Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 February 15

February 15
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on February 15, 2016.

Her Majesty Queen Alexandra



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 * The result of the discussion was keep. This conforms to the existing primary topic. No prejudice against an RM to change that. --BDD (talk) 16:14, 23 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Her Majesty Queen Alexandra → Alexandra of Denmark (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Her_Majesty_Queen_Alexandra&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-01-16&end=2016-02-14&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Her_Majesty_Queen_Alexandra stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Queen Alexandra → Alexandra of Denmark

Neelix redirect - this search string applies equally to Alexandra of Yugoslavia so it's an XY or two page DAb. Search results are better. Legacypac (talk) 20:02, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. From the article: "she was styled "Her Majesty Queen Alexandra." In fairness, "Queen Alexandra" redirects there as a primary topic and there's a hatnote to Queen Alexandra (disambiguation). -- Tavix ( talk ) 23:19, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * My Google search returned both Queens with the same phrase in both results as the top hits. At [Alexandra of Yugoslavia]] her style is found in both the box on the right and down in the titles "29 November 1945 – 30 January 1993: Her Majesty Queen Alexandra of Yugoslavia" hence my nomination. Legacypac (talk) 03:51, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Maybe an WP:RM of Queen Alexandra (disambiguation) → Queen Alexandra is in order. I'd consider that. If there isn't a primary topic of the nominated phrase, then I believe the correct course of action would be a retarget to Queen Alexandra (disambiguation). I don't think deletion is warranted here. -- Tavix ( talk ) 03:58, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Retarget to DAB sounds good. I was checking redirects pretty fast for reasonableness and when I saw two Wikipedia articles with the exact same phrase in the top G hits I sent it here for more discussion. Missed the existing DAB which is not mentioned at Alexandra_of_Yugoslavia (but maybe should be). Legacypac (talk) 04:13, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Move etc per Tavix, I like that solution. Retarget to dab, then send to RM I guess is the right thing to do. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 16:07, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Just for clarification, I don't think any pages should be moved as a result of this discussion. Even if the result is to retarget Her Majesty Queen Alexandra to the dab, I believe the no primary topic claim of "Queen Alexandra" to be a separate-enough issue that it should be settled via WP:RM. (I think you're saying the same thing as me, but the bolded "move" is throwing me off.) -- Tavix ( talk ) 16:18, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Better? Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 16:23, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I've added the Queen Alexandra redirect to the discussion now. Why have a seperate RM debate? The case to retarget it to the DAB is even stronger - and I also think the DAB should be moved over this title. If we agree to retarget this redirect as well, the move becomes non-controversial. Legacypac (talk) 16:45, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep/re-redirect. Trawling Neelix redirects is not a proper (wiki)job. Bosley John Bosley (talk) 13:40, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Please take time to read Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive904, Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive906, Administrators' noticeboard/Archive278 and Administrators' noticeboard. Then, if you like, please come back and give us your opinion on what other users do with their time. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 20:43, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah I read most of that...a lot of fixing of something that wasn't broken...In my opinion users should do "no harm" with their time ie do not access childporn or delete harmless redirects. Bosley John Bosley (talk) 22:26, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
 * This is one of the less-pointless discussions concerning Neelix-created redirects. Why would you equate this good-faith discussion of a mistargeted redirect with pedophilia? I think you may want to reword that. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 22:39, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah I accept there is a point to the discussion that has developed - I haven't dissed that at all. My issue is that "Neelix redirect" is an "ad hominem". Mixing my metaphors: My second point is that "Better 100 harmless redirects are left alone than one useful redirect is deleted" Bosley John Bosley (talk) 22:50, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Would you accept that "Neelix redirect" is meant to refer to a specific class of redirects for which we have temporarily developed supplementary criteria, rather than an ad hominem? And to your second point, that is the entire reason that we're going through this silly process, so that the few of Neelix's 80,000-ish redirects which are useful are not deleted, while the many that have been shown to be harmful according to preexisting guidelines are taken care of. If we weren't concerned about not deleting useful or harmless redirects, we would have mass-deleted all 80,000 or so of them in one shot and saved ourselves an awful lot of time. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 15:26, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I would define Harmful as either introducing a factual error into an encyclopedia; or reducing its usability (such as sticking the pages together). In the old days encyclopedia's had, where it was the editorial policy, in the corner, aides to help the reader: "Aar-" to "Har-". They weren't necessary - just useful. If you didn't use them, fine, but I think, as here, it would be a waste of time Tipp-Exing them out. Bosley John Bosley (talk) 19:32, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Right you are. As noted, "Queen Alexandra" can refer to more than one person: it is harmful to point it at one rather than another. That's the sort of thing we're trying to fix here. An unexpectedly high number of Neelix's redirect creations suffer from fairly minor but nonetheless harmful issues such as this one, because he created them indiscriminately and en masse. So trawling them is a thankless job, but a necessary one. Most of his truly harmless redirects have not been deleted. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 19:42, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
 * It is not harmful it is in acoordance with guidline WP:PRIMARYTOPIC Bosley John Bosley (talk) 20:10, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah, so we get to the heart of the matter, then. What makes you think Alexandra of Denmark is the primary topic for these? That would be a good argument if there were any evidence, but our usual action with these is to create or retarget to a disambiguation page. Even Queen Elizabeth doesn't have a primary topic. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 20:49, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
 * If you believe that working the Neelix list is a waste of time, I invite you to do something else other then waste our time arguing for his redirects at RfD. I believe removing redirects that are violations of policy and good sense is vandelism fighting. Neelix Redirects is not an attack, it's become a special class of CSD. We say Neelix redirect so that if it looks to an Admin the redirect will not pass RfD they can save us time and G6 it. When evaluating the Neelix list, we are sending some through for discussion that have potential. This board is call Redirects for Discussion after all. Thousands are being CSD deleted without RfD. Legacypac (talk) 16:40, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Example I just sent to CSD 'True bats'. To a casual glance that looks like a plausable term - but it was pulled straight out of Neelix's fertile imagination. Put it in quotes and search shows stuff like "blah blah blah not true. Bats are blah blah blah". Mirrors copy these redirects and turn them into definitions and synonyms and pretty soon Neelix nonsense has become an entirely fake class of bats. Legacypac (talk) 21:42, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Reminds me of the Imaginary Bats Home Gym. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 22:09, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
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Double stuffed



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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to Oreo. (non-admin closure) -- Tavix ( talk ) 15:49, 25 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Double stuffed → Sex position (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Double_stuffed&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-01-16&end=2016-02-14&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Double_stuffed stats])     [ Closure:  ]

I'm no Puritan, and I respect WP:NOTCENSORED, but I really dislike the idea of some kid looking for information on Oreos running across this. While the Oreos are called "Double Stuf" or "Double Stuff" depending on where they're sold, "double stuffed" remains a very common phrase associated with Oreos in the wild, and thus seems a likely search term. I propose retargeting to Oreo, but would not oppose deletion. BDD (talk) 19:28, 15 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Oreos, indeed Google is pretty split cookie on this. Anyone looking for sexual meanings are better served on the 50% of the net devoted to porn sites where they can see demonstrations not permitted at Wikipedia. OK with delete as well. Legacypac (talk) 19:39, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 02:52, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom. I will also note that Neelix created "Doublestuf", which targets Oreo. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 09:09, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Weak Retarget per nom. I like the suggested target and it seems like the best route, but a few other things notably use the term, WP:XY. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 15:17, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment. Not important, but it is actually an R to section, so I've tagged it as such and added the section to the nom here. Si Trew (talk) 10:06, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. Oreos does not mention "double stuff", let alone "double stuffed", so retargeting there would be jumping out of the frying pan, into the fire. Current target mentions "double stuffing" but not "double stuffed". I am quite aware of how English verbs conjugate, but when it comes to brand names, it takes a lot to verb them in this way (films and dreamcoats, for example, are not Technicolored, although British people clean carpets by hoovering them).
 * Stats are <1/day on average, so we don't seem to be corrupting the kiddies (or the adults for that matter); nevertheless, deleting it would be a neutral solution; redirecting to Oreos would be a mild act of censorship in making it harder for people to find out about double stuffing (via the search results).
 * Perhaps surprisingly, I can't find any sources that call them "Double stuffed". It seems to refer more to stuffing potatoes or pizzas. Keebler make double stuffed cookies under the E. L. Fudge brand: here; so without evidence it would be hard to say that it refers to Oreo cookies (or anything else). Others' search results may differ, of course. Si Trew (talk) 10:25, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
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Lioyd Banks
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 February 23%23Lioyd Banks

Wobbly H
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 February 25%23Wobbly H

Reader-responses
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Methyl aldehydes



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 * The result of the discussion was keep. --BDD (talk) 16:09, 23 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Methyl aldehydes → Formaldehyde (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Methyl_aldehydes&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-01-16&end=2016-02-14&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Methyl_aldehydes stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Methylene oxides → Formaldehyde (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Methylene_oxides&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-01-16&end=2016-02-14&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Methylene_oxides stats])     [ Closure:  ]

These seem to be different from the target enough that they should be redlinked or redirected. My high school chemistry is fuzzy though, so input sought. Legacypac (talk) 16:35, 15 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep both - formaldehyde is the aldehyde formed with a methyl molecule. Methylene oxide I'm less certain of, but both are given as alternate names at the target. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 19:26, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep CDC and the U.S. National Library of Medicine consider their singular forms as formaldehyde's synonyms so I guess they're legitimate plural forms for the chemical -- Lenticel ( talk ) 03:37, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep atleast "methyl aldehyde" since that is literally what formaldehyde is. -- 70.51.200.135 (talk) 04:21, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Possibly dumb comment I haven't done chemistry since high school either, but aren't there any molecules with a methylene group and more than one oxygen atom (FWIW there's a bunch of Google Books hits for methylene dioxide), and wouldn't those also be called methylene oxides (note that the nominated redirects are in the plural, i.e. they sound like they're referring to a whole class of things rather than just an individual example)? 58.176.246.42 (talk) 13:59, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, formic acid is HCOOH, and that derives into various formates but I don't think that's what you're thinking of. I recall from either high school or university chem that the hydroxide ion OH is always considered separately, so HCOOH isn't a dioxide technically, but then again I'm no chemist. According to formaldehyde (see ref 19) "methylene dioxide" is an erroneous name for formaldehyde based on its discoverer originally giving it an incorrect formula. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 16:21, 17 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep Methyl aldehyde per Ivanvector. Delete Methylene oxides. Methylene oxide appears to be a valid alternative name for formaldehyde, but the plural seems to refer to a class of polymers with -CH2-O- repeat units (our article is at polyoxymethylene). shoy (reactions) 20:07, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
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Artificial objects



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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to Lists of artificial objects. (non-admin closure) sst ✈(conjugate) 05:15, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia has a series of articles about artificial objects in various places outside earth making this a partial title match. I'm not sure this is the best target, Neelix redirect Legacypac (talk) 03:33, 8 February 2016 (UTC) *Delete, WP:RFD confusing; lots of things are artificial objects (real or conceptual) that are not covered by this rather short article. Let the search engine do it. Si Trew (talk) 02:29, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Artificial objects → Artificiality (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Artificial_objects&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/musikanimal/pageviews#start=2015-12-10&end=2016-02-08&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Artificial_objects stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Artificial object → Artificiality (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Artificial_object&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/musikanimal/pageviews#start=2015-12-10&end=2016-02-08&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Artificial_object stats])     [ Closure:  ]  added Si Trew (talk) 02:29, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Hm? What does earth have to do with it? And if you've found something that's artificial but not man-made, even if it's in space, alert SETI! I suppose this phrase is meant to distinguish artificial objects from natural ones. I don't know if that's correct, or if it's a concept we really discuss anywhere. --BDD (talk) 23:35, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. I know the title of the target may be a bit surprising for some readers, but I think this is the best target available at the moment. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 18:27, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
 * List of artificial objects in heliocentric orbit List of artificial objects on Mars List of artificial objects on Venus List of artificial objects on the Moon List of artificial objects leaving the Solar System List of artificial objects on extra-terrestrial surfaces all on the firstpage off Google for this term, with the other results and suggestions also space oriented. Legacypac (talk) 08:45, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Sure, but the target article doesn't say anything about space. Is your argument that the phrases usually refer to something in space? --BDD (talk) 14:30, 10 February 2016 (UTC)


 * There sure seams to be a very strong affinity between the term artificial objects and space topics - on and off wikipedia. It is a very weird term if you think about it. Is the opposite 'real objects' or 'natural objects' (the opposite of 'man made' ). Can anyone find a wider meaning then 'stuff made on earth now in space'? Legacypac (talk) 00:33, 11 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep mentioned in article, other pages can be linked via "see also". Is there an index or something similar for these lists? Peter James (talk) 00:19, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I think we should convert this into a List of Lists. Something like "Artificial objects is a term use in space research to refer to man-made objects beyond the atmosphere. Here are some lists of such artificial objects... List of artificial objects in heliocentric orbit List of artificial objects on Mars List of artificial objects on Venus List of artificial objects on the Moon List of artificial objects leaving the Solar System List of artificial objects on extra-terrestrial surfaces ... Legacypac (talk) 16:59, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 16:27, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment. My search in WP for "man-made object" indicates that that also seems to be used mostly but not exclusively on space articles (satisfyingly, fish aggregating device is higher in the results than Luna 1). In the more general sense it could apply to any invention or abstraction such as a, but that is perhaps too vague to DAB. It appears that, at least within WP, "artificial" refers only to man-made objects and not, for example, nests, anthills and ("natural") beehives.
 * "List of artificial objects" is essentially a partial title match for all the lists that User:Legacypac has enumerated (and others), so I am not sure there is much value in creating a list of lists. (How did LP find those topics if not through a WP search?) Si Trew (talk) 06:51, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I googled Artificial objects and the first 6 hits were Wikipedia articles, followed by other space oriented articles down to result #17 Also some of the related search suggestions are space oriented, either stuff in space or man-made objects that can be seen from space. Legacypac (talk) 07:02, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
 * So is there any value in creating a list of lists if a search does just as well? What would it have that search results don't? Do you think it would make it easier than separating the wheat from the chaff of the search results?
 * I was tempted to create the list of lists, and if you (or anyone else) did then I'd very probably support a retarget to it. I'm just wondering whether deleting these, and letting the search engine do it, would be just as good for less effort. Si Trew (talk) 07:11, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm talking bollox. These redirects are not for "list of", and I wasn't searching without the "list of"; they're not PTMs. I think the list is worthwhile; I'll make a start. Si Trew (talk) 07:16, 20 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Retarget both to Lists of artificial objects, which I have just created. I've added an escape hatch there to (-> Timeline of historic inventions).  you might want to add some other entries or otherwise tidy that up. Si Trew (talk) 08:15, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Retarget both to Lists of artificial objects as per the above CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 08:59, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
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Sun lounges



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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus. --BDD (talk) 16:07, 23 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Sun lounges → Sunroom (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sun_lounges&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/musikanimal/pageviews#start=2015-12-10&end=2016-02-08&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Sun_lounges stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Sunlounge → Sunroom (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sunlounge&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/musikanimal/pageviews#start=2015-12-10&end=2016-02-08&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Sunlounge stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Sunlounges → Sunroom (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sunlounges&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/musikanimal/pageviews#start=2015-12-10&end=2016-02-08&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Sunlounges stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Sun-lounge → Sunroom (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sun-lounge&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/musikanimal/pageviews#start=2015-12-10&end=2016-02-08&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Sun-lounge stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Sun-lounges → Sunroom (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sun-lounges&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/musikanimal/pageviews#start=2015-12-10&end=2016-02-08&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Sun-lounges stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Sun lounges are furniture not rooms. Not sure how the term made it into the "also known as" section but I've removed it. Legacypac (talk) 01:50, 8 February 2016 (UTC)


 * delete per WP:REDLINK and as Neelix junk. I was somewhat inclined to redirect to chaise longue but we would need a section on the later as outdoor furniture first ; also, this seems to be a peculiarly Australian term . Mangoe (talk) 18:32, 8 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep this is correct, there's a hatnote for the furniture, which is more commonly called a sun lounger: "For the outdoor furniture, see Sunlounger." Sun lounge is used, but not often, to refer to the furniture, but it's unclear whether this is an accepted name in some varieties of English or just a mistake or confusion with similar terms - for this the hatnote is still suitable. There's at least one book that distinguishes between conservatories and sun lounges, but both would be types of sunroom. Peter James (talk) 00:11, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
 * That would suggest we retarget to Sunlounger Legacypac (talk) 17:02, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
 * The problem in that is that we define deck chair (which is where "sunlounger" redirects) to be something different. I'm not particularly convinced by the distinctions we draw but... Mangoe (talk) 17:22, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
 * No it wouldn't - it still primarily refers to a sunroom: "but both would be types of sunroom". Peter James (talk) 12:01, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm not the least convinced that it primarily refers to a sunroom. Indeed, while it seems to refer in advertizing more commonly to the chair, I see for instance on the Target website that at a search for "sun lounge" produces both a hit for a greenhouse affair to tack on your house and for a number of chairs.


 * A great deal of the problem seems to be that nobody is bothering to be particularly consistent about the name of the chair. They get called sun lounges, sunlounges, sun loungers, sunloungers, and sun beds, often all on the same page. OTOH if "sun lounge" refers to a room, it's either probably on a boat or in the British Isles. I'm beginning to thing that disambiguation is a better solution. Mangoe (talk) 00:07, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

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 * Keep, no good comes of changing them. I can't see how a 'lounger' (furniture) would be referred to as a 'lounge', so there's no point targeting that. But can one "sunlounge" as a "You and I sunlounge, he sunlounges" and thus have 'sunlounger' as an agent noun for someone who uses a deckchair? Wouldn't that be a sunbather,  or  (all -> sun tanning)?
 * Incidentally, was missed from this nom, but has the same target. Anyway, it's a ludicrous notion that the British or Irish have need of either a sunroom or a sunlounger. Si Trew (talk) 08:30, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
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Rewilding (Carnivores)



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 * The result of the discussion was delete all. Deryck C. 16:49, 25 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Rewilding (Carnivores) → Species reintroduction (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rewilding_(Carnivores)&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-01-16&end=2016-02-14&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Rewilding_(Carnivores) stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Rewilding Carnivores → Species reintroduction (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rewilding_Carnivores&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-01-16&end=2016-02-14&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Rewilding_Carnivores stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Rewilding (carnivores) → Species reintroduction (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rewilding_(carnivores)&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-01-16&end=2016-02-14&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Rewilding_(carnivores) stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Rewilding (Predators) → Species reintroduction (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rewilding_(Predators)&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-01-16&end=2016-02-14&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Rewilding_(Predators) stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Rewilding Predators → Species reintroduction (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rewilding_Predators&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-01-16&end=2016-02-14&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Rewilding_Predators stats])     [ Closure:  ]

SURPRISE! There's nothing about carnivores as a class at the target article, while "predators" are mentioned once. Individual predators and carnivores are listed, but these titles suggest content specifically about the reintroduction of carnivores or predators, which is an actual subtopic that's not covered here. Let's not mislead our readers otherwise. See also Articles for deletion/Rewilding (Carnivores). --BDD (talk) 16:03, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete the ones with brackets, they're invalid disambiguation: a rewilding isn't a type of carnivores nor a type of predators. Weak delete the other two because while the target is probably the right one, there isn't (much of) anything there about carnivores nor predators specifically. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 16:01, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete all as WP:RFD confusing, the target doesn't mention carnivores specifically or predators even more specifically, so it's confusing to imply that it does. There's a DAB at Rewilding, but none of its entries are for carnivores or predators. Si Trew (talk) 09:49, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete all - I'm in agreement. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 08:58, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
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Irish Messi



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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus. --BDD (talk) 16:04, 23 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Irish Messi → Wes Hoolahan (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Irish_Messi&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/musikanimal/pageviews#start=2015-12-08&end=2016-02-06&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Irish_Messi stats])     [ Closure:  ]

From a quick online search, I'm seeing a lot of players that seem to use this name, including Zak Gilsenan and Alan Judge. Perhaps a disambiguation page is in order, or maybe retarget to an appropriate section for Lionel Messi since so many players are called the next Messi. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 01:29, 6 February 2016 (UTC)


 * I looked at this before creating the redirect. Zak Gilsenan isn't notable enough for Wikipedia - he fails WP:BLP1E, being only known for signing for a football club.
 * Thus, there are 2 players that use the title, so hatnotes are preferred (I meant to add them, but didn't).
 * Of the 2, I think Hoolahan is given the nickname more often in reliable sources. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:40, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. --BDD (talk) 21:58, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
 * I note that being referred to as the "Irish Messi" is apparently so significant for Wes Hoolahan that it isn't even mentioned anywhere in his article. Unless reliable sources have talked about him in these terms (I haven't checked) I say we just delete the redirect altogether.... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:48, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Sources:, , , , . And I'm sure I've seen Sky Sports use it before. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:14, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete - media nickname, not needed on the article and not a likely search term for a redirect. GiantSnowman 18:11, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep and hatnote based on the information provided by Joseph. Media nicknames, BTW, absolutely should be included in articles and redirects when widely used. And, also, BEAST MODEEEEE! Oiyarbepsy (talk) 06:28, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Funnily enough that should probably be dabbed/hatnoted too :-) Beast mode on! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:08, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

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Gragina



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. JohnCD (talk) 15:33, 22 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Gragina → Vagina (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gragina&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-01-16&end=2016-02-14&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Gragina stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * Gragina Spektor → Regina Spektor (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gragina_Spektor&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-01-16&end=2016-02-14&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Gragina_Spektor stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Delete implausible misspellings. Gragina appears to be an actual given name (judging from the LinkedIn/Facebook entries), but there's no Wikipedia article about anyone by this name. Possibly intended as disparagement, since they were both created at the same time (in November 2014 by user now indef-blocked) and given what Urban Dictionary claims this string of letters means. 58.176.246.42 (talk) 03:36, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - not a synonym, no info at target. The second has already been speedy deleted. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 14:00, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete, WP:SURPRISE for those looking for someone's name. -- Tavix ( talk ) 23:23, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete looks like vandalism. Legacypac (talk) 16:51, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. I've marked as, but I can't find any use outside of Urban Dictionary, which appears to be a nonce word. I appreciate that we don't need reliable source, but we could do with some sources beyond the one at Urban Dictionary for which it is the only entry by the contributor. Si Trew (talk) 09:56, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment. The creator of this redirect is indefinitely blocked. Si Trew (talk) 10:00, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - Seems like loopy nonsense. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 08:58, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
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Kian Maiorana
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 15:31, 23 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Kian Maiorana → Ulster University at Jordanstown Volleyball Club (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kian_Maiorana&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-01-16&end=2016-02-14&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Kian_Maiorana stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Recommend deletion. Redirect phrase not in current version of article; search using WikiBlame of past versions suggests the redirect phrase has not been a part of the article in the past. Working on Maiorana surname page content and wish to remove this personal name to avoid inclusion of a content free redirect. User:Ceyockey ( talk to me ) 02:14, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
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Draft:Keith L. Magee
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 15:31, 23 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Draft:Keith L. Magee → List of Kappa Alpha Psi brothers (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Keith_L._Magee&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-01-16&end=2016-02-14&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Draft:Keith_L._Magee stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Keith L. Magee → List of Kappa Alpha Psi brothers (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Keith_L._Magee&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-01-16&end=2016-02-14&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Keith_L._Magee stats])     [ Closure:  ]

This redirect should be deleted because of lack of notability of its subject. It creates a bluelink on List of Kappa Alpha Psi brothers, giving the impression that there is an article about the person, and legitimizing his inclusion on the list. However, I haven't been able to find much in the way of reliable independent sources about him, so his name should be removed from the list, which would leave the redirect targetless. Perhaps another editor will find some justification for including information about this person and keeping the redirect. &mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 02:11, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Do you want to include Keith L. Magee in your nomination? -- Tavix ( talk ) 04:44, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, please; actually, it's the one I intended; the draft pointed to it until a bot retargeted it.&mdash;Anne Delong (talk) 04:59, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * ✅. -- Tavix ( talk ) 05:03, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
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Brevolution
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 * The result of the discussion was delete both. JohnCD (talk) 15:35, 22 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Brevolution → Beyoncé (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Brevolution&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-01-16&end=2016-02-14&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Brevolution stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * B Revolution → Beyoncé (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=B_Revolution&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-01-16&end=2016-02-14&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=B_Revolution stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Looks like someone was trying to figure out what Beyonce's 4th album was going to be called (answer: 4). No mention of "B Revolution" at 4 nor Beyonce now and when this was created. My search revealed a consulting firm by the name though. -- Tavix ( talk ) 01:21, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. Page creation camping. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 16:06, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 01:32, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
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<span id="MAKO by Beyoncé">MAKO by Beyoncé
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. JohnCD (talk) 15:35, 22 February 2016 (UTC)


 * <span id="MAKO by Beyoncé">MAKO by Beyoncé → Beyoncé (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MAKO_by_Beyonc%C3%A9&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-01-16&end=2016-02-14&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=MAKO_by_Beyoncé stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Delete, looks like there were some 2011 rumors connecting Beyonce to a video game named "MAKO." I couldn't find any verification of this, so I'm assuming this game never happened. It's another reminder why we have WP:CRYSTAL. -- Tavix ( talk ) 01:11, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:36, 18 February 2016 (UTC)
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Miss Bee
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. JohnCD (talk) 15:36, 22 February 2016 (UTC)


 * Miss Bee → Beyoncé (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Miss_Bee&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-01-16&end=2016-02-14&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Miss_Bee stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Delete as vague, could plausibly refer to any unmarried female with a name beginning with "B," or maybe even a female spelling bee winner? I don't see it significantly referring to Beyonce, at least not more than any other possible use. The nickname isn't mentioned at the article. -- Tavix ( talk ) 01:03, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete the target is not a cartoon honey bee -- 70.51.200.135 (talk) 03:54, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as that is not useful. Legacypac (talk) 20:17, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as vague. It seems to be the name of a restaurant, a clothing shop and an apiary -- Lenticel ( talk ) 01:26, 17 February 2016 (UTC)
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