Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 January 17

January 17
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on January 17, 2016.

Republic of Hawaii Interior Minister



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 * The result of the discussion was keep per WP:SNOW. Clearly a real position of a defunct government. (non-admin closure) Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 22:06, 18 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Republic of Hawaii Interior Minister → Ministry of the Interior (Hawaii) (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Republic_of_Hawaii_Interior_Minister&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

no such thing Scott Illini (talk) 22:53, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
 * James A. King, Henry E. Cooper, and Alexander Young (engineer).--KAVEBEAR (talk) 22:59, 17 January 2016 (UTC)


 * SNOW KEEP The target of this redirect lists former interior ministers of the republic of Hawaii. Mrfrobinson (talk) 23:14, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
 * SNOW KEEP there was such a position from 1843-1900. Legacypac (talk) 00:04, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
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Republic of Hawaii Foreign Minister



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 * The result of the discussion was keep per WP:SNOW. Clearly a real position of a defunct government. (non-admin closure) Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 22:07, 18 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Republic of Hawaii Foreign Minister → Ministry of Foreign Affairs (Hawaii) (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Republic_of_Hawaii_Foreign_Minister&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

no such thing Scott Illini (talk) 22:51, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Francis March Hatch, Henry E. Cooper, William Owen Smith, Samuel Mills Damon, and Ernest Augustus Mott-Smith.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 23:01, 17 January 2016 (UTC)


 * SNOW KEEP The target of this redirect lists former foreign ministers of the republic of Hawaii. Mrfrobinson (talk) 23:14, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
 * SNOW KEEP if you check the article. Legacypac (talk) 00:06, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
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Americans renouncing citizenship in records numbers



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 20:14, 24 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Americans renouncing citizenship in records numbers → FATCA agreement between Canada and the United States (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Americans_renouncing_citizenship_in_records_numbers&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Editorialized article title. The target of the redirect would not be the article people would associate with renouncing citizenship (FATCA). Mrfrobinson (talk) 22:48, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
 * delete this phrase is not a useful search term. Legacypac (talk) 00:08, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - WP:NOTNEWS, WP:RFD (irrelevant nonsense). Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 15:50, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete Not a particularly helpful title, and fails to mention that this only include dual citizens with residence in Canada. Dimadick (talk) 20:30, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. Sounds too much like a sensational newspapers' headline -- Lenticel ( talk ) 01:30, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per Legacypac. Recent created, ungrammatical, and headline-like rather than a likely article title, so I'd say it's an unlikely enough search term (basically Wp:R) that it can be safely deleted. 58.176.246.42 (talk) 11:13, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment if this didn't have grammatical errors I'd probably say retarget to somewhere that discusses the numbers, like Renunciation of citizenship or Quarterly Publication of Individuals Who Have Chosen to Expatriate. The concern with Wp:R would be addressed by retargetting, and Wp:R only applies to abusive or offensive redirects (i.e. on the level of Wp:BLP violations), not merely POV ones. 58.176.246.42 (talk) 11:13, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment, but Americans ARE renouncing citizenship in records numbers, and if I start an article about this phenomenon Mike will be the first to nominate to wp:AfD. So does this mean consensus or censorship? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ottawahitech (talk •

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 * The fact you are stating is part of an article already, this redirect is actually extremely misleading because it points to ONE cause of the phenomenon and uses an editorialized headline. Secondly would this justify a standalone article? Thirdly, just because consensus doesn't agree with you doesn't make it censorship! You have some phenomenal edits to Wikipedia however not every single news article warrants a redirect nor is every topic/subject/event notable. Mrfrobinson (talk) 23:52, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment the phrase you're looking for is "record numbers", not "records numbers". English doesn't inflect adjectives to match the nouns. 58.176.246.42 (talk) 17:39, 20 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Retarget - I'd be ok with retargeting to Renunciation of citizenship if there were some info there about the recent trend. The stats show that this is very actively used, 74 hits in just the last few days. That's more than the noise usually generated by Rfd. However targeting it to a theorized cause is unwarranted editorializing, and the source used to make the connection doesn't really say that FATCA is the cause. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 18:01, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Actually the phenomenon is specifically mentioned there, so this is now my !vote. I'm not fussed over the grammatical error. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 18:03, 20 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete: Could be borderline without the typo, but with it appears implausible. --Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 18:12, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete: Unnecessary, spelled incorrectly, and Ottawahitech continues to make implausible redirects. SirLagsalott (talk) 00:58, 21 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep Wow! 6 delete votes for a redirect that I built because I am unable to start articles on wikipedia without running the  gauntlet of multiple CSDs, PRODs and AfDs by the nominator and his followers. The phenomenon of American citizens renouncing their citizenship is real - I invite others to research it on google. It’s not news: the trend has been around for several years.  Had the nominator objected to the target  of the redirect he could have simply changed it to redirect elsewhere. Spelling mistakes/don’t like the article title? — Why not  simply move the redirect to another title  instead of nominating it for deletion where while we all debate this to death, no one is plugging the hole of knowledge at Wikipedia. Ottawahitech (talk) 23:15, 21 January 2016 (UTC)please ping me
 * Delete. 58 sums up my thoughts well. -- Tavix ( talk ) 01:29, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Question - would there be any objection to creating a redirect from Americans renouncing citizenship in record numbers (correcting the grammatical error) pointing either at the current target or to Renunciation of citizenship? If the only issue is the grammatical error then either of these should be ok. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 17:38, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Still POV, news headline like and may or may not be true next week, year, or decade. So yes I would object. Legacypac (talk) 21:13, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
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Bernie Sanders interview with Diane Rehm
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 January 24%23Bernie Sanders interview with Diane Rehm

Benutzer:Saippuakauppias/Tibetan Names



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 * The result of the discussion was speedy deleted as CSD G7. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 23:23, 18 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Benutzer:Saippuakauppias/Tibetan Names → List of Tibetan names (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Benutzer:Saippuakauppias/Tibetan_Names&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unexpected redirect. Looks like an attempt to create a redirect from a subspace in the user namespace, but with the wrong namespace name, making it into a redirect from the article namespace instead. Stefan2 (talk) 18:59, 17 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete as implausible. --Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 20:13, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete sames as the one below that was speedied, Legacypac (talk) 00:11, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Speedy delete per the related thread below, let's call it WP:G7. The creator had it at this title for less than one minute before moving it elsewhere, and only 26 minutes total before moving it to the much more stable (but still erroneous) List of Tibetan Names. History is intact so no need to keep this. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 21:50, 18 January 2016 (UTC)


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Benutzer:Marcroelans/Falko Steinbach



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 * The result of the discussion was already deleted via CSD. Procedural close. Deryck C. 21:33, 17 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Benutzer:Marcroelans/Falko Steinbach → Falko Steinbach (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Benutzer:Marcroelans/Falko_Steinbach&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Unexpected redirect. Looks like an attempt to create a redirect from a subspace in the user namespace, but with the wrong namespace name, making it into a redirect from the article namespace instead. Stefan2 (talk) 18:59, 17 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Benutzer is the German for User - and the page was created by User Marcroelans - I moved the page from Benutzer:Marcroelans/Falko Steinbach to Falko Steinbach - don't know why I didn't request deletion of the original - it was 18 months ago - Please delete now - Arjayay (talk) 19:36, 17 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Speedy delete as creator has requested deletion, about to tag. --Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 20:14, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Beaten to it: cheers, . --Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 20:15, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
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On the circle



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 * The result of the discussion was speedy deleted by ; procedural close. (non-admin closure) Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 15:53, 18 January 2016 (UTC)


 * On the circle → Deferent and epicycle (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=On_the_circle&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Another literal translation of a Greek word that has many other meanings and will not help search. We've deleted hundreds of these translations. My hotel could be on the (traffic) circle. We could draw on the circle and so on. Legacypac (talk) 16:12, 17 January 2016 (UTC)


 * CSDd as an old implausible Neelix redirect. --Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?'') 20:18, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete the target is not about things on the circle, which would be a circular coordinate -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 09:48, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
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Psy (2015 film)



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 20:06, 24 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Psy (2015 film) → Spy (2015 film) (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Psy_(2015_film)&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Highly unlikely redirect. Sum mer PhD v2.0 16:12, 17 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete as an implausible typo. --Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 20:15, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete makes no sense. Legacypac (talk) 00:12, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as unlikely misspelling -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:39, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppan Deletenam Style! This should be recent enough for WP:R3. -- Tavix ( talk ) 01:31, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Weak keep simple transposition error, therefore plausible. -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 09:49, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per Tavix. Possibly a typo, but also possibly BLP-level misleading as Psy was not associated with the film. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 15:55, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. I agree with everything else that has been said here - it's an unlikely typo to make. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SirLagsalott (talk • contribs) 01:02, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
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Metropolitan Community Church of Manchester



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. n.b., an AfD for this church closed as merge to the target article, but it looks like that didn't take place. Please contact me if there are attribution concerns. --BDD (talk) 20:05, 24 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Metropolitan Community Church of Manchester → Metropolitan Community Church (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Metropolitan_Community_Church_of_Manchester&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

Delete per WP:RFD confusing (and WP:SURPRISE, WP:REDLINK). Manchester is not mentioned at the target section, or indeed at all in the article. Considering that is also a redirect to the same target, anyone typing (or AutoCompleting) this specific title presumably wants info about the church in Manchester, specifically.

For now, I've marked as. Si Trew (talk) 08:38, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as we don't cover a likely non-notable local church. Legacypac (talk) 16:18, 17 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete per above points. --Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 20:15, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - no info available. Per Legacypac, we're unlikely to include details on individual congregations of this organization. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 16:00, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
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NewYorkValues



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 20:04, 24 January 2016 (UTC)


 * NewYorkValues → Social liberalism (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=NewYorkValues&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

POV redirect by vandalism only account —teb728 t c 03:00, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete while in the news, its not well defined and not spelled as one word. Legacypac (talk) 03:01, 17 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom, implausible. --Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 20:16, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete Implausible search term. Even if the association was true, the search term would involve spaces: New York Values. Dimadick (talk) 20:39, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete new camelcase redirect -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 06:09, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - Improper spacing which isn't old camelcase, no mention at the target, and other potential issues. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 18:01, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - I'm just joining the party. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 18:50, 21 January 2016 (UTC)
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List of supercentenarians from kansas
<div class="boilerplate rfd vfd xfd-closed" style="background:#FFEEDD; margin-top:0.5em; padding:0 10px 0 10px; border:1px solid #888888;">


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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 20:03, 24 January 2016 (UTC)


 * List of supercentenarians from kansas → List of supercentenarians from the United States (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_supercentenarians_from_kansas&action=history history] · stats)     [ Closure:  ]

highly unlikely search term, including small k kansas. No real reason for it to exist - it was created via several strange page moves. Basically housekeeping to delete it. Legacypac (talk) 02:18, 17 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Strong delete per nom. --Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 20:16, 17 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Strong meh - maybe housekeeping, but in the same aspect maybe useful. There are a few people listed at the target who are "from Kansas" (born there, lived there, and/or died there) and the lists are sortable by state, so a user searching this would find the information they're looking for. But how likely are they to type it? The page was blank when it was moved to this title so I don't think WP:RFD can apply (nobody finds blank pages useful) but as a redirect it's entirely harmless, and there is no pressing need to clean up redirects. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 16:03, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Rename to List of supercentenarians from Kansas. This is a useful search term with a lack of capitalization. Dimadick (talk) 20:41, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Just being pedantic: the search engine is not case sensitive. If "...from Kansas" is useful then the current title is equally useful. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 21:45, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Renaming a redirect only compounds the issue by creating another redirect. If this is useful, then we really should have a similar redirect for every state, and then start on regions like Southeast, Northwest, and large cities like LA, Chicago, Boston etc. till we have 398 obscure redirects like a former admin. created to a window article. I also see this as a slippery slope toward more of these slice and dice longevity lists. Legacypac (talk) 23:14, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
 * More such lists would be fantastic. I agree we wouldn't have much use for lists for each state, but having a redirect in place can have the effect of discouraging creation of an article. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 18:06, 20 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete, this is misleading as it implies that a list of supercentenarians from Kansas exists somewhere at that target, and there's not. Sure, you can sort by state, but that's not a separate Kansas list. There wouldn't be much to see on such a list since the only ones listed with ties to Kansas are Delma Kollar (born) and Ella Schuler (died). -- Tavix ( talk ) 22:01, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
 * There's a couple currently living as well. Just for completeness' sake. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 22:02, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Are you sure? I double checked the 'living' list and still didn't see any Kansasians there. Although I did miss Benjamin Harrison Holcomb earlier (oldest man from Kansas). -- Tavix ( talk ) 22:08, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Oops, I was looking at the "oldest by state" list. So, three total. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 22:18, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
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