Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 July 22

July 22
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on July 22, 2016.

User:192.168.1.1

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was delete. JohnCD (talk) 08:49, 1 August 2016 (UTC)


 * User:192.168.1.1 → Private network (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:192.168.1.1&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-06-12&end=2016-07-11&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=User:192.168.1.1 stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Unnecessary XNR from userspace to mainspace when the target article does not make sence as a root userpage. Also, IPs do not generally have user pages. P p p  e r  y   (talk) 14:14, 12 July 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment. Normally when a root userpage redirects to the mainspace the best thing to do is to convert it to a soft redirect as it maintains the intended link but doesn't violate WP:ASTONISH or lead to people leaving messages for the user on an article talk page. However, this is not a normal IP talk page - 192.168.0.0/16 (which includes 192.168.1.1) is one of the IPv4 private network ranges (see Private network), and so there will never* be any edits to Wikipedia from this IP address. The mainspace page 192.168.1.1 also redirects to Private network (correctly in my opinion) and that is a more likely search term than the userspace page. I'm not sure what action I prefer to take here though. Thryduulf (talk) 19:36, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment User:127.0.0.1 has his own userpage (mainly for the purpose of telling admins not to block it). Not sure if something similar is necessary here. Other special IP addresses (e.g., the external-facing IP of a Wikimedia Foundation server) don't have a special userpage, just a notice on the talk page. Edits occasionally get misattributed to those addresses due to misconfigurations, but the equivalent hasn't happened with 192.168.1.1, apparently. 210.6.254.106 (talk) 06:25, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment That "user page" has a very weird edit history. Also, the links show the user signing occasional discussions, but there are zero edits in their contributions. Maybe a dummy account of some sort...? — Gorthian (talk) 03:26, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I've fixed the weirdest links, those to Talk:Philippines/Archive 9 and Edit filter/False positives/Archive 2. The rest are fine. Graham 87 13:31, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment I don't know the technical differences between the IP's, but would it be a good idea to retarget it to User:127.0.0.1? That page seems to have a good note/overview of that IP, and if this one is the same type of IP, it could be a helpful target. If not, someone could write a similar page over the redirect to explain the situation with this IP. -- Tavix ( talk ) 06:22, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Tavix ( talk ) 19:18, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
 * my understanding is that this isn't the same as 127.0.0.1 but it's not dissimilar. I'll post messages at WP:VPT and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Computing/Computer networking task force asking for knowledgeable input to this discussion. Thryduulf (talk) 19:33, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I was thinking the same thing. It's a good idea to get help on this one. -- Tavix ( talk ) 19:48, 22 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment This is not the same as the loopback address (127.0.0.1); This is part of the Reserved IP addresses space, it is a valid IP address for internal networks, but is not a valid IP address for the Public Internet. It is very unlikely to get an edit recorded from these addresses, but it could rarely happen, even where you would least expect it. —  xaosflux  Talk 23:26, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Remove redirect as unnecessary. Regarding the page itself: As the page has never been used as user page and could not permanently function in that manner, it could be deleted altogether. The user talk page has been used to issue a warning, probably as a result of a malfunction. The best way to go is probably delete and salt to make editors aware that warning this IP does not serve any useful purpose, but I'm not sure if this is within policy. Cheers, Pgallert (talk) 02:05, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. This is a confusing cross-namespace redirect, and it will only create more confusion if a glitch or WMF-local-network edit eventually does get attributed to the address. I see no point in leaving any page there, unless we plan to mass-create some sort of message for similar addresses (65k address in the 192.168.*.* range, a million addresses in the 172.16.*.* - 172.31.*.* range, and 16 million addresses in the 10.*.*.* range). Nope. Alsee (talk) 08:12, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per the above comments from Pgallert and Alsee. Given the number of addresses that a message would involve - more than three times as many as are articles, they would make up 30% of all pages on en.wp if I've done the maths right (and more for IPv6 addresses?). A message sounds like a good idea, but doing it this way is just not scaleable - some sort of MediaWiki message that the software added automatically to any user or user talk page for an address in the page might be possible I guess but that is way outside the scope of this discussion. Thryduulf (talk) 09:59, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
 * For the record I oppose salting as completely unnecessary. Thryduulf (talk)
 * Delete and Salt as an unneeded cross-namespace redirect. --Guy Macon (talk) 20:28, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Related: Administrators' noticeboard --Guy Macon (talk) 21:20, 23 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete - with the exception of articles which had originated in the userspace, and (if they exist) pages which are misnamed sue to technical reasons related to the userspace, we have no need for redirects from the userspace to the mainspace. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 21:09, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - Even if the backstory here is complicated, I think this all boils down to the fact that the redirect just isn't really helpful. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 09:27, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - serves no useful purpose. -- The Anome (talk) 13:40, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

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