Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 July 23

July 23
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on July 23, 2016.

Soul Mates (2014 film)

 * The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.


 * The result of the discussion was delete both. JohnCD (talk) 08:41, 1 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Soul Mates (2014 film) → Luke Greenfield (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Soul_Mates_(2014_film)&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-06-23&end=2016-07-22&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Soul_Mates_(2014_film) stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Soulmates (2014 film) → Luke Greenfield (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Soulmates_(2014_film)&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-06-23&end=2016-07-22&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Soulmates_(2014_film) stats])     [ Closure:  ]

I think these redirects may refer to this film, but I can't find a connection with Luke Greenfield, or any mention on Wikipedia for that matter. -- Tavix ( talk ) 23:00, 23 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Its journey started back in 2004, and it's apparently in production. Obviously, the title doesn't work. I think we should delete the redirects till there's some sort of actual film. — Gorthian (talk) 02:18, 25 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete no such film released in 2014. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:03, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
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Banjo- Tooie

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 * The result of the discussion was keep. We've established that this title is a typo that doesn't have anything else to refer to. Deryck C. 17:00, 1 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Banjo- Tooie → Banjo-Tooie (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Banjo-_Tooie&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-06-23&end=2016-07-22&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Banjo-_Tooie stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Unlikely redirect for hyphenated word. Slashme (talk) 19:47, 23 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Weak keep I see instances of the phrase with either a space or a hyphen, but never both. That leaves it as an unlikely punctuation variant. But then, the article has been around since 2005 and there might be external links leading to it. If there are such external links then it seems a bit strange that the redirect hadn't received any page views at all in the three months before an attempt was made a few days ago to turn it into a hoax article, which then started receiving, oddly enough, almost as many views as its target.|Banjo-Tooie Uanfala (talk) 22:34, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep, per WP:CHEAP. It is clear that this redirect is intended for Banjo-Tooie and it is not unthinkable that a reader would incidentally would use a space between the dash and Tooie. Deleting the redirect would mean the reader would wind up at the search results page. soetermans . ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 09:06, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
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Uryan
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 August 1%23Uryan

Perpetual energy

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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus. I'll let the dab stand. --BDD (talk) 15:33, 1 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Perpetual energy → Renewable energy (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Perpetual_energy&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-06-15&end=2016-07-14&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Perpetual_energy stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Not sure this is what's right for this topic. Elvey (t•c) 00:36, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment my first thought is a dab page between the current target and Perpetual motion. Thryduulf (talk) 01:49, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Possibly worth adding an entry for Perpetual Energy Inc, a company owned by Clay Riddell? Uanfala (talk) 12:04, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
 * There are a couple of other possible entries I've found too, so I've drafted at dab page beneath the redirect. It will need significant cleanup before going live though. Thryduulf (talk) 12:25, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Dab looks promising. The Canadian company does have a ticker symbol on the TSE stock market but Clay Riddell seems to be the primary topic for that. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:55, 15 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Retarget to perpetual motion, the original target of this redirect. "Perpetual energy" would be hypothetical energy created by perpetual motion. It's not "renewable energy" because that's energy from a source that can be replenished...but the source isn't perpetual. Think of this in three separate categories: "unrenewable energy" (fossil fuels), where the energy source can only be used once before it's depleted; "renewable energy", which has a finite energy source, but it can be used over again; and perpetual energy, where there's an infinite energy source (but due to the laws of physics, that's not possible). (Source: Energy management degree.) If someone really thinks people are trying to find "Perpetual Energy Inc," I could support a hatnote. -- Tavix ( talk ) 21:46, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
 * It matters less what something is than what people are searching for, and while you are clearly correct on the former I don't think that is what everybody is looking for. There are about 6 entries on the draft dab page, although the current target, perpetual motion and free energy are the big three the others will be searched for by some people so any hatnote would need to point to the dab page anyway. Thryduulf (talk) 08:45, 16 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I hadn't yet looked at the dab when I wrote my previous post as I assumed it was just the three topics already mentioned. I support the disambiguation since there's other topics out there, but I do feel that perpetual motion would be the WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT. -- Tavix ( talk ) 20:35, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

OP here. I think the dab page Thryduulf made is great. Given Tavix's last comment, I think we have consensus to close, replacing the redirect with the dab. -- Elvey (t•c) 07:48, 18 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I think we have consensus that a disambiguation page is needed, however Tavix and I disagree on whether there is a primary topic or not. Tavix thinks the redirect should point to perpetual motion linking to disambiguation at Perpetual energy (disambiguation), whereas I think the disambiguation should replace the redirect. Thryduulf (talk) 09:03, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Dabify per Thryduulf., I disagree that perpetual motion is a primary redirect. The phrase "perpetual energy" is just confusing enough that I can imagine some people equating it with "renewable energy". I think the dab page would help resolve any confusion a searcher would have. — Gorthian (talk) 17:38, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BDD (talk) 14:19, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Retarget to perpetual motion as what appears to be a case of WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT, while I don't have any objections to making some kind of disambiguation page and delving into particulars there CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 09:41, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Retarget to perpetual motion per above. There's a hatnote pointing to the dab there so readers can easily go to their intended article anyways. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 01:26, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
 * The hatnote there shows Perpetual motion (disambiguation); we would need to add another to Perpetual energy (disambiguation). — Gorthian (talk) 04:03, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Indeed I think at hatnote at Perpetual motion, if this is redirected there, would need to be "Perpetual energy redirects here, it should not be confused with Renewable energy. For other uses see Perpetual energy (disambiguation) as there are two about equal primary meanings of "perpetual energy" and a few lesser ones. Looking at Google, one of the main things people mean by this is actually "Free energy", which is itself a dab page so by retargetting this at Perpetual motion we are requiring a not insignificant number of people take 3 clicks to get where they want. There really is no primary topic here. Thryduulf (talk) 10:05, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
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Tommy Stout

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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to Ding Dong Bell. JohnCD (talk) 08:43, 1 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Tommy Stout → Tom Stout (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tommy_Stout&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-06-23&end=2016-07-22&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Tommy_Stout stats])     [ Closure:  ]

This is a redirect to a Minnesota politician, but I can't find evidence of him being referred to as "Tommy". Almost all the searches on the name return Ding Dong Bell, where "Tommy Stout" is a character in at least one version of the rhyme. I very nearly boldly retargeted this, but there could be something I'm missing? Thryduulf (talk) 12:43, 23 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Ding Dong Bell. In my first ten pages of Google Books results I see fewer than a dozen hits which aren't about the nursery rhyme character. Pretty clear WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT. As for the current target, random diminutives aren't appropriate redirects in the absence of evidence that the target actually used that specific diminutive (see e.g. the Billy Bentinck discussion from May). 210.6.254.106 (talk) 03:24, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Ding Dong Bell as there doesn't seem to be evidence that the "Tom Stout" individual uses the "Tommy" nickname. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 14:22, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
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