Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 May 11

May 11
This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on May 11, 2016.

~*~ StAr TrEk InTo DaRkNeSs ~*~
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New speak



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 * The result of the discussion was keep. JohnCD (talk) 09:03, 19 May 2016 (UTC)


 * New speak → Newspeak (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=New_speak&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-11&end=2016-05-10&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=New_speak stats])     [ Closure:  ]

The whole point of Newspeak is to conjoin words, it makes no sense to kinda then separate them out again. See Appendix B of Nineteen-Eighty Four. This is not a Neelix one but is a bit kinda nonsense. Of course we can mark as or whatever but this makes kinda completely the opposite of what George Orwell was trying to say with the way language was being bowdlerized. You cannot do this, not even at Wikipedia. Si Trew (talk) 20:14, 11 May 2016 (UTC)


 * I don't really see the problem with it. You're arguing that it doesn't make sense from the perspective of someone who's read the book and understood Orwell's message, but people searching for the topic aren't necessarily in that position. It's a redirect, not the article title. And it gets views. —  Earwig   talk 20:54, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - I'm going to go with Earwig on this one. This redirect can be a symbolic monument to proletarian resistance within the context of Nineteen Eighty-Four, perhaps in which the proles go along with and exhibit blind obedience to Newspeak, but at the same time they res ist Big Bro Ther and the Par Ty and the thought pol ice and in stead of con join ing ev ery word to make a new sim pli fied ser ies of thought-lim it ing lang uage and di a lect, in stead they ram spa ces in to ev ery New Speak phrase to con fuse the hell out of ev ery one. But it's en tire ly sym bol ic be cause they most of ten don't write out what they're think ing a ny way. I Van Vec Tor (talk) 21:06, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. It's a plausible error to make. I feel like deleting this would be ironic, as if we're enabling the same type of language rules that Orwell warned against in Nineteen Eighty-Four. -- Tavix ( talk ) 00:21, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep plausible typo. - Champion (talk) (contribs) (Formerly TheChampionMan1234) 03:46, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
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Danton (film)



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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to Danton (disambiguation). --BDD (talk) 15:21, 19 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Danton (film) → Georges Danton (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Danton_(film)&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-11&end=2016-05-10&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Danton_(film) stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Georges Danton did not make the "Danton" films. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 16:33, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * This is simple case of incomplete disambiguation. The redirect to the disambiguation page was broken after Danton was changed to redirect to the person. older ≠ wiser 17:24, 11 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Retarget to Danton (disambiguation) and tag as R from incomplete disambiguation per older ≠ wiser. -- Tavix ( talk ) 03:49, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
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Move to commons



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. JohnCD (talk) 09:01, 19 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Move to commons → Wikipedia:Moving files to Commons (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Move_to_commons&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-11&end=2016-05-10&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Move_to_commons stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Cross namespace redirect, from article to WP space. Serves no purpose as an article, this isn't a notable encyclopedic topic outside of the WP community. It was listed here in 2008 with a close of "retarget to Wikimedia Commons", an outcome that hasn't been respected since. I think it might be better just deleting it altogether. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 15:47, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete WP:XNR. Non-notable topic for an article. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 20:34, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete; not relevant to non-editors. —  Earwig   talk 20:55, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - Moving things about and putting things in a "commons" is a concept that existed before the internet and still goes on. This redirect isn't right. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 06:36, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
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Star Wars: Bloodlines
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Black jacks



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 * The result of the discussion was delete as unopposed. Deryck C. 16:11, 23 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Black jacks → Black Jack (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Black_jacks&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-11&end=2016-05-10&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Black_jacks stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Now when I was a boy Black Jacks were a kinda aniseed chewy sweet (candy) made by Swizzels Matlow who make the best sweets ever you could get four for a penny. I am not sure this is the right target. (Oh Neelix redirect) Si Trew (talk) 15:01, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
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Miltonists



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 * The result of the discussion was withdrawn by nominator. (non-admin closure) -- Tavix ( talk ) 03:33, 12 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Miltonists → John Milton (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Miltonists&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-11&end=2016-05-10&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Miltonists stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Declined at CSD by User:Fences and windows (nice to see you by the way!) Neelix has a lot of ists and isms. My suggestion is that there is no kinda political or poetical movement called "Miltonist" so this is a bit of nonsense.


 * Terence this is stupid stuff
 * You eat your vittals fast enough
 * There can't be wrong with you I fear
 * To see the way you drink your beer
 * But as for all the verse you make
 * It gives a man the belly-ache
 * The cow, the old cow, she is dead
 * It hangeth off the horned head
 * It's our turn now to hear the vow
 * That yesterday killed the cow
 * And malt does more than Milton can
 * to justify God's ways to man
 * A. E. Housman A Shropshire Lad. That was the reference I meant. Just going from memory I have probably got it a bit wrong.Si Trew (talk) 13:51, 11 May 2016 (UTC) Si Trew (talk) 13:51, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * If there were any kind of miltonist movement it would be for J. M. Keynes the economist and it isn't. Oddly enough we don't seem to have John Milton Keynes as an R to there so we probably should, but this is just nonsense. It does not seem that the British New Town of Milton Keynes was named after him although you think it would be. Si Trew (talk) 13:54, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * That might be because his middle name is Maynard like the wine gums (not Milton). Confusing meself with this one now. Let's go there and back to see how far it is. Si Trew (talk) 13:58, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Simon didn't read my edit summary for Miltonist (also a redirect) properly, I said this was a term for scholars of Milton. "Miltonist" is explicitly used in the title of an article to refer to a Milton scholar here: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1094-348X.1976.tb00638.x/abstract. Also: http://news.stanford.edu/news/2013/february/martin-evans-obit-021513.html; http://news.yale.edu/2016/04/14/music-and-morality-mix-staged-reading-milton-s-comus; http://www.jstor.org/stable/2872026. Fences  &amp;  Windows  14:25, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I did read the discussion,I just happened to disagree with it. One of the most civil discussions I have seen on Wikipedia over the last few days. Withdrawn by nominator', Speedily keep please. User:Fences and windows has well sourced this so to my surprise it does seem a valid search term. Seems unlikely to me, but then I am just an idiot. Please speedily keep. Mark Miltonists as of course. Si Trew (talk) 14:43, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
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Bigend
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Nurumbega



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 * The result of the discussion was withdrawn by nominator. (non-admin closure) -- Tavix ( talk ) 01:21, 12 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Nurumbega → Norumbega (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nurumbega&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-11&end=2016-05-10&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Nurumbega stats])     [ Closure:  ]

(Neelix redirect) Should this go as to General Norumbega? Si Trew (talk) 11:42, 11 May 2016 (UTC) Si Trew (talk) 11:42, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Actually it goes by the same route so is perhaps blocking my search. The Nicaraguan chap. Si Trew (talk) 11:43, 11 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Nurembega was a common but old spelling for Norumbega. Doug Weller  talk 13:58, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I was thinking of General Noriega. Neelix redirects get you like that they are a bit mindnumbing after a while and you can't tell toffee from coffee. I think he wasn't even Nicaraguan but Argentinian or something. Speedily withdrawn by nominator namely me Si Trew (talk) 15:14, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Panamanian. I actually managed to find a nice Panama Straw hat so I look de rigueur with that on the top of me bald pate. My Winter one I just use to chuck in me wallet and keys and it is know to me and the missus as my "handbag" as it serves the same purpose. Si Trew (talk) 15:15, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
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River of hate



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 * The result of the discussion was keep. JohnCD (talk) 08:57, 19 May 2016 (UTC)


 * River of hate → Styx (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=River_of_hate&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-11&end=2016-05-10&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=River_of_hate stats])     [ Closure:  ]

(Neelix redirect) why would this be the river of hate?
 * O death where is thy sting-a-ling?
 * For you but not for me
 * My heart for you goes ting-a-ling-aling
 * But me and not for you

It is not really hateful to die, we are all going to get there someday. At least our legacy will have been making Wikipedia better, so we can notch up one to the doggy chap who carts you over. Kerberos wasn't it. I don't think that this river is in any way hateful it was just part of life and death.
 * In the midst of life we are in debt
 * ---Dorothy Parker Si Trew (talk) 11:31, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment it was Kerberos but that's a dab so apparently these days we spell it Cerberus. Another bit of madeup by Neelix I think. Si Trew (talk) 11:34, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment I note we do not have the Hounds of Hell which was used in Blackadder III' by Robbie Coltrane playing Samuel Johnson and I wonder if this roundabout way of doing this came from Neelix watching that. Si Trew (talk) 11:37, 11 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep as an epithet of Styx . Uanfala (talk) 11:51, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep per my comments in the previous discussion for this redirect (see Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2015_December_28), which was closed as keep. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 18:32, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - This linkage has been made by multiple sources in print. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 06:32, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
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Mother of Ants



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. Deryck C. 16:43, 23 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Mother of Ants → Amphisbaena (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mother_of_Ants&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-11&end=2016-05-10&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Mother_of_Ants stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Pinging User:Plantdrew and User:Peter coxhead. (Neelix redirect) Surely the mother of ants is kinda the queen insect I don't know what it would be called taxonomically. Si Trew (talk) 11:23, 11 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete? I wouldn't expect capitalized"Mother of Ants" to have anything to do with ant queens. Google hits are dominated by an album by a musician that we don't have an article on. I'm not having any luck finding sources that pre-date Wikipedia that list "Mother of Ants" as a term for Amphisbaena (and sources that post-date Wikipedia may have gotten that "fact" from here). There are some sources that list "mother of ants" as a term for New World snake. Here, it's two headed and obviously mythological. Here it's apparently one headed. And here it's clearly one headed (though it's "mater formicarum", not "mother of ants"). I think it's a mistake to equate a two-headed snake from New World mythology with a two-headed snake from Greek mythology. If there is a real snake called mother of ants, it's not clear what that snake is. No sourcing in the article, I'm not finding any source, so I think delete. 16:33, 11 May 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Plantdrew (talk • contribs)
 * Oh dear It seems we are just the Anthill Mob. (Chuckles). Si Trew (talk) 19:30, 11 May 2016 (UTC)


 * I'm going to go with Plantdrew, having found the same results, and go for deletion. Mangoe (talk) 00:56, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
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Shahistan
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Highest Pontiff



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 * The result of the discussion was withdrawn by nominator. (non-admin closure) -- Tavix ( talk ) 03:29, 12 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Highest Pontiff → Pontifex Maximus (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Highest_Pontiff&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-11&end=2016-05-10&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Highest_Pontiff stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Wouldn't this be The Pope? (neelix redirect) Si Trew (talk) 11:11, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Strong keep. As you'd know if you'd actually bothered to follow the link, this has nothing to do with Catholicism but is a title in the old Roman religion, most notably held by Julius Caesar; religious rules were set by pontiffs (along with the flamens), chaired by one Highest Pontiff. Entirely plausible search term. &#8209; Iridescent 11:20, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I did bother to follow the link. To me in the latin it was pushing it a bit but was not a hundred percent sure which is why I listed it at RfD rather than CSD. Speedily withdrawn by nom' if another ed says it's fine, it's fine. Si Trew (talk) 19:32, 11 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep Iridescent is quite right. Jschnur (talk) 21:53, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
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Suffusio nigra



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. JohnCD (talk) 08:56, 19 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Suffusio nigra → Cataract (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Suffusio_nigra&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-11&end=2016-05-10&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Suffusio_nigra stats])     [ Closure:  ]

(neelix redirect) I can see where this is coming from, a black suffusion, but it does not seem to be at the target. Not sure. Si Trew (talk) 10:20, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete- not a technical name for the condition it points to. Possibly a reference to blindness in Paradise Lost but it's not at that target either. WP:RFD. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 20:38, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * This is an old name for blindness caused by nerve damage, leaving the pupil black, not clouded as with a cataract. The current target is completely wrong, so delete, unless we have an article for this condition. It is not a reference to Paradise Lost. Gorobay (talk) 02:15, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
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The Crucified One



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 * The result of the discussion was keep. Deryck C. 16:24, 23 May 2016 (UTC)


 * The Crucified One → El Crucificado (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Crucified_One&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-11&end=2016-05-10&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=The_Crucified_One stats])     [ Closure:  ]

(neelix redirect). I can think of another bloke who was crucified and considering Neelix obsession with Christianity I am not sure why he couldn't. Probably Delete as WP:XY. Si Trew (talk) 09:36, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. This one seems plausible to me. The term is much more likely to refer to the play than to you know who (so not WP:XY). Jschnur (talk) 22:01, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. I don't think someone would use "The Crucified One" to try to find Jesus. The play, on the other hand, says it's known as "The Crucified One" in English. Sources are scant, but as long as we have the article, the redirect isn't actively harmful. Bonus: since Jesus is a character in the play, readers are only one click away from the 'other bloke.' -- Tavix ( talk ) 19:52, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. This is the English Wikipedia, and that is an English translation. Steel1943  (talk) 00:40, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
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Egnatian Way



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 * The result of the discussion was withdrawn by nominator. (non-admin closure) -- Tavix ( talk ) 03:26, 12 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Egnatian Way → Via Egnatia (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Egnatian_Way&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-11&end=2016-05-10&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Egnatian_Way stats])     [ Closure:  ]

No you can't do this. (Neelix redirect) User:BDD retargeted it and marked it as in Autumn 2015 but you can't do this it is not as if it is the Fosse Way or the Icknield Way, you can't just stick "way" on any via and pretend it is English, we would need RS for that. Anyway all roads lead to Rome as any fule kno. Si Trew (talk) 09:23, 11 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep. laudable as it is to work through identifying the many bogus redirects created by Neelix, it would be even better if you actually did some simple research before listing them here or at CSD. It's taken me two seconds to identify numerous English sources calling this the "Egnatian Way". Thanks  &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 17:39, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Speedily keep withdrawn by nominator (me). I do try to do a bit of homework but as you can imagine if I have to do seventy or eighty a day I can't check every single one, I call on other editors at RfD when I am not sure. Thanks, speedily keep. Si Trew (talk) 19:34, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * OK, fair enough. Thanks &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 09:05, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
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Nonliteracy



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 * The result of the discussion was delete. JohnCD (talk) 08:55, 19 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Nonliteracy → Literacy (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nonliteracy&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-11&end=2016-05-10&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Nonliteracy stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Retarget to User:Neelix. The usual English antonym is illiteracy. What would nonliteracy mean? Si Trew (talk) 09:20, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. No need for the dig at Neelix. See http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nonliterate. Fences  &amp;  Windows  14:31, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * C'mon. I am one of the few who actually realise that Neelix was absolutely in good faith in creating these, trying to make the encylopaedia better. To have an occasionall dig in the ribs I think is fair enough. I absolutely respect that Neelix was trying to make the encylopaedia better before the Wikipedia serch engine was at all any good but a lot now just inhibit the search engine. Saying "Neelix nonsense" or whatever is just Wikipedia jargon and shorthand for the WP:G6 "Neelix concession". I wish he were around to reply himself so I am very careful not to suggest that Neelix ever created these in bad faith, some are just wrong, that's all. Si Trew (talk) 07:00, 12 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete welcome to the job if cleaning up Neelix's fake words like Wankstain - not seen you comment on these before. I'd also support the retarget suggested. Legacypac (talk) 16:11, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - by usual English norms, it's entirely possible that "nonliteracy" would be a completely different thing than illiteracy, but it's made-up nonsense so we couldn't be sure. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 20:39, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
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Sitze im Leben
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 * The result of the discussion was keep. Deryck C. 16:28, 23 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Sitze im Leben → Sitz im Leben (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sitze_im_Leben&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-11&end=2016-05-10&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Sitze_im_Leben stats])     [ Closure:  ]

I think this is Neelix nonsense we have now in German but you can't kinda conjugate that way in German can you? Si Trew (talk) 09:19, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Sitze is plural. So the redirect version means Settings in Life rather than Setting in Life. Ich kann das glauben. Keep. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 02:42, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
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Quatrameter
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Estlin Cummings
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Long fellow
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 * The result of the discussion was retarget to Éamon de Valera. --BDD (talk) 16:53, 23 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Long fellow → Longfellow (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Long_fellow&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-11&end=2016-05-10&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Long_fellow stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Isn't a long fellow a man to be eaten by a cannibal or am I thinking of something else? (Neelix redirect) Si Trew (talk) Si Trew (talk) 02:33, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Disambiguate - The first association that comes to mind is actually prominent Irish historical figure Éamon de Valera. In that case, "Long Fellow" was/is a rather well-known nickname. It's even used in book titles, as with Big Fellow, Long Fellow. At the same time, a lot of people are merely making a typo in writing "Longfellow" as well as perhaps searching for some other politician, military leader, etc to use the "long fellow" moniker (I semi-remember seeing other examples somewhere before).
 * r.e. cannibalism, its that the fellow about to be eaten gets labeled "a piece of long pork" (allegedly, of course, with that catchphrase likely more an invention of horror movies than an actual saying). But that's really neither here nor there. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 07:48, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Long pork and Long pig already redirect to Cannibalism and get a mention in Cannibalism. Pam  D  09:20, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Retarget to Éamon de Valera. Actually, I'm pretty sure that de Valera is a clear-cut case of a primary target. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 06:35, 15 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Retarget, and Redirect "Long Fellow", to De Valera, after adding sourced nickname to the article. At present there's no mention of the nickname in De Valera's article but it seems well founded (also this). I hesitate to tread anywhere near Irish politics but someone might like to add the nickname to the biog and then make a dab. Pam  D  08:57, 11 May 2016 (UTC).
 * Dipping hesitant toe into the area: Talk:Éamon_de_Valera Pam  D  09:17, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Fine by me I am only from the United Kingdom and I think De Valera was the best Irish president or to achieve a settlement with Britain he was a stunningly good bloke so I have no side with with that, I am kinda declaring an interest as not being an Ulster Unionist or anything. As long as it is well sourced I don't think there can be any doubt on your call there . Good call. The cannibalists I was thinking of long pig. Neelix redirects get you like that sometimes. Si Trew (talk) 09:43, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
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Triple meters
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 20:04, 19 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Triple meters → Triple metre (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Triple_meters&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-11&end=2016-05-10&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Triple_meters stats])     [ Closure:  ]

No you can't do this (Neelix redirect). a metre in poetry in rhyme or music even in British English is spelled thus that is a "useful distinction" as H. W. Fowler puts it in Modern English Usage. You can't then go buggering about with it like this. Si Trew (talk) 02:22, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. JohnCD (talk) 08:21, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
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<span id="Silver Cross (Canada)">Silver Cross (Canada)
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 * The result of the discussion was withdrawn by nominator. (non-admin closure) -- Tavix ( talk ) 02:44, 12 May 2016 (UTC)


 * <span id="Silver Cross (Canada)">Silver Cross (Canada) → Memorial Cross (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Silver_Cross_(Canada)&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-11&end=2016-05-10&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Silver_Cross_(Canada) stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Pinging User:Ivanvector. Does this make any sense (neelix redirect) it is in the lede but the (Canada) at the back is what is worrying me. I am no numismatist so I think a second check on this one would help. In the UK a Silver Cross was a brand of pram or perambulator and we have a DAB at Silver Cross. Maybe swop over? nEELIX REDIRECT forgot to say. Si Trew (talk) 02:08, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - I think it's fine, actually I didn't know it's proper name was Memorial Cross. Every Remembrance Day they "award" someone the Silver Cross mother, the mother of one of the poor souls sent off to the war in Afghanistan and returning in a casket. It could be disambiguated differently I guess, but WP:DONTFIXIT. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 13:55, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Speedily withdrawn by nominator (me). I was not sure about this one, thanks for the expertise. Although I am a bit of an apathist one thing I do every year is to go to a Remberance Day service wherever I live, because there but for the Grace of God go I. Si Trew (talk) 19:37, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
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The Orrmulum
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 * The result of the discussion was withdrawn by nominator. (non-admin closure) -- Tavix ( talk ) 19:56, 12 May 2016 (UTC)


 * The Orrmulum → Ormulum (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Orrmulum&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-11&end=2016-05-10&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=The_Orrmulum stats])     [ Closure:  ]

(neelix redirect) Not sure on this one. It's in the lede with the "the" but not sure. Maybe but we don't tend to start articles or redirects with "the". Si Trew (talk) 02:01, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep per WP:CHEAP - we don't need not to do it either. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 20:42, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * 'Speedily withdrawn by nom (me) WP:RFD if someone finds it useful I have no problem with it. Si Trew (talk) 09:16, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
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Paradox of time
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 20:05, 19 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Paradox of time → Temporal paradox (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Paradox_of_time&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-11&end=2016-05-10&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Paradox_of_time stats])     [ Closure:  ]

I am not sure on this one I have speedily kept and rcatted some for Temporal Paradoxes and such, but since this is such a kinda general term mentioned by Stephen Hawking and indeed Douglas Adams ("Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so" as Ford Prefect said) I wonder if this makes sense Si Trew (talk) 01:56, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete its grandfather - a temporal paradox is a logical inconsistency evident in our linear perception of time, but "paradox of time" refers generally to the idea that time is not linear in the first place. The concept is well outside my realm of understanding, but these are different things. There might be a better target but I don't know what it is. (There are also other kinds of paradox which could be a paradox of time, in the temporal paradox sense). Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 20:54, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Well really it is down to that annoying bugger Albert Einstein connecting time and space together in the General Theory of Relativity. But there is no paradox. The Arrow of Time (1927) explains why we cannot see things going in both directions even though this seems to be the case at the physical level, Hawking has a chapter on it in A Brief History of Time, why do we always see time going forwards when just from a mathematical/scientific point of view it could go backwards? But that is related to the concept of entropy and is just the way that we as human beings (and most other things on this planet) seem to feel about how time goes in one direction. So I think this is a bit nonsense to suggest time is a paradox. This is why it is called the Big Bang Theory it was called that as a kinda joke by a very famous and notable astronomer/phzsicist but was meant to suggest that you don't start the universe with a big bang and end it with a Big Crunch it could just as easily be the other way around. Mind you Big Crunch does sound like it should be the name of a breakfast cereal. Si Trew (talk) 07:06, 12 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete - There are multiple paradoxes related to time and how regular people think of time, much as how there's similar multiple paradoxes related to God, to love, and other unhappily vague and difficult concepts. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 06:33, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
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<span id="Sun Hill, Hungary">Sun Hill, Hungary
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 * The result of the discussion was speedy deleted by RHaworth. JohnCD (talk) 08:45, 19 May 2016 (UTC)


 * <span id="Sun Hill, Hungary">Sun Hill, Hungary → Naphegy (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sun_Hill,_Hungary&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-11&end=2016-05-10&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Sun_Hill,_Hungary stats])     [ Closure:  ]

No you can't do this (Neelix redirect). Náp in Hungarian means sun also just day (hólnap is tomorrow and tégnap is yesterday) and hegy means a hill but you can't back translate like that. Neelix seems not to know Hungarian but I use it daily, not well, but I can tell you for sure that this is nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 01:21, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * The CSD was reverted by User:Liz probably because I didn't explain myself very well. I try to explain/translate better. Nap is day or sun (and midday is for example dél is south or midday, like Deli palyaudvar, Hungarian works like that), hegy is hill, so this makes sense in Hungarian as a back formation but does not make any sense in English, you can't just take a Hungarian name and stick it through Google Translate or what have you and think that is what it would be called in English. There are plenty-o-places called Sun Hill in English. It would be like trying to take Szölosnyáralő and make it to mean "peaceful vineyard", you just can't do that. (I checked and Google Translate doesn't know it. Szölos means peaceful restful and nyáralő means vineyard or grape growing place. Now if Google Translate don't know that but I know that cos my family csalad house is there, what hope is there for English-speaking people? Si Trew (talk) 10:41, 11 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Comment in fact at the target in the lede the etymology is nem magyar hanem nemetul "Sonnenberg, meaning "Sun Hill" so this is really rather going around the houses. I can stick in the Hungarian etymology if you want but I think that this redirect is a bit nonsense. Si Trew (talk) 10:59, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I boldly replaced the German etymology with the Hungarian one. It still will not make sense in English. Si Trew (talk) 13:31, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * When I was on the blower to the missus early this evening I asked her, she is a native Hungarian speaker. She agrees that it is pretty nonsense in English. She knows where it is as indeed do I but this is kinda a screwy back formation. I was not trying to influence her, quite the contrary, if we translate together I deliberately avoid saying the words so that she can say oh it is this or that. She says it is nonsense. User:Monkap who does not edit at Wikipedia now after being told off too many times by the illuminati at Hungarian Wikipedia. Only time I have ever seen her cry was when she did I think Queen Anne over at HU.WP. In Hungary it is not what you know it is what papers you have to say you know. In England it is the other way around, nobody gives a shit about whether you have a degree but whether you can do the job. For the record, I prefer the English way. (I have more letters after my name than I have in it, but I have the advantage of having a short name). Si Trew (talk) MVP MBCS BSc(Hons) 19:42, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Speedily delete. If anyone lives closer to Naphegy in Buda (I live about 7 km from there) then they can have an opinion but they are wrong. I am one of the few editors who can talk both Hungarian and English badly and I think my judgment call should be just taken as read. Si Trew (talk) 09:12, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Okay I think untwisting these now that Sun Hill, Hungary and Sun Hill (Hungary) have gone we can tackle Sun Hill, Israel which I listed at RfD. I think with the Hungarian ones out of the way now someone Israeli or knowing Hebrew can have a better idea without that confusion. Thanks to admin User:RHaworth for doing it. Si Trew (talk) 19:20, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
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Roy Chester Race
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 13:24, 20 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Roy Chester Race → Roy Race (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Roy_Chester_Race&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-11&end=2016-05-10&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Roy_Chester_Race stats])     [ Closure:  ]

I am pretty sure this is Neelix nonsense. At the Roodee in Chester, one of the two racecourses in England that go widdershins that would make sense, but there is no mention of Chester at the target. I Think this is nonsense but not 100 percent sure. Si Trew (talk) 01:17, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - I'm not familiar with the comic series, but from my searching it looks like both Roy Race and Roy Race Jr., the father and son fictional characters, were never referred to as "Chester". I've got no idea where this stuff comes from. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 23:32, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
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Aprill
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 * The result of the discussion was delete. JohnCD (talk) 16:15, 18 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Aprill → April (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Aprill&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-11&end=2016-05-10&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Aprill stats])     [ Closure:  ]

(neelix redirect) This is an really and should be tagged as such but I am not sure that this is a likely mispelling, may hinder search. Si Trew (talk) 01:05, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - This appears to be a real first name and last name of many people, some of which may even be notable (no idea for sure offhand). Even if this could be a valid redirect as a simple misspelling, I'm wary about keeping it since it would hinder possible page creation in terms of said real people. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 01:14, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:REDLINK as CoffeeWithMarkets said. Si Trew (talk) 10:50, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. There is a Bryn Apprill but no notable people with this particular spelling variant. <strong style="color:#606060;">AngusWOOF ( bark  •  sniff ) 16:04, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - again, a plausible misspelling is one that is likely to be typed, like color or honor or aluminium. This has had two hits in the last 30 days. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 20:44, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Actually aluminium is not the right spelling for the element, IUPAC decided that aluminum was the right way to spell that, so the British have been spelling it wrong for several years. But they also decided that Sulphur was the right way to spell that so y'all on the other side of the pond are getting that one wrong. (I know this as i worked with molecular modelling for seven years, sometimes I have a brain in my head). Si Trew (talk) 18:24, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
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<span id="Yusufzai (Pashtun tribe)">Yusufzai (Pashtun tribe)
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 * The result of the discussion was keep. --BDD (talk) 16:26, 23 May 2016 (UTC)


 * <span id="Yusufzai (Pashtun tribe)">Yusufzai (Pashtun tribe) → Yusufzai (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yusufzai_(Pashtun_tribe)&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-11&end=2016-05-10&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Yusufzai_(Pashtun_tribe) stats])     [ Closure:  ]

It is pobably but not 100 percent sure. About 99 percenmt sure.(Neelix redirect) Si Trew (talk) 01:03, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete for that reason. Yusufzai (disambiguation) does not need it because the tribe is the primary topic. Legacypac (talk) 16:00, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Keeeeep - 700 hits in the last 30 days, somewhere around 23/day. Wrong though it may be, people are using this. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 20:48, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Speedily withdrawn by nominator. If it gets that many hits then it is obviously useful. WP:RFD. Si Trew (talk) 18:26, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Hahaha User:Ivanvector when me hand gets better I have to fix this little comptometer I picked up off the street then I will tell you what the frac is, it only goes to fourteen decimal places so please excuse any error in the frac beyond that. It's a beautiful thing just needs a bit of three-in-one oil on it and some well careful sorting. It will be brilliant. It's nearly better plenty of cold cream and typing on Wikipedia so that I exercise my right hand. Si Trew (talk) 18:29, 12 May 2016 (UTC)


 * User:Ivanvector I was on a page the other day Abakhel (Pashtun tribe) which might explain the odd popularity of the search term Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:39, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
 * no, I don't think so, all of the links on that page are piped through other redirects. There are a number of mainspace links to this redirect, though. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 14:59, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry User:Ivanvector I wasn't clear. I meant that because there is a page "xxxx (Pashtun tribe)", then a user (like me) searching for another page  "yyyy (Pashtun tribe)" would be quite logical, that's all.  Have a nice day Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 07:29, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
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Miss Universe Malta
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 * The result of the discussion was delete and fix, as specified by Legacypac. Good spotting of the article's hijacking. --BDD (talk) 15:59, 23 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Miss Universe Malta → Miss Malta (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Miss_Universe_Malta&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-11&end=2016-05-10&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Miss_Universe_Malta stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Misleading redirect. Miss Universe Malta, which was just deleted at Articles for deletion/Miss Universe Malta, is not related to the Miss Malta pageant. • Gene93k (talk) 00:34, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. Patently Miss Malta can't be the queen of the Universe. Si Trew (talk) 01:06, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep. If you visit the article, you'll see that Miss Universe Malta is an alternative title for Miss Malta. This is another valid redirect. Liz  <sup style="font-family:Times New Roman;"><b style="color:#006400;">Read!</b> <b style="color:#006400;">Talk!</b> 18:25, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * 'Delete and fix the article by restoring it to this version just before the creator of this redirect tried to promote Miss Universe Malta by taking over the article, likely because the Miss Universe Malta page was just deleted.  Two people left Miss Malta and set up Miss Universe Malta. If someone leaves business X and starts business Y they don't get to take over business X's wikipedia page. Legacypac (talk) 21:30, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
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Cebuan language
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 * The result of the discussion was keep. JohnCD (talk) 08:49, 19 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Cebuan language → Cebuano language (links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cebuan_language&action=history history] · [//tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews#start=2016-04-11&end=2016-05-10&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Cebuan_language stats])     [ Closure:  ]

Delete, not an alternate name nor a searchable keyword.. Carl Francis (talk) 10:54, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep for now and tag R from incorrect name - there are incoming links and stats are pretty high. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 20:47, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep as suggested. It's not common but does occasionally pop up in the literature. Uanfala (talk) 11:42, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
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