redirects, the articles need to be straightened out. Perhaps a member of WikiProject Anthroponymy could help out with merging them? — Gorthian (talk) 22:20, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Good idea, User:Gorthian. I'd seen those too but was trying to be brief. I agree, sort out the targets first. I'll withdraw this nom if that helps. Si Trew (talk) 23:07, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I've left a note on the page over at anthroponymy. Withdrawing these two might be best until we can get it worked out. Thanks, Si. — Gorthian (talk) 00:40, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
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Manasse

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 * The result of the discussion was Withdrawn by nominator. We'll try to consolidate the targets first, then return. (non-admin closure) by nominator, Si Trew (talk) 00:48, 4 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Manasse → Manasses (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Manasse&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Eubot redirect. The target is (now) a DAB page listing several Mannasses but only one Manasse, Joseph S. Manasse, in its "See also". That being the case, I think that we should 'retarget it there.

Background: I can't see evidence of a relevant move, but this has come about as a back-formation from the redirect. Although "Manassê" is a variant of "Mannases" or "Mannaseh", its use in English seems very rare. We also have Manasses (given name), and I am not sure what value the DAB at Manasses is giving us that the given name article isn't. It's all a bit messy. Si Trew (talk) 20:01, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
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Dublin Harbour (Dáil Éireann constituency)

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 * The result of the discussion was keep. --BDD (talk) 17:01, 16 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Dublin Harbour (Dáil Éireann constituency) → Dublin Harbour (UK Parliament constituency) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dublin_Harbour_(D%C3%A1il_%C3%89ireann_constituency)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * Dublin Harbour (Dail Eireann constituency) → Dublin Harbour (UK Parliament constituency) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dublin_Harbour_(Dail_Eireann_constituency)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete as misleading, WP:RFD. This was a UK consituency during the time of the Dáil Éireann (Irish Republic) (1919–1922) but has never been a constituency of the current Dáil Éireann. The version with diacritics was an article until 12 October 2007, when User:BrownHairedGirl redirected it. I appreciate it is old but doesn't make it right, or a likely search term. The version without diacritics was created as a variant by Eubot.

also redirects to the same target, so these are, also. Too late, but I should have just moved the target over, but I've edited it by rcatting it. In any case, there may be a better target for, although I can't find one offhand. Si Trew (talk) 19:35, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
 * should either redirect to Dublin Port, or be a dab page between the port and this constituency. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:20, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I have just converted to a disambiguation page, and fixed a misplaced incoming link. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:39, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

This redirect reflects a clash of two constitutional theories and two phases of history, and Wikipedia should not suppress either viewpoint or either theory. In the British view, this was a constituency of the House of Commons of the United Kingdom. That view is uncontested until 1918. However, at the Irish general election, 1918, the voters of this constituency and 72 others chose instead to regard it as constituency of Dáil Éireann; they elected a candidate who was committed to ignoring the Westminster parliament, and to sit instead in the First Dáil. As such, the constituency was used as a Dáil Éireann constituency, and the website of the Oireachtas lists Dublin Harbour as one of its constituencies: http://www.oireachtas.ie/members-hist/default.asp?housetype=0&HouseNum=1&ConstID=82&disp=mem. The nominator's attempt to make a distinction between the first Dáil and the ongoing Dáil is not supported by the Oireachtas itself ... and even if that partisan proposition was accepted, it doesn't alter the fact that Philip Shanahan of Sinn Féin was elected by Dublin Harbour to represent them in Dáil Éireann. I don't know whether this nomination is due to a misunderstanding by the nominator, or by some sort of POV-pushing ... but whatever the motivation, its effect is a proposal to rewrite history. Note that similar redirects exist for many of the other Westminster constituencies which in 1918 were used by their voters as Dáil Éireann constituencies. No reason is offered for singling out this one. (For examples of the other redirects, see, , , , , , and the many other Westminster constituencies in Category:Dáil Éireann constituencies in the Republic of Ireland (historic). Note that "(Dáil Éireann constituency)" is the standard disambiguator for articles on the constituencies of Dáil Éireann, and these redirects allow editors and readers to link consistently to the relevant articles. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:20, 3 December 2016 (UTC) I presume that the nominator overlooked WP:RFD#1 ... but now that I have pointed it out, would @ Si Trew like to consider withdrawing the nomination? -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:57, 3 December 2016 (UTC) The redirect was not the subject of this nomination, so no gun was jumped. It is mentioned in the nom as a related issue, and two posts above you welcomed the change. All very odd. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:22, 4 December 2016 (UTC) Yes, of course the redirect makes a statement about politics: it notes the fact that the constituencies established for the Westminster Parliament were used by Irish Republicans for elections to an independent parliament called Dáil Éireann. So what is your objection to this redirect? Do you dispute that this happened? Or do you think it was wrong for people to have done it? And if you "refuse to be drawn into it", why make a nomination on that basis? Very odd indeed. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:50, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. The only misleading thing here is the nomination, which misrepresents history.
 * PS Back in late 2007, I merged the content of this article to Dublin Harbour (UK Parliament constituency) to avoid a POV fork. I forgot to tag the redirect with R from merge, which I have now done. However, regardless of the presence of that tag, per WP:RFD#1, this page has a substantive edit history which should not be deleted.
 * User:BrownHairedGirl. I've reconsidered, and I won't withdraw it. What would be the point of your notifying the project if you expected me to? If nothing else, Dublin Harbour has got changed, so some good has come of it. Si Trew (talk) 22:05, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
 * @Si Trew as you can see from the timestamps, I notified the project before I spotted that WP:RFD#1 applied. Do you disagree that WP:RFD#1 applies? --22:42, 3 December 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by BrownHairedGirl (talk • contribs).
 * You can choose whatever criteria you want. So can I: that's how we get consensus. Boldly changing a redirect to a DAB page while a discussion about it is in progress perhaps is jumping the gun. I am not going to get involved in Irish politics, but I'll let the discussion proceed in the usual manner, and be closed in the usual manner. I don't need to be bludgeoned into withdrawing it. You forgot to sign. Si Trew (talk) 00:54, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
 * @Si Trew Thanks for signing. I'm surprised that you don't want to address the WP:RFD#1 issue.  It looks fairly straightforward to me, and I don't see how asking you consider something which you appeared to have overlooked amounts to bludgeoning.  As to not wanting to get involved in Irish politics, you chose to get involved when your nomination made assertions about Irish politics; I responded to that. Again, it's odd not to discuss issues raised when another assessment is offered; discussion is how we build consensus.
 * The redirect of itself makes a statement about Irish politics, by redirecting a seemingly Irish redirect to a UK target. I refuse to be drawn into it. If it goes keep, so be it. I said of the change to a DAB "some good as come of it". You may have inferred of that, that no good would come of the rest, but you didn't infer that. Drop the stick and walk away. Si Trew (talk) 01:28, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
 * There is no stick to drop. Simply a discussion which you opened, and in which you have been politely asked to respond to some issues arising from your nomination.


 * Notification: WikiProject Ireland has been notified. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:27, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. Philip Shanahan was elected to the Dublin Harbour constituency and sat in Dáil Éireann. It is quite possible someone someone knowing those facts might search for ; in fact the pageviews tool shows low but regular usage. On the other hand, somebody not searching for that would have no reason ever to see it. Therefore it is a useful redirect with no potential to mislead. Note, by the way, that the First Dáil is part of the "current Dáil Éireann", per the article that the nominator linked to. Scolaire (talk) 00:27, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep per Scolaire and BrownHairedGirl. Thryduulf (talk) 09:38, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
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Legend X
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. Having been previously deleted in an XfD, and only recreated by a WP:SPA which made no other edits, I'm salting this. --BDD (talk) 16:58, 16 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Legend X → Christina Aguilera (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Legend_X&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This previously-deleted redirect is a nonsensical nickname usually used in jest to refer to the subject of the target article on pop culture forums. It has virtually no encyclopedic value and should likely be deleted again. Mmrsofgreen (talk) 07:32, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep when used as an exact phrase this seems to relate to either Christina Aguilera or a non-notable escape room in Santa Ana and the latter only with context. Someone seeing this without context and not knowing who is being referred to would quite plausibly look it up on Wikipedia and so they should be taken to the Christina Aguilera article. What matters for a redirect like this is whether this is a useful search term, not whether there should be encyclopaedic coverage. Thryduulf (talk) 07:44, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
 * The previous RfD noted that the redirect got vandalised quite a bit, but the answer to that is to (semi)protect the redirect not to delete it. It also noted it was not neutral, but WP:RNEUTRAL explains why that isn't relevant. Thryduulf (talk) 07:45, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete, no discussion of "Legend X" at the target. -- Tavix ( talk ) 19:14, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
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Soeder Airlines
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk ) 22:25, 12 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Soeder Airlines → Soder Airlines (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Soeder_Airlines&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

(Eubot) Not a German "ö". -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 07:22, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Not even a Finnish "ö", by the looks of things, but created as a variant of . I'll rcat that as (it was used in one article, Flying Finn (airline), where I've fixed it), but this one is probably pushing it too far... Delete. Si Trew (talk) 20:16, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
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Bibliothèque
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 December 16%23Bibliothèque

의식동원
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 16:55, 16 December 2016 (UTC)


 * <span id="의식동원">의식동원 → Chinese food therapy (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%EC%9D%98%EC%8B%9D%EB%8F%99%EC%9B%90&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-10-17&end=2016-11-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=%EC%9D%98%EC%8B%9D%EB%8F%99%EC%9B%90 stats])     [ Closure:  ]

I suspect this is WP:FORRED, because nothing in the target article mentions anything about Korean practices or affinities. Plus, Google Translate tells me that "의식동원" means "conscious mobilization" in English. So I have no idea if this is an acceptable redirect or not. — Gorthian (talk) 02:36, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete per nom. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:59, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. I'm afraid Google Translate got this one wrong. The phrase 의식동원 is derived from Classical Chinese 醫食同源, literally "medicine [and] food [have] common source". As I wrote in the previous RfD, this redirect is correct and culturally relevant. Food therapy currently redirects to Chinese food therapy; at any rate the local variants of East Asian food therapy are a cultural continuum, not discrete concepts. Deryck C. 13:17, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks,, for clearing up the translation. — Gorthian (talk) 23:13, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
 * ...and I've just figured out how Google Translate got what it got. 의식 can mean "consciousness" (cognate zh. 意識) and 동원 can mean "to mobilise people" (cognate zh. 動員). (I've cross-checked with ko.wp.) It's amazing that CJKV share ~90% of their abstract vocabulary (derived from Classical Chinese) so once you know 2-3 varieties (Standard Chinese, Cantonese and Japanese for me) you can guess the rest. Deryck C. 10:15, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 05:54, 26 November 2016 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep per Deryck C.. Thryduulf (talk) 19:54, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

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 * Delete WP:FORRED "의식동원" is Korean, not Chinese, while the target is about a Chinese concept, not Korean. If we have anything about Korean-specific food therapy, then  should be turned into an article instead of being a redirect. If anything about the Korean concepts of food therapy that are contiguous with the Chinese ones are available, then they should be added to make the redirect useful. If not WP:REDLINK the redirect waiting for Korean concepts to be added before recreation. -- 65.94.171.217 (talk) 05:59, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete simply because the target doesn't address Korea at all (or even something broader like East Asia) AFAICT. -- Tavix ( talk ) 22:13, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
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Caroline Scott
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 * The result of the discussion was dabify. --BDD (talk) 16:49, 16 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Caroline Scott → Miss Wyoming USA (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Caroline_Scott&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

I think Caroline Harrison is the WP:PTOPIC for "Caroline Scott" instead of a state-level beauty pageant winner. The former FLOTUS has had |Miss_Wyoming_USA far more views than the pageant. SST flyer  02:18, 26 November 2016 (UTC) <div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Retarget per nom and WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and hatnote to Caroline Lucy Scott who exists. Patar knight - chat/contributions 02:58, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. This target was decided by consensus at the third AFD for the former article at this name. Caroline Harrison is the WP:COMMONNAME for the former First Lady, not her maiden name. — Gorthian (talk) 22:29, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
 * WP:COMMONNAME <> WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. The WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for a name may be a topic with a different WP:COMMONNAME. SST  flyer  12:23, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 06:35, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate. If there are three plausible targets for "Caroline Scott" (the US first lady, the English novelist, the pageant winner), then a disambiguation page is appropriate.  NewYorkActuary (talk) 11:07, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate. In addition to the three mentioned above, Scott's Bungalow also mentions a Caroline Scott and Francis Scott, Earl of Dalkeith had a daughter named Caroline. I don't think there's a primary topic. While Caroline Harrison gets the most page views, she's not typically known as Caroline Scott, so people typically won't use that to search for her. -- Tavix ( talk ) 21:57, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
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I Don't Want to Wait for Our Lives to Be Over, I Want to Know Right Now, Will It Be... Sorry. Do Do Doo Do Do, Do Do Doo Do Do, Do Do Doo Do Do, Doo...
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 16:42, 16 December 2016 (UTC)


 * <span id="I Don't Want to Wait for Our Lives to Be Over, I Want to Know Right Now, Will It Be... Sorry. Do Do Doo Do Do, Do Do Doo Do Do, Do Do Doo Do Do, Doo...">I Don't Want to Wait for Our Lives to Be Over, I Want to Know Right Now, Will It Be... Sorry. Do Do Doo Do Do, Do Do Doo Do Do, Do Do Doo Do Do, Doo... → List of King of the Hill episodes (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=I_Don%27t_Want_to_Wait_for_Our_Lives_to_Be_Over,_I_Want_to_Know_Right_Now,_Will_It_Be..._Sorry._Do_Do_Doo_Do_Do,_Do_Do_Doo_Do_Do,_Do_Do_Doo_Do_Do,_Doo...&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="I Don't Want to Wait for Our Lives to Be Over, I Want to Know Right Now, Will It Be...Sorry. Do Do Doo Do Do, Do Do Doo Do Do, Do Do Doo Do Do, Doo...">I Don't Want to Wait for Our Lives to Be Over, I Want to Know Right Now, Will It Be...Sorry. Do Do Doo Do Do, Do Do Doo Do Do, Do Do Doo Do Do, Doo... → List of King of the Hill episodes (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=I_Don%27t_Want_to_Wait_for_Our_Lives_to_Be_Over,_I_Want_to_Know_Right_Now,_Will_It_Be...Sorry._Do_Do_Doo_Do_Do,_Do_Do_Doo_Do_Do,_Do_Do_Doo_Do_Do,_Doo...&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * merged — Gorthian (talk) 07:05, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

I doubt this is a plausible search term, even if it were, the song would be the primary topic as seen overwhelmingly in sources, not sure if we need a hatnote on the song article, still suggest deletion as it may distract or mislead readers looking for the song. Also note weird capitalization. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 05:07, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
 * May I ask what was with that nomination you made? Seemed strange. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 07:05, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry. I was bumblingly trying to add it to this nomination. ECs all the way. Do you know, this one is so long that there's no room to leave an edit summary? — Gorthian (talk) 07:11, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Never mind, https://www.diffchecker.com/ZCQkirjK . -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 07:13, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:NOTLYRICS or related catch phrases. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 18:57, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Retarget both to King of the Hill (season 5). Exact title match and plausible spacing error for the full name of an episode described on that page. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 19:41, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
 * This will mislead people looking for the song, and retargeting it to the song will mislead people looking for the episode, a Google search confirms that the song is more prominent than that particular episode. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 20:58, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Of course it is (how does Dawson's Creek fit into that, by the way?) but I think it's better go to to the exact-title-matched article (or section of one, anyway). People looking for the song are likely to search by its actual title, I Don't Want to Wait. We wouldn't otherwise keep a redirect from lyrics (WP:NOTLYRICS is pretty consistently applied to redirects) and I prefer to account for correct usages before considering erroneous ones. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 21:35, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
 * WP:NOTLYRICS is exactly why I prefer to delete this, I still think there is a WP:SURPRISE factor involved. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 21:43, 4 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete, not mentioned at either target. -- Tavix ( talk ) 01:34, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
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Centre (politics)
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 * The result of the discussion was keep and retarget, respectively, so both redirect to Centrism. -- Tavix ( talk ) 21:32, 12 December 2016 (UTC)


 * <span id="Centre (politics)">Centre (politics) → Centrism (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Centre_(politics)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]
 * <span id="Center (politics)">Center (politics) → Moderate (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Center_(politics)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Not consistent with one another, not sure which is better. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 03:53, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I think I prefer Centrism as one may be a moderate without being in the centre, e.g. a moderate socialist or moderate Unionist (in a Northern Irish context) would be described as being closer to the centre but not in the centre. Thryduulf (talk) 07:32, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I also prefer Centrism, because both and  target that. Si Trew (talk) 12:08, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Retarget both to Centrism, the correct article. One may be a moderate centrist, of course. One may also be a moderate Communist, or a moderate neo-Nazi. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 19:43, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Retarget both to Centrism given the above CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 22:02, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Retarget both to Centrism. Moderation is a different concept. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:40, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
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Just Dance Kids (2010 video game
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk ) 21:30, 12 December 2016 (UTC)


 * <span id="Just Dance Kids (2010 video game">Just Dance Kids (2010 video game → Just Dance Kids (2010 video game) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Just_Dance_Kids_(2010_video_game&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Missing bracket at the end of the disambiguator. Steel1943 (talk) 03:52, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete WP:R3. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 07:07, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - This isn't useful. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 22:01, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
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Step metal
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk ) 21:29, 12 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Step metal → Heavy metal music (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Step_metal&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Nothing about this supposed musical genre in the literature. Appears to be a hoax. Binksternet (talk) 03:21, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
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💻
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 * The result of the discussion was keep as is. -- Tavix ( talk ) 17:09, 12 December 2016 (UTC)


 * <span id="💻">💻 → Personal computer (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%F0%9F%92%BB&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

This is displayed as a picture of a laptop on my screen, not sure if it is better to retarget there or just delete it for ambiguity per WP:RFDCO. By the way, my ID is  (Firefox 45, Windows 8 x86_64) -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 01:04, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - the character is "U+1F4BB PERSONAL COMPUTER", so it should be an image of a personal computer. We wouldn't redirect this to Ŵ, thumbs up or optical disc if a font maker chose to put those glyphs in this sport. Thryduulf (talk) 07:38, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep on both my PC and my handheld thingy the glyph looks like a desktop computer, not a laptop, but as Thryduulf says we have no control over glyphs. Si Trew (talk) 19:51, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
 * What OS/browser are you using, and coincidentally, I am on a laptop, not a desktop, so I'm beginning to wonder if this differs with the same OS/browser combination if editing on a desktop. Also, it is worth mentioning that the symbol is displayed as grey on Firefox and Chrome, regardless of whether it is linked, whereas on Internet Explorer, it is shown as black or blue when linked. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 21:02, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
 * PC is Windows 7 Starter Edition (Hungarian), Firefox browser, English. Tablet thingy is Android, no idea what version, with Firefox. Si Trew (talk) 21:28, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
 * I can confirm that it looks like a laptop with a trackpad on my IPad.--76.69.215.204 (talk) 21:36, 3 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep - the difference between a desktop computer and a laptop is getting pretty blurry these days, and both are personal computers. It's a laptop for me on my, erm, laptop, running Win10 w/Chrome, and a keyboard & monitor on my Android (also Chrome). Emojipedia runs the gamut as usual, but none are different enough to propose a different target. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 22:48, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment I remember in certain Linux desktop environments (KDE 4 if I recall correctly), the icon for the "My Computer" directory was a laptop if you were on a laptop and a monitor with a tower if you were on a desktop. On Mac OS, the icon was different for each different computer if you look closely at the icon on "About This Mac" or something like that. -  C HAMPION  (talk) (contributions) (logs) 07:57, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - Similar to Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 August 15, though that ended in no consensus, I believe we should redirect these based on the definition (i.e. Unicode name) of the symbol. — Godsy (TALK<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;"> CONT ) 19:45, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
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InterC.E.P.T.
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk ) 17:09, 12 December 2016 (UTC)


 * InterC.E.P.T. → Nightshade (disambiguation) (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=InterC.E.P.T.&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

InterC.E.P.T. is a DC Comics organization that Nightshade was a former member of. This redirect doesn't work because InterC.E.P.T. has more than one member, and Nightshade was only one of them. I suggest a redlink if someone wished to create an article on the organization. MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 00:01, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
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