Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 June 13

June 13
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on June 13, 2016.

IPad (2nd generation)

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 * The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) SST  flyer  06:12, 18 June 2016 (UTC)


 * IPad (2nd generation) → IPad 2 (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=IPad_(2nd_generation)&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-05-14&end=2016-06-12&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=IPad_(2nd_generation) stats])     [ Closure:  ]

The iPad 2 is not called the "2nd generation iPad", but rather "iPad 2". 63.251.215.25 (talk) 20:17, 13 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom and vague. With naming schemes for products such as 6s for iphones, it is unclear that the number maps directly to which generation. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 20:43, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is actually a plausible R from erroneous name search term, given that the target is the 2nd version of the iPad and the term falls in line with the way Apple names their iPod Touch product line. (See List of iOS devices for further information.) Steel1943  (talk) 20:57, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
 * It depends on how it's been marketed in the press. If they've used xth generation product extensively then retain this. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 21:49, 13 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep per Steel1943. Apple has used a similar naming conventions for other product lines, so a plausible search term. PaleAqua (talk) 05:19, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep This term shows up all over in a Google search, mostly on eBay, Amazon, etc. It's obviously used by lots of people, so it makes sense to redirect a search to the iPad 2 page. Also, at least 10 articles (not including the Apple Inc. hardware navbox) link to that term, including Outline of iOS. — Gorthian (talk) 19:12, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * striking my vote above. I'm not sure about having (3rd generation), (4th generation), and so forth when they rename the product. At least with 2nd generation there's a primary topic to retarget to. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 19:50, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
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Ozzy Osbourne (religion)

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 * The result of the discussion was delete. Patar knight - chat/contributions 00:13, 20 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Ozzy Osbourne (religion) → Ozzy Osbourne (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ozzy_Osbourne_(religion)&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-05-14&end=2016-06-12&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Ozzy_Osbourne_(religion) stats])     [ Closure:  ]

I'm pretty sure Ozzy Osbourne is not a religion. -- Tavix ( talk ) 20:02, 13 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. Not independently notable.  AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 20:30, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom, If Ozzy Osbourne's a religion then I'm Jesus himself. – Davey 2010 Talk 14:21, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as confusing -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:08, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
 * So, do they eat doves at worship services? delete Oiyarbepsy (talk) 03:21, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
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Index of urban studies articles

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 * The result of the discussion was restore article since this redirect has arisen from a WP:BOLD act that was challenged in this RfD. Interested editors are welcome to send the index article to WP:AfD. Deryck C. 10:41, 21 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Index of urban studies articles → Category:Urban studies and planning (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Index_of_urban_studies_articles&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-05-14&end=2016-06-12&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Index_of_urban_studies_articles stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Not sure why we have a soft redirect to a local page. The page should either be changed to a normal (hard) redirect or deleted. I don't see why someone would look for this category under this name in the article namespace, so deletion might be the best choice. Stefan2 (talk) 17:20, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Revert to July 22, 2015 version. That's the last version of the page before it was turned into a redirect without discussion. - Eureka Lott 18:34, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
 * re-target (cross-namespace) or delete. I "turned it into a redirect" for a reason. It the reason is less than obvious to you, you are more than welcome to seek discussion. Ok, since you implicitly asked for such a discussion: we have the Categorization system, which is dedicated to collecting articles on a specific topic and listing them alphabetically. Then we have the Contents namespace, which is dedicated to giving structured information about Wikipedia content. There is no conceivable reason whatsoever why WP:MAINSPACE should be used to give an alphabetic list of articles on Wikipedia. If you structure the list, you might arguably go and maintain a Contents: namespace thing. If you aren't going to structure and maintain it, this is what we have the categorization system for. If you disagree with any of this, I would be genuinely interested in your rationale, because afaics all I am doing is recounting basic facts about how information is maintained in Wikipedia quite apart from any topical or content related concerns. --dab (𒁳) 08:05, 14 June 2016 (UTC)


 * You know how things work here, so I'm surprised to see you offer such a specious argument. I'm sure you're aware that lists and categories complement each other and shouldn't be considered in conflict, and that indexes are an entirely valid form, and that unilaterally erasing a longstanding page and replacing it with a cross-namespace redirect is probably a bad idea. What gives? - Eureka Lott 23:35, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
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Pantywaist (slang)

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 * The result of the discussion was delete. JohnCD (talk) 20:32, 20 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Pantywaist (slang) → wiktionary:pantywaist (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pantywaist_(slang)&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-05-14&end=2016-06-12&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Pantywaist_(slang) stats])     [ Closure:  ]

WP:NOTDICTIONARY, so it doesn't seem useful to redirect to a dictionary either. Stefan2 (talk) 17:17, 13 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Redirect to bodysuit. Pantywaist (a woman's garment comprising a top or blouse with panties attached to the waistband) was originally a redirect to bodysuit, but some other user called Boleyn was convinced that the only definition was slang for an effeminate man, and deleted most of the other redirects.


 * Delete. Pageviews show that it was consistently getting 0 hits a month before the recent flair up . There doesn't seem to be a good on-wiki target, and there seems to be no one searching for this, so a soft redirect per WP:NOTDIC nad Template:Wiktionary Redirect is unwarranted. Patar knight - chat/contributions 17:41, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
 * FWIW, the redirect was created in April, which would explain the stats. -- Tavix ( talk ) 20:04, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Ah missed that. Still not a likely search term though. --- Patar knight - chat/contributions 20:26, 13 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete, redirects to Wiktionary should only be used for common search terms; redirects with disambiguators are not common search terms. -- Tavix ( talk ) 20:04, 13 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete not a dictionary. Here's a blog that connects the slang term in case someone feels like it would be notable enough for an article although that would be first for the general term and not the slang. AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 20:40, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. Pantywaist is already a Wiktionary redirect, this is totally unnecessary. 210.6.254.106 (talk) 03:34, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
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Lawyerdvrao

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 * The result of the discussion was delete. [It redirected to page deleted by AfD] Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:08, 18 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Lawyerdvrao → D.V. Rao (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lawyerdvrao&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-05-14&end=2016-06-12&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Lawyerdvrao stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Unexpected typo. The only person who might look for the article under this title is probably the original author, but he has already found the new location as he has edited the page at that location. Stefan2 (talk) 17:14, 13 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete Implausible search for something that looks more like someone's username. AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 17:17, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment The page this redirects to is being discussed for deletion at Articles for deletion/D.V. Rao.
 *  Speedy Delete Speedy delete under WP:SPEEDY. -- Gestrid (talk) 22:57, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: R3 doesn't apply to redirects created as the result of a page move. -- Tavix ( talk ) 02:00, 14 June 2016 (UTC)


 *  Speedy Delete per WP:SPEEDY . -- Notecardforfree (talk) 23:14, 13 June 2016 (UTC) Amending vote to normal delete per Tavix's explanation above. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 02:18, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as unlikely synonym -- Lenticel ( talk ) 01:46, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Note that the article that this redirects to is currently being discussed for deletion at Articles for deletion/D.V. Rao. Also note that the user that originally created this article has been indeffed for several reasons, including sockpuppeting, disruptive editing, and blatant advertising. -- Gestrid (talk) 15:28, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
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Great bluedini

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 * The result of the discussion was no consensus, though refine to Kool-Aid. --BDD (talk) 15:11, 29 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Great bluedini → Kool-Aid (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Great_bluedini&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-05-07&end=2016-06-05&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Great_bluedini stats])     [ Closure:  ]

This seems to be a flavor of Kool-Aid. The redirect is not mentioned in the article. Since the flavor is  seems not notable  and seems to not be mentioned in the article , this subject seems only appropriate for a Kool-Aid-specific web site. So, delete per WP:NOTWIKIA. Steel1943 (talk) 20:09, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
 * (Comments struck out per Shoy's comment below.) Steel1943  (talk) 16:34, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete per nom, oh yeah! Also WP:NOTCATALOG <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 01:08, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep It's listed in Kool-Aid, albeit properly hyphenated. shoy (reactions) 16:00, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

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 * The problem is that there's no history behind the naming or notability of the flavors such as with Cherry Garcia and thus it fits a catalog scheme. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:06, 13 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Weak delete. Ehh, I'd be more prone to keep it if it were formatted correctly, but we really don't have any information on this specific flavor. I would assume it's blue, but even that's misleading since it "magically changes colors" (hence the -dini suffix). -- Tavix ( talk ) 16:45, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment - It is seemingly unambiguous. If someone came across this flavor used vaguely, this would allow them to identify the subject. Dashes are often left out erroneously. However, we really don't have any information on this specific flavor and it changes colors (as Tavix said), making its helpfulness questionable. — Godsy (TALK<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;"> CONT ) 04:11, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. Unambiguously refers to the flavour, and the only thing in the target article is that it's a Kool-aid flavour. Marginally useful for those who didn't know that. Patar knight - chat/contributions 17:54, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
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Koolaidguy
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. Patar knight - chat/contributions 00:13, 20 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Koolaidguy → Kool-Aid Man (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Koolaidguy&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-05-14&end=2016-06-12&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Koolaidguy stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Seems implausible, especially in absence of redirects like Kool-Aid Guy or Kool Aid Guy. --BDD (talk) 13:41, 13 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom as that is styled like a username. News articles use Kool-Aid guy though so I agree that redirect is more suitable. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 15:44, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete unless someone can show sources in the real world that style his name as "Koolaidguy." -- Notecardforfree (talk) 23:16, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
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Christo-
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ( talk ) 00:33, 23 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Christo- → wiktionary:Christo- (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Christo-&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-05-05&end=2016-06-03&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Christo- stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Unhelpful redirect to wiktionary. Previously pointed to Christo (disambiguation), equally unhelpful since it only lists people with this name. Suggest delete. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 18:01, 4 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete no target for names that would have the hyphen. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 19:55, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
 * I just don't see any uses for this as a prefix. Even at wiktionary https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:English_words_prefixed_with_Christo- the only one is Christo-Islamic or Christo-Muslim and those do not have articles here. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF  ( bark  •  sniff ) 01:56, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

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 * Keep or Retarget to Christianity About 5 hits a month for this soft redirect. This would meet the criteria for a Wiktionary redirect Template:Wiktionary redirect, unless people feel like Christianity is a suitable on-wiki target. Patar knight - chat/contributions 03:36, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

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 * Delete. I don't think a soft redirect to Wiktionary will help readers here. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 23:18, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
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Worst tornados
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to Tornado records. --BDD (talk) 15:09, 29 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Worst tornados → List of F5 and EF5 tornadoes (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Worst_tornados&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-05-04&end=2016-06-02&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Worst_tornados stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Not sure if the target is the best target for this redirect. For one, this redirect may be better redirecting towards Tornado records. Steel1943 (talk) 20:35, 3 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Redirect per nom. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 23:21, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

<div class="xfd_relist" style="border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 25px;"> Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete as unhelpful given the ambiguity of "worst" and the misspelling of "tornadoes." -- Tavix ( talk ) 02:26, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

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 * Retarget per nom. New target allows more than qualifiers to look through than just most powerful and most fatalities caused by those most powerful. Also, "tornados" seems to either be an acceptable spelling as it is used by many reliable sources, or a common enough mistake that it's harmless to keep it: BBC:Storm-chasers film Kansas tornados, Calgary Metro:Weather advisories in Alberta due to potential tornados, Wall Street Journal: Rare Twin Tornadoes Caught on Film in Germany (version of the title cached on Google has it without the "e"; pretty cool video BTW), Stuff.co.nz: Lightning strikes 30,000 times and now for tornados Patar knight - chat/contributions 15:40, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
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Speciously
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Renationalizing
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 June 21%23Renationalizing

Abstract geometry
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. All participants are fine with deletion and most agree there's not a good retargeting option. -- Tavix ( talk ) 00:28, 21 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Abstract geometry → Pure mathematics (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Abstract_geometry&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-05-14&end=2016-06-12&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Abstract_geometry stats])     [ Closure:  ]

I don't think this is right. While there are certainly close relations, the concepts are distinct (we don't redirect "Japan" to "Asia".) Taku (talk) 00:52, 13 June 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete there are multiple targets. Geometric abstraction, Abstract differential geometry, Abstract math, Geometry (since it talks about it being abstract all over the article). <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 01:31, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
 * AngusWOOF provides a compelling argument for deletion, but I am willing to be convinced otherwise if other editors can demonstrate an appropriate target. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 03:49, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Redirect or delete. The term abstract geometry is used in education to refer Euclid's geometry, as opposed to practical or concrete geometry of real world objects, e.g., Core foundations of abstract geometry. For this sense of the term, a reasonable target might be Geometry, as that region of the article talks about practical vs axiomatic geometry. But the term could refer to other concepts. Hence I'd be OK with deletion, too.--Mark viking (talk) 04:02, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete or redirect. I agree with Mark Viking. The term abstract geometry is "Educationese" and is not mathematical terminology. It will be difficult to find an appropriate target among the math pages and Mark's suggestion is about the best that I can think of. --Bill Cherowitzo (talk) 20:47, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
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