Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 March 3

March 3
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on March 3, 2016.

Joe Riley (footballer)



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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to Joe Riley, R from incomplete disambiguation. -- Tavix ( talk ) 21:28, 10 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Joe Riley (footballer) → Joe Riley (footballer, born 1991) (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Joe_Riley_(footballer)&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-02-02&end=2016-03-02&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Joe_Riley_(footballer) stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Per Partially disambiguated page names, this partial disambiguation should not be used to redirect to a specific article, as neither footballer is the primary topic of Joe Riley. Instead it should redirect to Joe Riley (disambiguation). Joseph2302 (talk) 22:07, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Support – We should make sure that there are no current links to "Joe Riley (footballer)", because some links may still point their being the original article title for one of the footballers. When all links has been sorted, it should instead redirect to "Joe Riley" ("Joe Riley (disambiguation)" is a redirect itself to "Joe Riley"). Qed237&#160;(talk) 22:17, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment Fixed all the redirects to Joe Riley (footballer) (minus the ones in archived talkpages that don't need fixing). Also agree with redirecting to Joe Riley, to avoid double redirect. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:45, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. --BDD (talk) 21:01, 4 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Support - neither footballer is a primary topic. GiantSnowman 22:50, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
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RODHAM



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 * The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) -- Tavix ( talk ) 21:09, 10 March 2016 (UTC)


 * RODHAM → Rodham (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=RODHAM&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-02-02&end=2016-03-02&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=RODHAM stats])     [ Closure:  ]

WP:RCAPS: Not an abbreviation and lacking affinity. Software automatically redirects all-cap titles to titles with no-extra-caps (first letter is always capitalized), so the redirect is useless. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 04:33, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Weak keep WP:CHEAP R from alternate capitalization "Rodham" is a surname, and a common way to write surnames is to capitalize it completely. (ie. "Tony RODHAM"; or "RODHAM, Tony") -- 70.51.46.39 (talk) 04:59, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep because "RODHAM" is not an acronym for anything on Wikipedia. sst✈  06:06, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep and tag as R from alternate capitalization -- Lenticel  ( talk ) 00:24, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep-Cheap. Steel1943  (talk) 16:53, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
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Mexicp



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 * The result of the discussion was delete all. A 2:1 majority favouring deletion in general requires the closing admin to take action unless there's a particularly compelling argument from the minority. My reading of the discussion below is that the arguments for keeping the redirects are self-admittedly weaker, based on WP:CHEAP; whereas the arguments for deletion argued a more policy-grounded case of why R from misspelling shouldn't apply and how these redirects have been made unnecessary by the latest Wikipedia search box. Deryck C. 23:54, 12 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Mexicp → Mexico (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mexicp&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-02-02&end=2016-03-02&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Mexicp stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Jerseu → Jersey (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jerseu&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-02-02&end=2016-03-02&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Jerseu stats])     [ Closure:  ]
 * Broo, → Broom (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Broo,&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-02-02&end=2016-03-02&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Broo, stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Typo redirects based on proximity of other letter keys on a standard qwerty keyboard. Mexici and Jerset are red (broon is a disambiguation of other meanings), which are left on the keyboard as opposed to right. I remember discussions on similar redirects in the past, but I can't recall how they've went. — Godsy (TALK CONT ) 04:24, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Weak keep WP:CHEAP R from typo, QWERTY keyboards are the defacto standard keyboards for the English language world; WP:OTHERSTUFF Just because other typos are redlinked is not a reason for deletion; the comma key "," is not next to the "n" key, so it is not relevant that "broon" is also an article, in a proximity typo context, since the key next to "n" is "m"/"b" and not "," -- 70.51.46.39 (talk) 05:01, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete, junk redirects that are unnecessary with a good search engine. Broo, can just as easily be Brook since the k is on top of the comma, for example. -- Tavix ( talk ) 05:10, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Forgot to mention something along the lines of your first point: the search engine already suggests the targets which the redirects point to. — Godsy (TALK<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;"> CONT ) 05:16, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Just to play around some more, I could argue that Mexicp is actually a typo for Mexica since the a and p are visually similar letters. Jerseu could be someone attempting to spell Jerusalem, but gave up after they couldn't figure out where the u went. -- Tavix ( talk ) 13:25, 3 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete I don't think that "R from misspelling" should apply here. This is not made explicit on the template documentation, but I read it as being from plausible, intentional misspellings. For instance, I might conceivably think that "Orleans" was spelled "Orleens"; but not that it is spelled "Prleans." So, the first redirect should exist, but not the second. Extending that logic, none of these redirects are actually serving any constructive purpose; if somebody actually typed "Mexicp", they can correct themselves easily enough. Vanamonde93 (talk) 06:28, 3 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep the easy typos in terms of 'Jersey' and 'Mexico', as redirects are cheap and these are reasonable enough mistakes, while deleting the 'Broo,' redirect since it could be either Brook or Broom equally. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 06:32, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete all per Vanamonde93. Plausible typos are for those likely to be misspelled for some valid reason, not for every conceivable keying error. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 15:42, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete all per Ivanvector. Steel1943  (talk) 16:54, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * keep first two per WP:CHEAP, delete Broo,. MB298 (talk) 01:04, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete all per Vanamonde93. We shouldn't be promoting the "it doesn't matter if you make mistakes" attitude. Jeh (talk) 21:16, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
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Greece.
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 20:49, 12 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Greece. → Greece (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Greece.&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-02-02&end=2016-03-02&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Greece. stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Titles are not in sentence format, WP:TITLEFORMAT. Seemingly implausible. — Godsy (TALK<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;"> CONT ) 04:14, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per the result of Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 August 3 -- Tavix ( talk ) 05:04, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Weak keep WP:CHEAP R from typo error in wikilink placement by including the period of an end of sentence; possibly retarget to Greece (disambiguation); Could be cause by a grammar checker moving the punctuation into the bracketed section -- 70.51.46.39 (talk) 05:05, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
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Back Obama
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 20:46, 12 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Back Obama → Barack Obama (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Back_Obama&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-02-02&end=2016-03-02&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Back_Obama stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Implausible, WP:R. — Godsy (TALK<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;"> CONT ) 04:09, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Maybe it's because he's back for a second term? -- Tavix ( talk ) 05:23, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete purpose unclear.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:59, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as vague. It can be a misspelling but it can also pertain to Obama's back -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:25, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Or back, i.e. support, with the words in order. — Godsy (TALK<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;"> CONT ) 04:25, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete: too vague, not useful.--Ddcm8991 (talk) 17:58, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete for the above reasons CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 12:53, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
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Mr. Obama
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 * The result of the discussion was keep. (non-admin closure) -- Tavix ( talk ) 21:13, 10 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Mr. Obama → Barack Obama (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mr._Obama&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-02-02&end=2016-03-02&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Mr._Obama stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Same issue as Ms. Rodham and Mr. Trump. Could equally refer to Barack Obama, Sr. Bad title for disambiguation. — Godsy (TALK<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;"> CONT ) 04:03, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep Obama redirects to Barack Obama so there is no reason why "Mr." shouldn't as well. In any case, it should be kept, since as an ambiguity it can be retargetted to Obama (disambiguation) if it isn't a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC redirect to Barack. -- 70.51.46.39 (talk) 05:08, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep this seems correct per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC.-- — Preceding unsigned comment added by TonyTheTiger (talk • contribs) 19:58, 3 March 2016‎ (UTC)
 * Keep per above reasons -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:40, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep per reasons stated above. WP:PRIMARYTOPIC appears to be correctly applied here.--Ddcm8991 (talk) 18:02, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
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Mr. Trump
Relisted, see Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 March 12%23Mr. Trump

Hillary C
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 20:45, 12 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Hillary C → Hillary Clinton (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hillary_C&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-02-02&end=2016-03-02&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Hillary_C stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Vague: Hillary Coast, Hillary Carlip, Hillary Chute..... Disambiguation is unnecessary for this page title: Any other case of name and initial combinations could be done this way, and as multiple subjects generally exist (except for rare cases when subjects are notably known in this manner), it is unsuitable. — Godsy (TALK<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;"> CONT ) 03:33, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete vague, per nom -- 70.51.46.39 (talk) 05:09, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete due to vagueness, although I'm also oddly reminded of the drink Hi-C for some reason... CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 07:30, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete ambig.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:00, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete as vague -- Lenticel ( talk ) 00:25, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete too vague, not useful.--Ddcm8991 (talk) 18:06, 4 March 2016 (UTC)--Ddcm8991 (talk) 18:06, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
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