Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 March 11

March 11
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on March 11, 2016.

May 2, 2011



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. Just Chilling (talk) 16:55, 26 March 2016 (UTC)


 * May 2, 2011 → Death of Osama bin Laden (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=May_2,_2011&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-02-10&end=2016-03-10&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=May_2,_2011 stats])     [ Closure:  ]

There's not a great deal of precedent on how to treat single-day redirects; see Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 December 24. While bin Laden's death was probably the single most notable event of that day, it also marked the start of the 2011 Germany E. coli O104:H4 outbreak. After thinking a moment, I could've told you bin Laden died in May 2011, but not the date; I don't think it's ubiquitous in the way 9/11 or even 7/7 are. Retargeting to May 2 is an option if we take that earlier date as precedent, but we might also deem bin Laden's death a sort of WP:PRIMARYTOPIC here. BDD (talk) 21:54, 11 March 2016 (UTC)


 * 2011 (which is where May 2011 points) might be a suitable target. - Eureka Lott 03:56, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I guess single-date redirects have an WP:XY problem with Month Day vs. Month Year. In this case, there's more relevant content at May 2, but there's no guarantee that would be the case with other dates, or even that it always will be with this one. --BDD (talk) 13:18, 14 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete. We do not need to spoon feed readers, mostly so when we do not even have a good clue of what they are looking for and we are sure they are perfectly capable of serching for it - Nabla (talk) 11:54, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Not opposed. --BDD (talk) 18:25, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
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Coffity



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 * The result of the discussion was delete - Nabla (talk) 11:50, 25 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Coffity → Death of Osama bin Laden (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Coffity&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-02-10&end=2016-03-10&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Coffity stats])     [ Closure:  ]

This took some digging. Coffity is a restaurant in Abbottabad, but it's not mentioned at the target article, and probably never was (it wasn't there when the redirect was created). The redirect is tagged as of interest to WikiProject Uttar Pradesh (India); I have no idea why. BDD (talk) 21:48, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as potential article although we might need to get a local editor to help us with that. According to this source, it became an improvised newsroom for media people due to access to free WiFi and to the locals. -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:27, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as per nom CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 02:54, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
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Peyton Manning sexual assault controversy



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. To address QuackGuru below (I can't tell if that was a question or a statement), a redirect can indeed be deleted here regardless of how much history it may have. Editors are free to argue that those with substantial history should actually be retargeted or whatever, but if someone turns an article into a redirect and that's not reversed through BRD, sure, it can end up here. I'd suggest, however, that it's bad form for the same user to redirect and then nominate here, which would give the appearance of an end-run around AfD. --BDD (talk) 18:57, 18 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Peyton Manning sexual assault controversy → Peyton Manning (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Peyton_Manning_sexual_assault_controversy&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-02-10&end=2016-03-10&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Peyton_Manning_sexual_assault_controversy stats])     [ Closure:  ]


 * Delete. per WP:BLP, WP:NOTNEWS, and WP:UNDUE. Mr Ernie (talk) 19:47, 11 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete. Wikipedia is not news. There are BLP concerns with the redirect. QuackGuru  ( talk ) 19:50, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. The article does discuss accusations, but the word "controversy" implies culpability. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 19:59, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per requirements of WP:BLP regarding use of "assault" (as an accusation of a specific crime) where there is insufficient reliable sourcing to make any claim that this is past simple "mooning" and no civil nor criminal actions treating this incident as a "crime" are shown. Collect (talk) 20:27, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:34, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete Lizard  (talk) 05:27, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete Violates WP:BLP, WP:UNDUE, and of course WP:POVFORK. Tracescoops (talk) 05:39, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Note. There is an article in the edit history. An admin can decide if it is appropriate to delete a redirect even if there is an article that was redirected without a merge or AFD discussion. To be clear, I reverted User:Graeme Bartlett and asked at the BLP noticeboard if the redirect can be nominated for deletion. QuackGuru  ( talk ) 17:12, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. & all of the above.--JayJasper (talk) 18:51, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
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Thoughtful conservatism



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 * The result of the discussion was delete - Nabla (talk) 11:47, 25 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Thoughtful conservatism → Compassionate conservatism (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Thoughtful_conservatism&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-02-10&end=2016-03-10&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Thoughtful_conservatism stats])     [ Closure:  ]

I'm not convinced that there is any discreet school of thought known as "thoughtful conservatism", nor that it would necessarily be synonymous with compassionate conservatism. It's not mentioned at the target article. BDD (talk) 14:38, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - You could put any positive adjective before an ideology and do this ("thoughtful socialism", "positive liberalism", "contemplative progressivism", etc). As pointed out above, there's not a school of thought that's really used this as a term. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 02:57, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Yeah. To use a Wiktionary standard, it's not an idiomatic phrase. Social conservatism means something; it's not just "conservatism" which is "social". By contrast, I don't think this means anything besides conservatism someone thinks is "thoughtful". --BDD (talk) 15:56, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
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Progressive conservatism
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 March 24%23Progressive conservatism)

Talk:Ferdinand Ries Symphony No. 7



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 * The result of the discussion was Blanked the page. (non-admin closure) Steel1943  (talk) 17:11, 11 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Talk:Ferdinand Ries Symphony No. 7 → Ferdinand Ries Symphony No. 7 (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ferdinand_Ries_Symphony_No._7&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-02-10&end=2016-03-10&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Talk:Ferdinand_Ries_Symphony_No._7 stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Inappropriate redirect. We don't redirect the talk page of an article to the article itself. Stefan2 (talk) 13:01, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - What a strange and highly unhelpful redirect. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 13:08, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
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Progenitors



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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to progenitor. (non-admin closure) -- Tavix ( talk ) 03:35, 18 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Progenitors → Progenitor cell (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Progenitors&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-02-10&end=2016-03-10&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Progenitors stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Retarget to Progenitor as R from plural. Added a hatnote at each target which serves to disambiguate. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 06:13, 11 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Support Seems entirely reasonable to me. --Mark viking (talk) 18:25, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Retarget to progenitor per nom. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 18:45, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Retarget per nom -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:34, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Retarget to progenitor as a R from plural -- 70.51.46.39 (talk) 05:12, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Retarget to progenitor as per the above reasons CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 22:41, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
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Pi5



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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to Phosphorus pentaiodide. (non-admin closure) sst✈  16:08, 18 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Pi5 → Pink Floyd (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pi5&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-02-10&end=2016-03-10&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Pi5 stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Would Pi5 Orionis be a better target? sst✈ 05:40, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Phosphorus pentaiodide which is PI5 -- 70.51.46.39 (talk) 05:56, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Phosphorus pentaiodide as plausible misspelling -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:28, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
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Seongoo Kim



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 18:53, 18 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Seongoo Kim → Kim Seong-su (disambiguation) (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Seongoo_Kim&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-02-10&end=2016-03-10&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Seongoo_Kim stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Delete as an implausible misspelling. Seongoo Kim 김선구 versus Kim Seong-su 김성수. Sawol (talk) 05:39, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
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Hari Georgeson



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 * The result of the discussion was keep. Treat this as a withdrawal as I now see how this redirect is useful. (non-admin closure) sst✈  16:11, 18 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Hari Georgeson → George Harrison (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hari_Georgeson&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-02-10&end=2016-03-10&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Hari_Georgeson stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Not really a useful search term. sst✈ 05:27, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - It's a pseudonym that the artist used to describe himself, for example on the release Shankar Family & Friends (see here). As a redirect, this is highly useful. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 13:11, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
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Mexican grand family



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 * The result of the discussion was withdrawn. Steel1943  (talk) 18:03, 17 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Mexican grand family → Extended family (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mexican_grand_family&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-02-10&end=2016-03-10&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Mexican_grand_family stats])     [ Closure:  ]

"Grand family" doesn't appear be a term used in anthropological kinship. Perhaps it is based on a literal translation. At the least, not a common synonym. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 03:40, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. The term is mentioned at the target (see Extended family), and the term does appear in several sociology textbooks (see, e.g., David Cheal's Family: Critical Concepts in Sociology). -- Notecardforfree (talk) 18:51, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I changed that occurrence to "extended". I unified terminology to be consistent within the article when I merged the Mexico content there from a stub, I missed that one. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 20:38, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * , did you delete the term because it was used improperly in the article? It seems like the term "grand family" is a term used fairly frequently in sociological literature to describe a specific family dynamic that exists in Mexico (see, e.g., the book listed in my previous post as well as this book, this book, and this book). If a reader wants to know more about the term, I think that we should direct them to an article that talks about familial dynamics in Mexico. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 01:18, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I removed it because, if I remember correctly, it was never defined. If you want to throw a couple of those sources in as references in and describe the term within the section, I'll go ahead and withdraw this nomination. Regards, — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 02:16, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
 * I added a paragraph to Extended family that describes the concept of the "grand family." Let me know if you think I should include anything else. Best, -- Notecardforfree (talk) 22:07, 13 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Withdrawn per the developments in the above discussion. — Godsy (TALK<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;"> CONT ) 23:29, 13 March 2016 (UTC)
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Soul pond frogs
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 18:52, 18 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Soul pond frogs → Seoul frog (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Soul_pond_frogs&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-02-10&end=2016-03-10&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Soul_pond_frogs stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Soul pond frog → Seoul frog (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Soul_pond_frog&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-02-10&end=2016-03-10&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Soul_pond_frog stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Soul frogs → Seoul frog (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Soul_frogs&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-02-10&end=2016-03-10&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Soul_frogs stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Soul frog → Seoul frog (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Soul_frog&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-02-10&end=2016-03-10&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Soul_frog stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Sole pond frog → Seoul frog (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sole_pond_frog&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-02-10&end=2016-03-10&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Sole_pond_frog stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Sole frogs → Seoul frog (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sole_frogs&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-02-10&end=2016-03-10&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Sole_frogs stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Sole frog → Seoul frog (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sole_frog&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-02-10&end=2016-03-10&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Sole_frog stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Let's not spread error. (Neelix) sst✈  01:54, 11 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete all. Agree with nominator that this is spreading error. Since the frog only exists in Korea this is not a likely typo or homonymic error, and in fact "soul frog" has a completely different meaning (cf. Google). Softlavender (talk) 03:14, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete all agree these are not helpful at all. Legacypac (talk) 06:04, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Check it out now, the funk soul pond frog... --BDD (talk) 19:23, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete all - not a French soul singer, and not a frog all on its own. Neelix seems to have a fetish for adding "pond" to generic frog names. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 20:02, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete all per above -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:29, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
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