Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 July 16

July 16
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on July 16, 2016.

A Cry

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was delete. Patar knight - chat/contributions 00:34, 25 July 2016 (UTC)


 * A Cry → Llef (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=A_Cry&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-06-16&end=2016-07-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=A_Cry stats])     [ Closure:  ]

(Neelix) "A Cry" is the literal translation of the Welsh name of the hymn, but is there any evidence of it being known in English as "A Cry?" If not, I think it should be deleted per WP:R as an obscure or novel synonym. -- Tavix ( talk ) 20:40, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. I can't find anything other than partial title matches. Thryduulf (talk) 22:37, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - I agree. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 09:36, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

Family Portrait (play)

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 * The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk ) 22:51, 24 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Family Portrait (play) → Ellen Demming (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Family_Portrait_(play)&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-06-16&end=2016-07-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Family_Portrait_(play) stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Delete. A Neelix redirect that targets one of the actresses who performed in it, whose article simply states that "She played Mary in Family Portrait. There is no indication anywhere of whether Mary is even a major character. Thryduulf (talk) 18:55, 16 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Did Family Portrait (play) once have an article that got deleted? One of the three pages that links to it is Family portrait, a dab page. The entry there was added by Jwy (not Neelix) in May 2006, almost two years before Neelix created the redirect. The entry on the dab page says, "play revived in 1959 starring Ellen Demming". If that's right, then the redirect is appropriate. (BTW, Ellen Demming links to Family Portrait (play). And around we go...) — Gorthian (talk) 21:36, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Don't remember exactly, but I suspect Family Portrait (play) was a redlink when I "cleaned up" the dab page, otherwise I would not have linked Ellen Demming in the line. I would have left the red link thinking someone would put something useful there.  --John (User:Jwy/talk) 04:52, 20 July 2016 (UTC)
 * as best I can tell there has never been anything other than the present redirect at this title. While redirecting the article about a play to one cast member may not be incorrect, I don't regard it as appropriate in this case as you get no useful information about it at the target, and it's particularly confusing given the incomming link from another biography. A redlink would be more appropriate in my view. Thryduulf (talk) 23:27, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete You've convinced me, Thryduulf. — Gorthian (talk) 17:06, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete agree. Might want to assess if there will EVER be something there and remove the redlink if not.  Out of scope here, I guess --John (User:Jwy/talk) 18:42, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I've been looking into it; it doesn't look very notable, but I'm unfamiliar with notability guidelines for plays. As for the redlink, we can always unlink it in the few articles that use it. — Gorthian (talk) 04:51, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
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Prince Featherhead
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 July 25%23Prince Featherhead

Fahrenheit 451 (2009 film)

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 * The result of the discussion was moved, without leaving a redirect, to Draft:Fahrenheit 451 (unreleased film), and restored to pre-redirect status. --BDD (talk) 19:28, 25 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Fahrenheit 451 (2009 film) → Fahrenheit 451 (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fahrenheit_451_(2009_film)&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-06-16&end=2016-07-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Fahrenheit_451_(2009_film) stats])     [ Closure:  ]

This redirect should be deleted. There is no movie for it. This redirect was created years ago in anticipation of a movie that has never seen release, and may, in fact, never make it to release. The production appears to have stalled in development hell. As you can see from the page history, editors were just bumping the year of the redirect every year that passed without a release until it was just forgotten about. This is why WP:NOTCRYSTALBALL is a good policy. Jason Quinn (talk) 13:53, 16 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Note: this redirect was once an article but was changed to a redirect in 2007 for failing notability. Jason Quinn (talk) 14:08, 16 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete. The page history actually had a "Production" section that does not appear in Fahrenheit 451, so I've copied it to that article's talk page in case it will ever be used later. Erik (talk &#124; contrib) (ping me) 14:24, 16 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Rename? I'm now thinking that this redirect should be kept as a redirect with history, especially since the content has now been copied. The name is terrible however so it should be moved to something better. Any suggestions? Jason Quinn (talk) 21:12, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
 * It doesn't even need to be a redirect; the old history can be restored and moved to draftspace. Draft:Fahrenheit 451 (film) is an idea. -- Tavix ( talk ) 21:51, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
 * That name is problematic because there's already an article called Fahrenheit 451 (film). Naming conventions (films) doesn't help much because it assumes the film was released and notable. Maybe something like Draft:Fahrenheit 451 (unreleased Darabont film) might work. I dislike the idea of draftspace being used as a permanent dumping ground for topics that may be non-notable by our criteria. That isn't really the original intent of it but there's no perfect solution here. Jason Quinn (talk) 11:44, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
 * It's draftspace though, so we don't need strict compliance with NC. -- Tavix ( talk ) 16:45, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
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